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So I guess it's good shovelware?
I also much prefer pointer controls (Metroid Prime 3 is still what I consider the game with the best handling feeling ever) but I will never support the scaled down, uncared for crap they sell on the Wii.
And I find it curious you haven't said anything about multiplayer, considering its the game's only real appeal (and what makes up for its ridiculous price...)
I also much prefer pointer controls (Metroid Prime 3 is still what I consider the game with the best handling feeling ever) but I will never support the scaled down, uncared for crap they sell on the Wii.
And I find it curious you haven't said anything about multiplayer, considering its the game's only real appeal (and what makes up for its ridiculous price...)
"No problems getting online"
How long have you been playing this game?
Anyways, yeah. Lots of random things were taken from the game. A short list of more noticables:
- Dead Ops
- Customizable red dot
- Chopper Gunner & Gunship
- Valkyrie Missles
- Camera Spikes
- Killcam
And that's why I wanted Treyarch to make the DVD a dual-layer one for the wii. Chopper Gunner/Gunship wouldn't work too well on wii regardless.
How long have you been playing this game?
Anyways, yeah. Lots of random things were taken from the game. A short list of more noticables:
- Dead Ops
- Customizable red dot
- Chopper Gunner & Gunship
- Valkyrie Missles
- Camera Spikes
- Killcam
And that's why I wanted Treyarch to make the DVD a dual-layer one for the wii. Chopper Gunner/Gunship wouldn't work too well on wii regardless.
Does it have have any adjustments to turn sensitivity with the remote like Goldeneye does?
I considered getting this, but with Sonic, DK and Epic Mickey rolling out back-to-back, I thought I'd just stick with Goldeneye, particularly since I've been enjoying the online multiplayer quite a bit and it feels totally crafted for the Wii. I wasn't too sure what to make of Black Ops.
I considered getting this, but with Sonic, DK and Epic Mickey rolling out back-to-back, I thought I'd just stick with Goldeneye, particularly since I've been enjoying the online multiplayer quite a bit and it feels totally crafted for the Wii. I wasn't too sure what to make of Black Ops.
I like to add that you can play this game with the classic controller *pro*.
though this is only if you own said classic controller.
though this is only if you own said classic controller.
Well, as long as it has some Controller Pro love then I might just get this. Though on the other, hand, there is Epic Mickey, Kirby, Donkey Kong, Goldeneye, etc. Yeah, maybe not.
Some how I see easier getting online on wii akin to a party next door where all the cool and hip kids "PS3/360/PC" shuffling through the door or waiting in line to get in. Versus the misfits "wii" entering through the back window to get in. Yeah it's crude and less glamorous but it gets the job done.
does it use the motion plus? That damn thing is starting to collect dust and is about to get put next to my PS3 until both of them get some quality games.
@ The Silent Protagonist- Yep, you can adjust turn sensitivity. That's pretty much standard for Wii FPSs?
I sure hope it is, but admittiedly, I haven't played a lot of the small-name FPSs on the Wii, like that Marines one and that History Channel one.
I sure hope it is, but admittiedly, I haven't played a lot of the small-name FPSs on the Wii, like that Marines one and that History Channel one.
No one will ever be as awesome as Jonathan Homes
BUT
I have a friend who wants to get this game
should I tell him to get a 360 or just get this game for the Wii
BUT
I have a friend who wants to get this game
should I tell him to get a 360 or just get this game for the Wii
@The Mark of my Metal : Tell him to get:
-Metroid Prime Trilogy for the Wii
-Killzone 2 for the PS3
-Halo Reach for the X-BOX
-Half-Life 2 for PC
And stop supporting a franchise based on rip-off, I MEAN, based on shooting down your iron sights :D!
-Metroid Prime Trilogy for the Wii
-Killzone 2 for the PS3
-Halo Reach for the X-BOX
-Half-Life 2 for PC
And stop supporting a franchise based on rip-off, I MEAN, based on shooting down your iron sights :D!
