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I'm looking forward to picking this up, but right now I'm a bit overloaded with all of these new releases. Also, I've beaten 1 and own 3 so I'm not sure if I can justify the purchase.
Comparing Prime to Halo like that doesn't make much sense. Halo is very much a straight-up shooter, wheras Prime actually focuses on being a huge world - the enemies aren't the focus, though they're definately there. IMO Prime is deserving of the FPA title.
I didn't much like MP3, personally, it was way too shooty and not enough adventure-y, and the controls were... (after thinking about how to word this for about 15 seconds, I can't think of a way that won't make me sound elitist, but I promise I'm not) good for a console FPS, but the turning was nasty. It was worth the price, though. Primes one and two are easily worth the price of this whole package, so anybody who hasn't played these brilliant, brilliant games, buy it! (Though if you can, get the originals and play with a GC controller - the controls were part of the experience IMO)
I didn't much like MP3, personally, it was way too shooty and not enough adventure-y, and the controls were... (after thinking about how to word this for about 15 seconds, I can't think of a way that won't make me sound elitist, but I promise I'm not) good for a console FPS, but the turning was nasty. It was worth the price, though. Primes one and two are easily worth the price of this whole package, so anybody who hasn't played these brilliant, brilliant games, buy it! (Though if you can, get the originals and play with a GC controller - the controls were part of the experience IMO)
Still have Corruption sitting on my shelf, waiting to be finished...
I'm just not that great at puzzles, and I really don't want to turn to Gamefaqs again. So it sits there, and waits. And waits. And waits.
I'm just not that great at puzzles, and I really don't want to turn to Gamefaqs again. So it sits there, and waits. And waits. And waits.
Phazon Yoshi: Replace "Good for a console" with "The best on console" and you don't sound elitist at all whilst preserving mouse/keyboard as the kings of fps aiming.
Nintendo has much potential with Dual-Layer Games. Why it never use it often is beyond my bag of cookies that i just finished eating. Still on topic,...Me want, me broke. me sad. :[
I have prime 1 for the cube and prime 3 for the wii and I still bought this for the updated controls and the freaking packaging. It comes in an awesome metal tin with a nice art booklet. Its pretty smooth.
I really want to buy this, and I will as soon as I have the money. Also, I think you forgot to mention in your review that the "achievement" system of MP3 was also implemented in the first two Prime games.
In all honesty, I didn't really enjoy Metroid Prime 1. I played it from beginning to end, but I couldn't really find the game fun. The controls weren't bad (but could have used some improving) and it was definitely a solid shooter, but it was boring. "Walk here, go there, get this so you can walk back and go to that other place, get the item there, walk back so you can go to that one OTHER place, get the thing there, walk back..."
Aside from the occasional, fun boss fight, I didn't really find the game to be that amazing or anything. It was a good shooter that was, at its core, boring.
Maybe I didn't get it, I dunno.
Aside from the occasional, fun boss fight, I didn't really find the game to be that amazing or anything. It was a good shooter that was, at its core, boring.
Maybe I didn't get it, I dunno.
You might want to replace that multiplayer screenshot. That isn't even from the gamecube version, it looks like an early build of the game or something.
There are very few FPS games that I've been able to get into. That being said, I LOVE the Metroid Prime Trilogy. Each game had something great going for it. The original was an eye-opener for me (and along with Fusion, my introduction to the series, which has become possibly my favorite video game franchise). I would have liked Echoes a lot more if it weren't for that damn Boost Guardian, but other than that it was an excellent game. Corruption's controls were quite possibly perfect, and the first battle with Ridley was a lot of fun.
Can't wait to play these again.
Can't wait to play these again.
No mention of logbook entries carrying over to new saves (so you can get the missed ones, in case you weren't aware that this game has more log book entries for us US gamers, like Flaggrha's goddamn tentacles), or the ridiculously balls hard Hypermode? And no comment on the multiplayer, despite the really dated screenshot?
@topcatyo: If we're going to break down games at that ridiculous level, then pretty much any shooter is "walk there, shoot things, walk further, shoot more things". Come on. Any game can be broken down into basic actions if you're really trying to hate on it.
Honestly, this is the best value in video gaming right now, possibly ever. Get this shit.
@topcatyo: If we're going to break down games at that ridiculous level, then pretty much any shooter is "walk there, shoot things, walk further, shoot more things". Come on. Any game can be broken down into basic actions if you're really trying to hate on it.
