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So if I loved SF4, but haven't picked up SSF4, then SSF4:AE is a good buy? Also, damnit Capcom, you did it again, you've almost become a parody of yourself with the way you name things.
Serious/competitive players will consider this mandatory. Casual/occasional players might not bother. About what anybody would have expected.
This was kind of a crappy review. Can we get someone who actually plays fighting games somewhat seriously to get a second opinion?
dude, this review was fine. i loves me some SSF4 so of course this is mandatory for me. if you want a serious review, go to srk. sheesh.
Simple solution for the "two versions" issue:
Release a free patch to add the balancing changes to SSFIV. Then, the two can easily be played together online minus the new characters.
This "choose your version" bullshit is stupid beyond belief.
And this review is perfectly fine. I play fighting games a ton and I really don't WANT to buy this upgrade since the new characters are stupid and uninspired choices that don't add ANYTHING to the game as a whole, but I'm going to have to if I want to stay competitive.
Really though, there's hardly any incentive here for me since my favorite characters have been nerfed as well. I might have to spend $15 just to get my ass kicked more frequently.
Release a free patch to add the balancing changes to SSFIV. Then, the two can easily be played together online minus the new characters.
This "choose your version" bullshit is stupid beyond belief.
And this review is perfectly fine. I play fighting games a ton and I really don't WANT to buy this upgrade since the new characters are stupid and uninspired choices that don't add ANYTHING to the game as a whole, but I'm going to have to if I want to stay competitive.
Really though, there's hardly any incentive here for me since my favorite characters have been nerfed as well. I might have to spend $15 just to get my ass kicked more frequently.
"Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition, as a stand-alone $40 product, is a raw deal if you already own Super Street Fighter 4."
Why on earth would anyone even consider buying AE retail if they already own SSFIV? Not even worth mentioning this.
Why on earth would anyone even consider buying AE retail if they already own SSFIV? Not even worth mentioning this.
Actually the review is not fine. It has grammar issues in the first two paragraphs and what the hell is a vector?
You talking about Vector graphics display or what? It's like the first time I've ever heard the term in any street fighter post.
As for the review score, that's fine.
You talking about Vector graphics display or what? It's like the first time I've ever heard the term in any street fighter post.
As for the review score, that's fine.
Capcom calls SSF4 players without the DLC but have the update "vectors." Take it up with them instead of being silly with me.
i missed on SF4 all together so i will be picking boxed version of Arcade Edition. i have one question are there any unlockables in SSF4/Arcade Edition. i don't care about online(frankly i'm casual fighting games fan so i usually mash the buttons) so what's the replay value there for singleplayer gamer?
Wait, I thought Brad wrote for Giant Bomb now? They needed a contractor for this review?
Anycase, nice to see Brad again.
Anycase, nice to see Brad again.
Eh. I play little enough that going from regular to super was barely worth it. I'm not dumping another $15 into this. Doesn't help that this reaks of Capcom's old SFII antics, a lot more so than Super did. I'll stick with super, or just sell it off if everyone insists on playing AE.
@mowdownjoe like Jim Brad writes for several sites. Tbh I don't even see his name on gb much since they hired Patrick Klepick.
@mowdownjoe like Jim Brad writes for several sites. Tbh I don't even see his name on gb much since they hired Patrick Klepick.
ARCADE EDITION DLC DOES NOT WORK WITH THE GAMES ON DEMAND VERSION!!!!!!! IT SAYS CONTENT CORRUPTED AND DOES NOT SHOW UP IN GAME!!!!! CAN SOMEONE GET IN CONTACT WITH MS OR CAPCOM SO WE CAN GET THE PROBLEM FIXED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the first time I have ever heard of Yun and Yang referred to as bland. Eh,I had already decided to get AE. I can't say I agree with Brad on most of his review. However, this is definitely not for the casual fighter. If that's who you are, you'll probably just want to download the patch for SSF4 that allows you to play against owner of Arcade Edition online.
Biased review is biased. Good lord Dtoid, can we actually get someone who takes fighting games seriously to write the review? None of this 'bland characters' or 'HURR DURR WHY GAMEPLAY NO LOOK LIKE CUTSCENES' shit.
This is really one of those releases that is tricky to hang a review score on. Its pretty much mandatory if you play Super on a regular basis and are currently tearing your hair out about how low priority Makoto's moves are or frustrated by the speed of Ken's crouching medium punch. If you don't play SF all that much, I can't think of a single reason to buy it. Oni and Emo Ryu are not that exicting and Yun and Yang are almost embarrassingly out of date relics from the mid-90's "attitude sells" era.
I'll pick it up. I'm not a particularly advanced fighter but I like to try and keep up on this stuff. I keep meaning to try out Dtoid Fights, hopefully the release of AE spurs some movement there.
