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"The build that I tested runs for $2530."
As much as I would want that, a desktop version of this PC should be around 1,000 dollars less.
As much as I would want that, a desktop version of this PC should be around 1,000 dollars less.
Yeah, that laptop would be awesome to have.
But for that price, you could build the mightiest desktop you could ever need.
My "gaming" laptop cost $1000 and, while it's not amazing by any stretch, it can handle even modern games at decent settings, and the smaller screen of a laptop means you don't notice how crappy the graphics are ;P.
But for that price, you could build the mightiest desktop you could ever need.
My "gaming" laptop cost $1000 and, while it's not amazing by any stretch, it can handle even modern games at decent settings, and the smaller screen of a laptop means you don't notice how crappy the graphics are ;P.
I love the concept of laptops, but I gave that dream up along time ago. Desktops are where anyone who considers them self a PC gamer should be. Just built a new ivy bridge i5 system with a GTX 670, I'll be able to max out most games for the next 3 years.
I stand by laptops. I'm always on the move, and a desktop would be utterly impractical. I don't need to lug a giant monitor around with me everywhere, and I can carry my whole life in just a few bags.
Totally thought this was a review for a game called "Origin EON15-S" that could only be played on laptops. Need more coffees.
Destructoid really should have somebody who actually builds pc rigs and laptops review these items. Maybe Daniel does build stuff, but from the review he addresses things that seem kinda pointless to some one who knows computers.
What idiot would buy this thing? This laptop has 2 MASSIVE bottlenecks that basically bring this monster of a laptop to that of a regular $1200 laptop.
I take offense that they offer that kind of RAM with this laptop. So sad using 1333 speed, simply pathetic. Not to mention 8gb is pretty small for such an extreme price. It is equally depressing that they can't even throw in an SSD. 7200 RPM speed??? REALLY! Not even a 10,000 RPM Raptor drive? Such outdated technology. Since this is a laptop, you are stuck with that silly drive that moves like molasses. Just sucks. Nobody should buy this, giving the company a message to please build a legit gaming laptop if you want people to spend $2300.
What idiot would buy this thing? This laptop has 2 MASSIVE bottlenecks that basically bring this monster of a laptop to that of a regular $1200 laptop.
I take offense that they offer that kind of RAM with this laptop. So sad using 1333 speed, simply pathetic. Not to mention 8gb is pretty small for such an extreme price. It is equally depressing that they can't even throw in an SSD. 7200 RPM speed??? REALLY! Not even a 10,000 RPM Raptor drive? Such outdated technology. Since this is a laptop, you are stuck with that silly drive that moves like molasses. Just sucks. Nobody should buy this, giving the company a message to please build a legit gaming laptop if you want people to spend $2300.
Are you fucking kidding me? $2500?? I paid a thousand for a dell laptop with comparable specs, but better ram and ssd. People are fucking nuts to pay those prices for shit.
Maltman, I've been building PCs for over ten years. In a laptop, with the exception of the graphics card/proc./motherboard you are never "stuck" with anything. Additionally, in the case of Origin, they order their cases from a third party and assemble them, so I know for a fact that you can change out any component you want.
I've also never once encountered a laptop where the user couldn't replace the hard drive.
I've also never once encountered a laptop where the user couldn't replace the hard drive.
"with the exception of the graphics card/proc./motherboard you are never 'stuck' with anything"
Yeah, only with the core components that are most crucial to gaming performance. *head/desk*
Yeah, only with the core components that are most crucial to gaming performance. *head/desk*
@Jinx 01
Congratulations on successfully making a point nobody was arguing against in the first place. Bonus points for being smarmy about it. Jesus, I like that Destructoid is doing these PC articles sometimes nowadays but I can't fucking stand reading the comments and seeing this elitist bullshit mentality some people have.
Congratulations on successfully making a point nobody was arguing against in the first place. Bonus points for being smarmy about it. Jesus, I like that Destructoid is doing these PC articles sometimes nowadays but I can't fucking stand reading the comments and seeing this elitist bullshit mentality some people have.
@Daniel Starkey
"I stand by laptops. I'm always on the move, and a desktop would be utterly impractical. I don't need to lug a giant monitor around with me everywhere, and I can carry my whole life in just a few bags."
Are you gearing up for Judgment Day, or... ?
"I stand by laptops. I'm always on the move, and a desktop would be utterly impractical. I don't need to lug a giant monitor around with me everywhere, and I can carry my whole life in just a few bags."
Are you gearing up for Judgment Day, or... ?
$2500 is a bit high of an asking price, but as someone used to laptops lagging on Flash games and generally being testaments to human failings, it's tempting. Sound card is a bit of a deal breaker though - I'd mostly be using the machine to pump out tunes and paint bullcrap.
Nice review, though. Comments are pretty disheartening but watcha gonna do.
Nice review, though. Comments are pretty disheartening but watcha gonna do.