Honestly, this is the best value in video gaming right now, possibly ever. Get this shit.
It seems like a no-brainer purchase. Unfortunately, I've got the three games and too much coming up soon. I will deffinitely pick it up, only it will be down the line, when Prime 3 isn't such a vivid experience and I actually have the guts to tackle the three in succession.
If you have one, two or, God forsake, none of the games, do yourself a huge favor and just get it. Now.
If you have one, two or, God forsake, none of the games, do yourself a huge favor and just get it. Now.
Hey gator, they made the Boost Ball guardian and another one easier for Echoes this time around, though I'm sure they still suck fucking ass on Hypermode.
At 29.99 it's a steal.
I agree with the control rant. Dual anologue is ok, but I love me some lock-on.
I agree with the control rant. Dual anologue is ok, but I love me some lock-on.
No I uh... would call them first person adventures. And mind you I love them for it. In an FPS game shooting enemies is generally a means of progress. But all enemies just respawn eventually in Metroid, so your only goal is to explore and reach new areas. Really you'll want to just avoid or ignore enemies whenever possible.
Chicken's right, it's on a dual-layer disc, only the second one that the Wii has made use of.
And these are definitely NOT first-person shooters. If anything they're adventure/platformers that are played in first-person, and that just happen to have you shooting a lot. But I promise, they feel nothing like a standard FPS game.
And these are definitely NOT first-person shooters. If anything they're adventure/platformers that are played in first-person, and that just happen to have you shooting a lot. But I promise, they feel nothing like a standard FPS game.
@EggmaniMN: I have bad taste...
Didn't like any Metroid game since the SNES. Waggle control didn't help. Lynch me.
Didn't like any Metroid game since the SNES. Waggle control didn't help. Lynch me.
Preferring to play FPS' with dual sticks vs Waggle aim is hardly generational. Its about refined control (not as refined as Mouse + Keyboard but not the argument here), precision aiming/movement & level of comfort over prolonged continuous use. How many truly enjoyable Wii FPS' are there, featuring a high level of control & accuracy via the Wiimote? Now how many FPS' are present on Dual Stick based consoles with such control? My point exactly.
Its arrogant to vaguely refer to people as old simply because they prefer a tried & tested control method. The reviewer even went as far as likening the Wiimote to the Beatles. If the Wiimote was ever to revolutionize FPS gaming (as the Beatles did to pop music) it would have done so by now. You would see a million ppl playing CoD with the Wiimote, singing hard days night clumsily firing with their wands - but you don't.
Its really not that puzzling, but its cool that you have fun with it.
Its arrogant to vaguely refer to people as old simply because they prefer a tried & tested control method. The reviewer even went as far as likening the Wiimote to the Beatles. If the Wiimote was ever to revolutionize FPS gaming (as the Beatles did to pop music) it would have done so by now. You would see a million ppl playing CoD with the Wiimote, singing hard days night clumsily firing with their wands - but you don't.
Its really not that puzzling, but its cool that you have fun with it.
Jonathan Holmes reviews MPT? How can I resist not commenting?
First off, @ wanderingpixel: Where are you seeing this game for $30!?
It is always irksome when people compare Halo to the Primes, but it's pretty common so I'm used to it by now. One is straightforward, and one is not. Yes, you play 90% of the game in first person. Yes, you shoot. But it is NOT an FPS where the only obstacles in the game are enemies that you must overcome by shooting. To call this game an FPS is an insult to the level designers and developers that worked on it.
First off, @ wanderingpixel: Where are you seeing this game for $30!?
It is always irksome when people compare Halo to the Primes, but it's pretty common so I'm used to it by now. One is straightforward, and one is not. Yes, you play 90% of the game in first person. Yes, you shoot. But it is NOT an FPS where the only obstacles in the game are enemies that you must overcome by shooting. To call this game an FPS is an insult to the level designers and developers that worked on it.
@Dr Terror: The absence of good software doesn't make the hardware worse. The Wii Remote is a very precise device, specially when it comes to its infrared aiming. It allows for absolute control over positioning if done right. I played through the Conduit(in my own personal settings, I must add) and not even once had I any sort of trouble controlling it. On the contrary, I found it to be extremely untuitive and precise. Only problem is, the game's lame. It's not bad, not awful, it looks fine, plays fine, only problem is it's just lame. It oozes development inexperience.
CoD almost made me puke with its shameful graphics. Metroid Prime plays perfectly, although it hardly ever requires precision and speed at the same time. When it comes down to it, there simply isn't enough software to back the Wii remote.
