Personally, I enjoyed Risen more than I enjoyed other recent RPGs with bigger names. I highly recommend it to anyone with an interest in RPGs and a decent PC.
I wish more RPGs had a game world as interesting as Risen does.
But, I'd imagine you would want to mention in there somewhere how horrible this version is compared to other versions that are on the market, right? So that way people can make informed decisions about which would be the wisest for them to purchase.
As others have said, the PC game is well deserving of anyone's time who might be interested, especially if you enjoyed Gothic or past Elder Scrolls titles with less hand-holding (such as Morrwind).
Also how sad that beyond port issues, the author seems to want Risen to be a game it is not, a more casual mainstream game.
This review is pointless and absurd, if you ask me, a fan of PC RPGs. Even Game Informer gave the damn thing an 8.5.
Oh well, it's not like I come here for the great reviews anyway.
Back to Mass Effect then.
@RenagadePanda
AMEN BROTHA!!!!
Still, I'd of recomended the PC one too, if only for the fact that the annoying bits can be modded out.
As a side note, that article about cocaine and GTA IV is fascinating.
@ RenegadePanda: Agreed, 100%
You really think you need to update your computer every other year in order to play a game like Risen. That's the first reason you sound like an idiot.
Secondly, it's not "elitest" when one version is clearly better then another version. Just because you can't play it doesn't mean other people don't want to know what their choices are.
I mean jesus christ, every time somebody mentions something that you may not personally partake in do you fucking shout at them for bringing it up? I bet you're a riot to hang out with.
So you want them to ignore the shitty port? People who can only have a console might see this game and think "oh this looks fun", hey thats only what 60 dollars wasted. Just because you personally don't play the console doesn't mean you should shout at them for bringing up this versions clear problems.
Wanting a game with combat that isn't a piece of shit isn't "casual," it's "not being stupid."
congratulations on finally finishing the review of this game
now hopefully you dont have to play it ever again
I'm presuming Orcist reviewed this version because that is what he acquired. To demand he review every version their is is rather demanding, sheesh.
@ Orcist
If you're not put off this game I recommend playing the PC version.
Thats an awful statement. Game Informer's rating floor ends at 8.5.
Interesting, I guess if I said The Orange Box is better on Xbox than EA's port for PS3 it would make me a 360 fanboy? Get real.
Shit, shut the hell up and read and enjoy the review.
And for the record, the PC version is better, but the game is still terribly mediocre. Sorry.
I certainly hope those aren't words you're putting in my mouth, since I never said anything remotely resembling that.
And for the record, the PC version is better, but the game is still terribly mediocre. Sorry.
Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more. Opinions are fun.
A few things.
1) PC games and good ports of PC games are NOT mutually exclusive. There are plenty of good PC-->console ports that play just fine.
2) You do NOT - repeat - DO NOT need to update your PC "every year". That's an old wives tale. I made a pretty rockin' machine for around $700 (a little more than a launch console), and I haven't had to update it yet at all - I can still run the latest games.
In fact, PCs have plateaued to the point where your upgrades are actually LESS money than the startup costs of a NEW console (ie the Xbox 720/Natal, or PS4/Move, or buying four motion plus accessories for your Wii).
Joseph Leray is one of the most stand up guys you can find on the entire internet - his review was honest, and I think he easily explained why the game was bad on it's own merits.
@Renegade
I could say the exact same thing about consoles.
I really wish specific console elitists would shut up once and awhile. I don't want to have to buy all three consoles, I never will, I don't have the money or motivation to have to buy Motion Plus or the billions of other accessories I will eventually need, and keep it updated every other year with current technology. I play on PC; I'm not 'choosing the wrong version', I'm playing it on what I have available.
I love you, but your comment made absolutely no sense at all.
I would argue for a game like Dragon Age, a game that has it's roots as a PC game, a game that Bioware said straight up "is meant for the PC", should be reviewed on both platforms. It just makes sense.
But Risen? It's not like people knew the port was going to be bad. And Destructoid doesn't really have that many PC reviewers outside of Aaron Linde [and now Jim to an extent]. They can't force people to get a good computer if they're just contributing for no pay - eventually they will have more PC reviews, but there's no use crying over spilled milk.
Well I never said "port issues aside" so let me clarify.
The amazing PC version never got a review from this site. Now you review the Xbox version and do not mention the superior PC version within the review at all, you just dog the game with no context. If people are reading this review to see if Risen is worth playing, which one assumes is the reason, then you gave them half the information and focused on the negative side.
Now you might say "well I only had the Xbox version" but as a reader I don't give two shits about that, I just don't. If the site wants to be a source for gaming reviews we can trust, the site should cover the game entirely and discuss why one might be missing out on an amazing RPG experience on the other platform.