I'll pick it up. I'm not a particularly advanced fighter but I like to try and keep up on this stuff. I keep meaning to try out Dtoid Fights, hopefully the release of AE spurs some movement there.
does anyone know what kinda changes this makes to the game's balance?
i hear that a lot of current characters are nerfed, while the new ones are really over-powered.
i hear that a lot of current characters are nerfed, while the new ones are really over-powered.
yeah the new DLC is lacking, don't blame them though. they should have released it a long time ago.
now it's been overshadow by other fighting games like SF X Tekken. KOF XIII, Soul Calibur V and more :P
now it's been overshadow by other fighting games like SF X Tekken. KOF XIII, Soul Calibur V and more :P
I never bought SSF4 and I'd love to get it for PC, so I think I'm sold on this. As for DLC, though, I'd never pay for it. My friend got me the game as a birthday gift and I can't even say I want these characters. Yun and Yang belong in Third Strike, which is a far superior game.
If you're the kind of person who's been playing this for the past year, then you're good on picking this up, as every character has seen some form of changes. It's a nice little shakeup, but bittersweet as your favorite character has more than likely taken a kick to the nuts in favor of Yun and Yang (unless you play Fei Long).
Do I think they could have done more with this? Hell, yes. No trials or training modes for the new characters sucks. It just outright screams laziness. Also, a proper tutorial for any Street Fighter game, as cool as it would be, will never be made. Capcom wants you to decipher their games, not learn them, and this will end up hurting not only them, but the fighting game scene in the long run.
Do I think they could have done more with this? Hell, yes. No trials or training modes for the new characters sucks. It just outright screams laziness. Also, a proper tutorial for any Street Fighter game, as cool as it would be, will never be made. Capcom wants you to decipher their games, not learn them, and this will end up hurting not only them, but the fighting game scene in the long run.
I also think that they could have add a serch option for specific charakters for the replay channel. I play Honda as main, and when I want to see replays of him I need to go to the classic channel where I can see 90% Ryu games..not cool.
Street Fighter already has a tutorial, it's called an instruction manual and it'a actually really useful because you can refer to it while you're playing any mode, and you can even use it when the console isn't even on!
Why are people so pissed about this review? Why do people want someone who knows shit about fighting games to review this? Those people already know why AE is good and will buy it regardless. But a lot of people out there are just like Brad, and don't really see the point. This review is for them.
EHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh brad as much as I love you, I found this review lacking in knowledge.
That beings aid anybody still playing probably already intends to pick up AE anyway.
@oberoi
The problem is that in other reviews on Destructoid, they'll give people who like/know/enjoy specific games the reviews. Take Jim for example, any time there's a dynasty warriors or Aliens game, he gets the review. Whenever there's a sports game, Samit gets the review. When Topher still worked here he'd do shmups, etc etc etc.
The problem here is that this review comes from someone who isn't serious about fighters, something that isn't immediately apparent. I don't think it matters too much in *this* case since serious players already know if they want this or not.
That beings aid anybody still playing probably already intends to pick up AE anyway.
@oberoi
The problem is that in other reviews on Destructoid, they'll give people who like/know/enjoy specific games the reviews. Take Jim for example, any time there's a dynasty warriors or Aliens game, he gets the review. Whenever there's a sports game, Samit gets the review. When Topher still worked here he'd do shmups, etc etc etc.
The problem here is that this review comes from someone who isn't serious about fighters, something that isn't immediately apparent. I don't think it matters too much in *this* case since serious players already know if they want this or not.
Holy crap I just found out about this review and I too am ashamed that Destructoid would allow this lack of quality in one of their reviews.
Total and utter garbage.
Total and utter garbage.
@Everyday Legend
3so seems to have a pretty comprehensive training mode... and sf4 has trials. it is pretty lazy to not add some in for the 4 new guys, and maybe update the trials for previous dudes.
3so seems to have a pretty comprehensive training mode... and sf4 has trials. it is pretty lazy to not add some in for the 4 new guys, and maybe update the trials for previous dudes.
Yeah..methinks this is a bit of a misstep.
He's clearly not interested on the level one would be to download/purchase the AE update early in the first place, and if he isn't, what's the point of this review?
It just comes off disinterested at best, and apathetic at worst. Anyone saying "Serious gamers already know" is just giving him an excuse for this, because really, you can apply that reasoning to fans of any genre of any game reviewed on this site and they all showed off a better level of detail and passion than this blurb did.
In fact, all the previews leading up to this "review" were more comprehensive and enjoyable reads than this. Bad form.
He's clearly not interested on the level one would be to download/purchase the AE update early in the first place, and if he isn't, what's the point of this review?
It just comes off disinterested at best, and apathetic at worst. Anyone saying "Serious gamers already know" is just giving him an excuse for this, because really, you can apply that reasoning to fans of any genre of any game reviewed on this site and they all showed off a better level of detail and passion than this blurb did.
In fact, all the previews leading up to this "review" were more comprehensive and enjoyable reads than this. Bad form.
@EL Mostly everyone that was weak in SSF4 was buffed. The strongest in SSF4 were only hit with the nerf stick ever so slightly. The top 4 are Yun, Fei Long, Yang, and Gief. In that order. But this will change once we play this for a couple weeks. I already have anti-yun technology with Evil Ryu!