The double analog is indeed better when it comes to turning around, a vital aspect of shooters. I would much prefer having the nunchuck analog control like 64's Goldeneye while something else made me strafe. The sensor turning seems a little complicated, as it requires you to recenter to stop spinning. Maybe now with Wii Motion Plus wrist rotation for strafing makes more sense...
My point is, the potential is there to even surpass mouse aiming, as it allows for full screen aiming, instead of a centered point. Which I don't find particularly useful, but I digress. Metroid Prime's controls are absolutely brilliant and feel perfect, while I will admit that it is due to the game's slower pacing and the lock-on ability, which would make online competitive play reliant on further tweaking and experimentation.
CoD almost made me puke with its shameful graphics. Metroid Prime plays perfectly, although it hardly ever requires precision and speed at the same time. When it comes down to it, there simply isn't enough software to back the Wii remote.
The double analog is indeed better when it comes to turning around, a vital aspect of shooters. I would much prefer having the nunchuck analog control like 64's Goldeneye while something else made me strafe. The sensor turning seems a little complicated, as it requires you to recenter to stop spinning. Maybe now with Wii Motion Plus wrist rotation for strafing makes more sense...
My point is, the potential is there to even surpass mouse aiming, as it allows for full screen aiming, instead of a centered point. Which I don't find particularly useful, but I digress. Metroid Prime's controls are absolutely brilliant and feel perfect, while I will admit that it is due to the game's slower pacing and the lock-on ability, which would make online competitive play reliant on further tweaking and experimentation.
BIAS!!! No Wii game deserves such a high score because the Wii can't do HD graphics, and we all know how important that is on any game!
Actually, I just finished Arkham Asylum and I'm looking for something new to conquer. I've never played the Metroid games, so this looks like it will be a good purchase.
Actually, I just finished Arkham Asylum and I'm looking for something new to conquer. I've never played the Metroid games, so this looks like it will be a good purchase.
Now I'm no l33tH4x gamer by any stretch of the imagination (I would simply say I'm 'not retarded'), but the thing that bothered me the most about Prime 3 that doesn't seem to get mentioned is how EASY it was compared to the other two. I think I only died like twice the entire game and that was due to the lame corruption mechanic you were forced to use during boss fights.
The first prime had a nice balance and Echoes could be downright evil at times, esp. The morph ball boss fights (I do remember yelling "if I wanted to play Marble Madness I would have #@!!-ing bought #@!!-ing Marble Madness!!!!! during those frustrating fights)
I guess I'm just sad about the dumbing-down of some of my favorite franchises on the Wii (Mario Galaxy was another). I just want a bit of challenge, not busy work. You shouldn't have to immediately jump to mega-extreme-hypermode to get that, you know?
The first prime had a nice balance and Echoes could be downright evil at times, esp. The morph ball boss fights (I do remember yelling "if I wanted to play Marble Madness I would have #@!!-ing bought #@!!-ing Marble Madness!!!!! during those frustrating fights)
I guess I'm just sad about the dumbing-down of some of my favorite franchises on the Wii (Mario Galaxy was another). I just want a bit of challenge, not busy work. You shouldn't have to immediately jump to mega-extreme-hypermode to get that, you know?
Totally agree about the Wii controls being better for FPS, just wish devs would us them for that and use them effectively.
I can't recommened the package enough and I've played through all three before.
I can't recommened the package enough and I've played through all three before.
@EggmaniMN: I played prime on the GC as well (w/o waggle), didn't like it either. It's called opinion, eggman, look it up. While you're at it, get an avatar...and don't suck. Welcome to Dtoid. Btw, we value opinions, get used to it.
@Dr Terror: seconded
@Dr Terror: seconded
@I Use Valtrex
Play Prime 3 on Veteran difficulty it feels like a nice escalation of the difficulty from Prime 2. In face the first thing I did after I beat the intro area in Prime 3 I restarted a new file on Veteran and was pleased at the higher difficulty it provided.
Play Prime 3 on Veteran difficulty it feels like a nice escalation of the difficulty from Prime 2. In face the first thing I did after I beat the intro area in Prime 3 I restarted a new file on Veteran and was pleased at the higher difficulty it provided.