Vance- I just like the freedom to move anywhere I need to, when I need to. The less I can fit into a smaller space, the happier I am.
@Nightsama:
Smarmy is my specialty. But you're right, I did take his comment a bit out of context.
@Daniel:
Sorry if that came off harsh, and I see what you were saying now. The way it was worded I thought you were making a broader statement.
I have a kind of oddball sense of humor and sarcasm... sometimes it comes off too harsh online.
Smarmy is my specialty. But you're right, I did take his comment a bit out of context.
@Daniel:
Sorry if that came off harsh, and I see what you were saying now. The way it was worded I thought you were making a broader statement.
I have a kind of oddball sense of humor and sarcasm... sometimes it comes off too harsh online.
I'd rather stay desktop and enjoy, larger screen,more screens (3 because I like to work with 3 screens not eyefinity though) better performance and a lower price point, not to mention the fact that having an ssd and at least 3tb of storage is kind of impossible on a laptop.
@TehTonyM: I'm currently using an i7 Sandy Bridge Dell XPS laptop, which was about $1200 which I got in the past year. Since then, it's been repaired once, one key has snapped, it momentarily freezes up every time the processor changes speeds, the fan makes a racket, the screen picks up scratches from just sitting on my desk, and the case bends and the case bends and squeaks. Essentially, if you compare the two, you'd probably notice a difference in build quality. Plus, you're paying extra for it not to be manufactured in China.
wow, it ran portal 2 at a silky smooth framerate!? must be a top of the line laptop, thanks for putting it through its paces. also good to know that when you 'pushed the hardware a little harder' and played a blu ray, it could totally do that. crazy! who would have thought a $2500 dollar computer could just play a movie like that?!
wow, it ran portal 2 at a silky smooth framerate!? must be a top of the line laptop, thanks for putting it through its paces. also good to know that when you 'pushed the hardware a little harder' and played a blu ray, it could totally do that. crazy! who would have thought a $2500 dollar computer could just play a movie like that?!
The devil is in the detail. We really need those nice looking charts with frame rates, anti-aliasing, screen resolutions, temperatures, and maybe even voltages before we can say something other than "yeah I'm sure that would please an XBox gamer."
I don't think you really maxed out Skyrim and played it at a silky smooth sixty frames.
And even if you did, even if a $2500 laptop really does deliver, one.has to wonder how long it would last under that load. If you burn out a power supply on a custom tower it is no problem to replace it. Not so on a laptop.
I don't think you really maxed out Skyrim and played it at a silky smooth sixty frames.
And even if you did, even if a $2500 laptop really does deliver, one.has to wonder how long it would last under that load. If you burn out a power supply on a custom tower it is no problem to replace it. Not so on a laptop.
(...the power supply probably wasn't the best example of a failed component because the act of replacing it it much easier on the laptop if you have it--just that finding the right one is harder. I mean if laptops are moving in the direction of standardized power supplies then ok, but this one does not sound standardized.)
I love laptops. They are great for being mugged, they allow me to get robbed on trains and buses, and most importantly, they will get me killed the minute I take them out of my backpack.
I just love paraphrasing.
I just love paraphrasing.
I feel you on the laptop thing Starkey. I've actually went with gaming laptops for the entirety of my PC gaming existence, up until now. I have an Asus G73 laptop currently, and it is definitely FAR easier to carry around to my friend's houses for LAN outings and whatnot, but I just recently (as in yesterday) finished assembling my own desktop setup. And as much as I love having a laptop and being able to take some of my favorite Steam games out the door with me and play them perfectly, I've recently discovered the joy of being able to run any game I want on max settings and I gotta tell ya, it is simply marvelous.
Long story short though, even though I've finally managed to 'see the light' as far as desktops are concerned, I completely agree with you on the laptop front.
Long story short though, even though I've finally managed to 'see the light' as far as desktops are concerned, I completely agree with you on the laptop front.
Fearzone, did you not read the part about furmark? That pushes the hardware much harder than any game yet released specifically because it is DESIGNED to pull way more power than the computer was originally meant to handle. Even then, it ran fine for quite a long time, settling at a stable temp.
Also, those graphs really are irrelevant, at 16x AA, 16x Anisotropic filtering, max textures, shadows, vsync, etc. It held at 60. That's the graph. A straight line.
Also, those graphs really are irrelevant, at 16x AA, 16x Anisotropic filtering, max textures, shadows, vsync, etc. It held at 60. That's the graph. A straight line.
As should be obvious, this is a troll account and normally I'd be a total asshole about this because I'm a pathetic loser who frequently has nothing better to do than acting like a retard in Destructoid comment threads. Given that several people have already made sarcastic asshole comments about your review, though, I feel a little bad. So instead I'm going to try to be constructive.
"Also, those graphs really are irrelevant, at 16x AA, 16x Anisotropic filtering, max textures, shadows, vsync, etc. It held at 60. That's the graph. A straight line."