More to the point, a game should be reviewed at least on the platform it is meant to be played on. I did not cause a stir over the Modern Warfare 2 review focusing on Xbox because that was the main platform, I am playing a port, but for the rare games that are meant for PC now-a-days, Dragon Age, Left 4 Dead, Risen, what-have-you, it makes sense to review them on the intended platform, which Destructoid does not do, you ALWAYS review on the Xbox with amazingly rare exception.
I give you credit for only listing Xbox in the review info though, hopefully metacritic will not apply this score to the PC version. Most reviews here only play the Xbox version and then apply the score to all three, which annoys me to no end.
Piranha Bytes outsourced the 360 port to a different company. This, combined with their extensive experience developing the Gothic games exclusively for PC, would tend to indicate a pretty strong preference for PC.
Don't take my word for it, here's a relevant post from PB's Art Director.
but there's no use crying over spilled milk.
This is very true.
I'm really tired of console-only gamers calling anyone who points out the benefits of a gaming PC as an elitist. Would I be an elitist if I said a Ferrari is a better car than a Honda? Would I be an elitist if I said a mansion on the beach is a better place to live than a one bedroom apartment in the ghetto?
No, I would not.
PC versions of games are better on all technical and gameplay levels, there is no denying this. Sure, we get a rare broken port like Double Agent, but 95% of the time the PC version is superior, even in the case of a straight-up console port. Now, knowing all this you can still choose to game on consoles for ease of use, lower price or more exclusives if you like, that's your decision, but that does not mean PC versions aren't superior, they are, and that does not mean console exclusives like Killzone 2 wouldn't be better on PC, because they would be.
Think of it this way: if Risen were a PS3 game and it was awesome on the PS3, then it was ported to the Xbox and was broken and crappy, would one be a PS3 elitist for saying so? I think not.
You guys need to get over this "PC elitist" thing because you sound ignorant and defensive all the time.
Why should I as a reader care about which version you got for free to review? Why does that matter to the integrity of the review one bit?
The reader does not care what you were provided or prefer to play on, the reader only cares about getting an accurate and encompassing review that covers the game.
I shouldn't focus on the port issues entirely though, as a lot of review is more about how you want the game to be more like Oblivion, which I just disagree with on a completely "port issues aside" level, to quote you from earlier. Some people want a more engaging and deep experience and some don't, and you can clearly see that when the game gets high scores some places and low scores in others. The deeper games are always divisive in review scores.
I remember when Morrowind came out I read an Xbox review for it on IGN that basically said "wow, this is a deep PC game and has no place on consoles." I wept that day (not really of course, but inside sort of, over the future of gaming I knew would be more mainstreamed).
Gee, and I always thought that an emphasis on material capital and an unexamined privileging of wealth-restrictive technologies made one a consumer elitist. I suppose I've been wrong this whole time!
If you're suggesting that I want the game to tell me exactly what to do and where to go at all times -- you're wrong. I said multiple times that I enjoyed exploring the island. But I also said that the game's broken combat kept me from doing so. One busted part of the game kept me from experiencing a far better part of the game. I literally don't know how else to say it.
And maybe the PC combat is better, or maybe it's inherently fucked up -- I don't know. But I do know that, playing Risen on the Xbox 360, the combat is detrimental to the game as a whole. I didn't review Risen on the PC, I reviewed it on the Xbox 360, and I reviewed it accordingly. I really don't know what you want from me, here.
I said at the end of the game that I was going to keep playing it. I said that there was a lot of the game that I liked -- I like the character interaction, the exploration, and the crafting mechanics. But when the combat gets in the way of those things -- even if it's because Risen 360 is a shoddy port -- I can't just ignore it because other parts of the game are good.
The Xbox version is of interest to Xbox gamers. He reviewed the Xbox version. If he reviewed the PC version, Xbox owners would not give a shit about it. It's pretty conceited to think that this review ought to cater for you, a non-360 gamer.
Given that there is such a difference between the PC version and the port, do you not think they should be reviewed separatly?
Thirdly, your defense of PC elitism is extremely arrogant and begs the question.
Fourthly, show some fucking respect.
If you disagree with the reasons backing up these perspectives, then discuss those specific reasons rather than just attacking the entire message due to a difference of opinion.
Sorry, but saying that we're stupid and buying the wrong version isn't pointing out the benefits, it's being an elitist dick. That's how PC players, from my experience, tend to be. Their arguments boil down to, 'This game is great on PC, and you're stupid if you play it elsewhere.' If the game was better on PS3, you'd only be an elitist/fanboy if you used the same argument. Pointing out that it's better on PC is fine, calling me ignorant and stupid because I choose to play on a console isn't.

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