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Brad shouldn't be asked to give a positive review just because people learned the differences between the twin, he's right, for the average person it's gonna look like a hack job.
This is coming from a forumite that plays AE almost religiously at this point. I love it. Guy is better know, Evil Ryu is mad fun, and now Guile isn't retarded anymore. But I can't recommend spending 15 dollars for a couple tweaks that wont really change the way a casual will play, and 4 characters that literally look the same in pairs.
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Brad shouldn't be asked to give a positive review just because people learned the differences between the twin, he's right, for the average person it's gonna look like a hack job.
This is coming from a forumite that plays AE almost religiously at this point. I love it. Guy is better know, Evil Ryu is mad fun, and now Guile isn't retarded anymore. But I can't recommend spending 15 dollars for a couple tweaks that wont really change the way a casual will play, and 4 characters that literally look the same in pairs.
I paid the $15 dollar tag on the first day and I don't regret. I play competitve.
This is a must for anyone that does play competitive.
Now for people that doesn't, this is an unecessary DLC.
For the characthers, 2 more shotos aren't a big addition to the roster.
But Yun and Yang carry their own style of fight. They are good additions to the roster.
This is a must for anyone that does play competitive.
Now for people that doesn't, this is an unecessary DLC.
For the characthers, 2 more shotos aren't a big addition to the roster.
But Yun and Yang carry their own style of fight. They are good additions to the roster.
WOW. Are all fans of SF games this easily hurt by a reviewers lack of in-depth giving a shit about a fighting game? If you are that hardcore about SSF4 then you will buy this anyway so I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Look guys. If you play ssf4 competitively you have to buy this because all tournaments are going to switch to it. That fact has nothing to do with how good/bad the game is. Most pros are disappointed with the balance changes because the twins overshadow the rest of the characters. That fact has nothing to do with the average gamer who doesn't play fighting games because they won't progress will with the evolution of the game anyway. Albeit this review didn't say much, its more garnered towards the general public, which is the point. I really think fighting games should be separated from that and have sort of two different reviews. General consumer, and fighting game enthusiast who actually is a part of the scene and knowledgeable (not just someone who likes playing fighting games).
This should have really been review by someone decently skilled at the game.
This addon is honestly AMAZING, and worth every penny. A complete (and in some cases needed) rebalance of the cast and 4 new, completely realized character and some additional online features for only $15? Excellent value.
This update has dynamically changed the game overall, the overly defensive matches are gone in favor or raw offensive matches. Sure, you can still pick Guile and turtle it up, but it's not nearly as effective, let alone if you're fighting a character like Yun or Yang.
And to say the disc release is a joke is foolish, considering who it's intended for. That being people who don't own SSFIV. SSFIV is $40 alone, buy the disc release of AE and you get all of that plus the extra $15 of content basically for free.
As has been said in other comments, this review is kind of a joke.
This addon is honestly AMAZING, and worth every penny. A complete (and in some cases needed) rebalance of the cast and 4 new, completely realized character and some additional online features for only $15? Excellent value.
This update has dynamically changed the game overall, the overly defensive matches are gone in favor or raw offensive matches. Sure, you can still pick Guile and turtle it up, but it's not nearly as effective, let alone if you're fighting a character like Yun or Yang.
And to say the disc release is a joke is foolish, considering who it's intended for. That being people who don't own SSFIV. SSFIV is $40 alone, buy the disc release of AE and you get all of that plus the extra $15 of content basically for free.
As has been said in other comments, this review is kind of a joke.
very disappointed in this article, the netcode has been drastically improved let me help you out there .. NETCODE, saying yun and yang look the same well um no shit they're brothers and i will simply ignore your racism. i laughed at your descriptions of evil ryu and oni. this is ryu taken over by the dark hadou hes not a hacked version he was in street fighter alpha, i can only imagine what youll say if they add violent ken to the roster, and to say oni is a blend of akuma and gouken another lol over i do not see gouken in that picture if you had said "oni so dramatically stale and pale is capcoms pathetic excuse to come out with a lackluster over the top but no filling video game character in this day and ages medium is nothing more that akuma mixed with blanka" that right there would have been a more exceptional sentence over your own emo gobbledy goop, sorry you weren't assigned an indie game. idk you seem to make a big deal out of the little things they added and if you don't understand the specific things that make fighting games work well then your kinda lost . like when you review starcraft 2:heart of the swarm don't make it such a big deal that the mouse has 2 buttons and that each button has a specific command. thanks brad
this is a good review for anyone who isn't serious enough about Super to buy this immediately, and that's exactly for whom it was written.
its really nice to see brad back on destructoid.
its really nice to see brad back on destructoid.
JOURNALISM!!!!!!
You sir are a top notch reporter I say!
All sarcasm aside, the real point of AE was balance, of which a great deal was applied, you numpty.
You sir are a top notch reporter I say!
All sarcasm aside, the real point of AE was balance, of which a great deal was applied, you numpty.
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