Metroid Prime 1-3 are FPA titles. FPS titles actually require skill, meaning, you can't just lock-on to a target like a retard and blast away. I actually really didn't like the shooting elements of the Prime series. The scanner practically TOLD the player what to do, making the boss fights extremely easy and simple. If anything, the shooting elements require two or three brain cells and you're set. The puzzles (not including the boss fights) and exploration are the two aspects that actually kept me interested long enough to finish the first game, but I never finished MP2. In any case, I picked up the Trilogy because I do enjoy the adventure elements (maybe I'll finish MP2 this time; I really like MP3 so far).
I'm just slightly biased in the Wii controls used in an FPS, just because I worry that I might want to aim at something, and I accidentally overshoot even though I'm pretty sure that I'm aiming directly at it. But that's probably just me making excuses, I'll give it a look.
As someone who has never been into Nintendo at all Metroid still interests me, but I know I would never like the games themselves... it's too bad, because I like the look and genre, I just can't stand simplistic Nintendo gameplay.
Unless these are different somehow, but I would never trust a Nintendo fan to tell me that honestly.
In any case, I'm not buying a Wii to play them.
Unless these are different somehow, but I would never trust a Nintendo fan to tell me that honestly.
In any case, I'm not buying a Wii to play them.
@ Use:Valtrex: I would ask the difficulty you attempted it on before I recommended you to play veteran. Having played the previous two games this is the one I defaulted to and I was greeted with a really challenging game. It basically stood on the cusp of "Just easy enough for me to beat, but difficult enough for me to feel it rewarding."
To all those people arguing about dual analogue control. We KNOW because of the MP series that control which is more accurate than dual analogue exists (or if you don't buy that argument, could exist with WiimotionPlus) on console. You cannot blame the hardware when there is solid proof that it can be used well. You cannot physically say that dual analogue is technically better than wiimote control.
You CAN say it is currently better implemented with relatively few good shooting games on the Wii but unless you concede that if both were used optimally Wiimote control would win out, then I'm sorry, you fall into the category mentioned by the author.
To all those people arguing about dual analogue control. We KNOW because of the MP series that control which is more accurate than dual analogue exists (or if you don't buy that argument, could exist with WiimotionPlus) on console. You cannot blame the hardware when there is solid proof that it can be used well. You cannot physically say that dual analogue is technically better than wiimote control.
You CAN say it is currently better implemented with relatively few good shooting games on the Wii but unless you concede that if both were used optimally Wiimote control would win out, then I'm sorry, you fall into the category mentioned by the author.
HAHAHAHA
Oh, my lawldy. Prime? Simplistic? A few of my friends thought the games were too complex.
FYI, Prime wasn't made by an in-house division of Nintendo, it was made by Retro Studios, which is owned by Nintendo.
Oh, my lawldy. Prime? Simplistic? A few of my friends thought the games were too complex.
FYI, Prime wasn't made by an in-house division of Nintendo, it was made by Retro Studios, which is owned by Nintendo.
Seems to me the best thing about the Prime series, out of so many FPS's, was the intuitive jump dynamic. When it comes to jumping, for the most part, FPS's suck, so seeing a platforming stage in a FPS game reeks of instant disappointment. Prime, meanwhile, seems to have alot more... control? Intuitiveness? when it comes to platforming parts. I actually looked forward to them.
I was just giving my impressions on what I remember from playing all 3 when they first came out, on the default/normal difficulty. I thought Echoes was plenty challenging and then Corruption hits and I'm like at the end 'wow, my vocal chords are surprisingly intact'.
I'm not necessarily bashing the game, I liked it, I just feel that I shouldn't have to jack up the difficulty at the menu to get a more satisfying experience than what was provided for me at the default difficulty of the previous game.
Honestly, I don't even play games outside the default setting unless its for the purpose of achievement/trophy hoarding. If somebody wants to use that as some kind of indictment of my character/skill then, mmmkay.
For the record, I felt the same way about Mario Galaxy. Great game, but lacking the 'challenge' (alert: loosely used term) of the first two 3D marios.
I'm not necessarily bashing the game, I liked it, I just feel that I shouldn't have to jack up the difficulty at the menu to get a more satisfying experience than what was provided for me at the default difficulty of the previous game.
Honestly, I don't even play games outside the default setting unless its for the purpose of achievement/trophy hoarding. If somebody wants to use that as some kind of indictment of my character/skill then, mmmkay.
For the record, I felt the same way about Mario Galaxy. Great game, but lacking the 'challenge' (alert: loosely used term) of the first two 3D marios.