You could not be more wrong about this, and to me it demonstrates that you don't really understand the point of a PC hardware review. When you spend $2,500 on a laptop, you want it to be future-proof. The fact that it can run current games at 60 FPS with vsync on gives zero indication of how well it will hold up two or three years down the line. (Hint: vsync caps the framerate.)
Your review is not terrible and you did a good job describing the physical and perceptual characteristics of the machine. However, you provided almost no actual *data* about the performance and how it compares to cheaper machines available from other manufacturers, which makes your recommendation suspect to say the least.
"Also, those graphs really are irrelevant, at 16x AA, 16x Anisotropic filtering, max textures, shadows, vsync, etc. It held at 60. That's the graph. A straight line."
You could not be more wrong about this, and to me it demonstrates that you don't really understand the point of a PC hardware review. When you spend $2,500 on a laptop, you want it to be future-proof. The fact that it can run current games at 60 FPS with vsync on gives zero indication of how well it will hold up two or three years down the line. (Hint: vsync caps the framerate.)
Your review is not terrible and you did a good job describing the physical and perceptual characteristics of the machine. However, you provided almost no actual *data* about the performance and how it compares to cheaper machines available from other manufacturers, which makes your recommendation suspect to say the least.
I find the claim that I "don't understand the point" is a bit arrogant on your part. You really don't know what I know, and to be fair, I don't know what you know.
People go into purchases with different expectations, wants and desires. Not everyone cares about something being future-proof. A lot of people do, but you're still making an assumption.
That said, we are paying attention to feedback and will try to respond to these in future review (and there's quite a few coming up soon). For my part, I will include more technical data, but try and keep the tone casual and pragmatic. We specifically tried to avoid using tons of numbers because we thought readers wouldn't care and wouldn't want them anyway.
People go into purchases with different expectations, wants and desires. Not everyone cares about something being future-proof. A lot of people do, but you're still making an assumption.
That said, we are paying attention to feedback and will try to respond to these in future review (and there's quite a few coming up soon). For my part, I will include more technical data, but try and keep the tone casual and pragmatic. We specifically tried to avoid using tons of numbers because we thought readers wouldn't care and wouldn't want them anyway.
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Hmm.. Some of these comments are a bit rough. I am a PC gamer, but not a "hard core" one like most people here perhaps. I've been gaming on laptops for about 10 years now, and have been fairly pleased overall. Like the OP, I personally find gaming on a laptop to be generally a better use case for me than gaming on a desktop. The big reason for this is I don't really like sitting in one spot and gaming. Even in my house, I'll sometimes play games at the kitchen table, bedrooms, or even on my recliner. TBH I'm not really fond of being tied down to a single desk..and the only real desk in my house is a standing desk. I enjoy gaming though, FNV and Skyrim being my big ones I plan on playing with my 15S gets here (which is today). Many of the reviews are right that one can build a gaming desktop for *MUCH* cheaper than a getting a laptop that does the same thing. That's not a surprise. The thing that should be noted, though, is that some people are more comfortable with gaming on a laptop vs a desktop because of portability reasons. This should be especially apparent given the review was on the 15S and not the 17S - since those things are like carrying bricks in your backpack. For my use case, this machine will basically be my "one computer". I plan on using it for work and home use. Doing a lot of programming on it, but also a lot of gaming. Considering I purchased only macs for the past 10 years, or so, $2500 seems pretty comparable to a MacBook Pro, which is what I probably would have purchased instead...but this gives me significantly better specs.
Hmm.. Some of these comments are a bit rough. I am a PC gamer, but not a "hard core" one like most people here perhaps. I've been gaming on laptops for about 10 years now, and have been fairly pleased overall. Like the OP, I personally find gaming on a laptop to be generally a better use case for me than gaming on a desktop. The big reason for this is I don't really like sitting in one spot and gaming. Even in my house, I'll sometimes play games at the kitchen table, bedrooms, or even on my recliner. TBH I'm not really fond of being tied down to a single desk..and the only real desk in my house is a standing desk. I enjoy gaming though, FNV and Skyrim being my big ones I plan on playing with my 15S gets here (which is today). Many of the reviews are right that one can build a gaming desktop for *MUCH* cheaper than a getting a laptop that does the same thing. That's not a surprise. The thing that should be noted, though, is that some people are more comfortable with gaming on a laptop vs a desktop because of portability reasons. This should be especially apparent given the review was on the 15S and not the 17S - since those things are like carrying bricks in your backpack. For my use case, this machine will basically be my "one computer". I plan on using it for work and home use. Doing a lot of programming on it, but also a lot of gaming. Considering I purchased only macs for the past 10 years, or so, $2500 seems pretty comparable to a MacBook Pro, which is what I probably would have purchased instead...but this gives me significantly better specs.
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