*Sigh* Holmes, you really couldn't go the whole article with out getting a dig at people who don't like the Wii, could you?. People like to play with dual analog sticks because they wont stop working when you aim them off the screen. Same reason why people like playing shooters with mice.
Ugh but I'm talking to a brick wall because Holmes will constantly fail to realize that new and different =/= better. Not to mention your whole "sit with your arms at the side" thing pretty much contradicts the whole point of "immersion" you were talking about. Plus I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I can get equally immersed in a game with a controller or mouse/keyboard then I can a with gimmicky wand... that's why every first person shooter isn't like Lethal Enforcers, because it's not necessary.
In short, that whole paragraph really just should be edited out because it has no proper place in this article at all.
Ugh but I'm talking to a brick wall because Holmes will constantly fail to realize that new and different =/= better. Not to mention your whole "sit with your arms at the side" thing pretty much contradicts the whole point of "immersion" you were talking about. Plus I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I can get equally immersed in a game with a controller or mouse/keyboard then I can a with gimmicky wand... that's why every first person shooter isn't like Lethal Enforcers, because it's not necessary.
In short, that whole paragraph really just should be edited out because it has no proper place in this article at all.
*Sigh* Holmes, you really couldn't go the whole article with out getting a dig at people who don't like the Wii, could you?. People like to play with dual analog sticks because they wont stop working when you aim them off the screen. Same reason why people like playing shooters with mice.
Ugh but I'm talking to a brick wall because Holmes will constantly fail to realize that new and different =/= better. Not to mention your whole "sit with your arms at the side" thing pretty much contradicts the whole point of "immersion" you were talking about. Plus I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I can get equally immersed in a game with a controller or mouse/keyboard then I can a with gimmicky wand... that's why every first person shooter isn't like Lethal Enforcers, because it's not necessary.
In short, that whole paragraph really just should be edited out because it has no proper place in this article at all.
Ugh but I'm talking to a brick wall because Holmes will constantly fail to realize that new and different =/= better. Not to mention your whole "sit with your arms at the side" thing pretty much contradicts the whole point of "immersion" you were talking about. Plus I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I can get equally immersed in a game with a controller or mouse/keyboard then I can a with gimmicky wand... that's why every first person shooter isn't like Lethal Enforcers, because it's not necessary.
In short, that whole paragraph really just should be edited out because it has no proper place in this article at all.
@ Max Power NO did you even read what he said? He said (correctly) that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAGGLE in Metroid prime trilogy. IR=/=Waggle, NOT EVEN CLOSE. sorry, just had to say it
@Poopface Morty: You're right, when you break down any game, it is "Go here, shoot, go here, collect". However, a lot of games disguise this with interesting gampeplay aspects and whatnot, a story, or some cheap gimmick that doesn't help the game in any way. I couldn't help the whole time when playing Metroid Prime that it was just "Auto-aim, shoot, collect" with the occasional boss fight to break up the tedium. There was nothing else. I mean, granted, they didn't bullshit you about any of that but that's still all there was, and I just found it to be a bit monotonous after three hours of playing.
The game's not bad, I'm just saying that I guess I don't see what the big deal is. I would love to be enlightened as to why I should have enjoyed Metroid Prime more than I did so I can stop feeling left out.
The game's not bad, I'm just saying that I guess I don't see what the big deal is. I would love to be enlightened as to why I should have enjoyed Metroid Prime more than I did so I can stop feeling left out.
There is waggle in MP3: Corruption (ripping shields from enemies using the nunchuck), but it actually works really well. Probably the only time I have ever felt waggle worked to increase the immersion in a game.
I'll probably look into this some other when it's second hand and cheap most likely, I already have all 3.
I'll probably look into this some other when it's second hand and cheap most likely, I already have all 3.
@ RIMoonlight
Simplistic in the sense that you lock on to enemies and story is written like a G.I. Cartoon. I don't really know though, I never played them... I was older when I got into games and started on the PC... Nintendo always seemed like gaming for kids, whereas things like Age of Empires, Monkey Island and Half-Life was gaming for adults. Nothing has really changed my opinion over the years, and I am even older now.
Simplistic in the sense that you lock on to enemies and story is written like a G.I. Cartoon. I don't really know though, I never played them... I was older when I got into games and started on the PC... Nintendo always seemed like gaming for kids, whereas things like Age of Empires, Monkey Island and Half-Life was gaming for adults. Nothing has really changed my opinion over the years, and I am even older now.
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