Eh, seems like a 6 or a 7 to me. A lot has been taken out, too much IMO. I really hated how much was removed from Dead Rising: CTYD and the game was just really lacking compared to the 360 version. Then there is online, it has been fixed on the other consoles now, but the Wii version still has issues as well according to GoNintendo.
http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=142759
http://www.gonintendo.com/viewstory.php?id=142759
Based on those screens, I thought the graphics actually looked pretty nice. Of course, a game in motion and a game in still frame are two different things...
Either way, thanks for the review.
Either way, thanks for the review.
Are other Wii FPS games better than Metroid Prime 3 when it comes to shooting controls? I, being an elitist asshole PC gamer, could never deal with analog sticks and auto-aim, but I was hoping the Wii might present a nice alternative. I played Metroind Prime 3 though and thought the pointer aiming was pretty terrible, and the game did more than auto-aim to compensate, it actually had lock on and a weird strafe system if I recall correctly.
Just wondering if later shooters on Wii got better.
Just wondering if later shooters on Wii got better.
EXACTLY what MathewRD said. You know how to make the graphics of the Wii amazing, and how to stuff more crap onto the disc than imaginable? Make it dual-layer. Look at the few dual-layer Wii games on the console -- The graphics are amazing and there's so much content on the disc that it's insane. That extra space makes a hell of a lot of difference.
OK i just feel that i need to point out a few things that are incorrect about your review 1. the Flamethrower attachment is still there you just have to have a compatible gun
2. you can customize you controls just as well as the conduit but the have there pre-built setups
as far as everyone talking about goldeneye vs. COD Black ops i have both and think that they are great games i would say that cod has goldeneye beat as far as online goes but goldeneye's multi splitscrean is awesome and is something that COD does not have both are great games but if you are looking for local multi player go with goldeneye if you are wanting an addictive and deep online game check out black ops
2. you can customize you controls just as well as the conduit but the have there pre-built setups
as far as everyone talking about goldeneye vs. COD Black ops i have both and think that they are great games i would say that cod has goldeneye beat as far as online goes but goldeneye's multi splitscrean is awesome and is something that COD does not have both are great games but if you are looking for local multi player go with goldeneye if you are wanting an addictive and deep online game check out black ops
John Holmes, good review overall. Just to let you know...
Player Cards are indeed in. It pretty much shows it to you, right when you get in online multiplayer.
As far as missing content goes, these are whats missing:
3 kill streaks (valkyrie, chopper gunner, gunship), theater mode, kill cam, camera spike equipment, flamethrower attachment, face paint, emblems, dead ops arcade and the pentagon map.
The 3 kill streaks, theater mode, kill cam, and camera spike probably couldn't make it due to RAM issues.Everything else, maybe. And there's a good chance that with DLC confirmed we'll get the missing zombie map.
OH and as far as customizable controls go... The button layout is indeed completely customizable. You don't have to choose between the default button layouts (alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, echo, foxtrot, etc). In that same page, you have to go all the way down and click "customize" to customize your button layout.
And as far as graphics goes... I've been using component cables, and the game actually looks pretty good with them! I know it doesn't have a sign on the box, but I think it is compatible with them.
Player Cards are indeed in. It pretty much shows it to you, right when you get in online multiplayer.
As far as missing content goes, these are whats missing:
3 kill streaks (valkyrie, chopper gunner, gunship), theater mode, kill cam, camera spike equipment, flamethrower attachment, face paint, emblems, dead ops arcade and the pentagon map.
The 3 kill streaks, theater mode, kill cam, and camera spike probably couldn't make it due to RAM issues.Everything else, maybe. And there's a good chance that with DLC confirmed we'll get the missing zombie map.
OH and as far as customizable controls go... The button layout is indeed completely customizable. You don't have to choose between the default button layouts (alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, echo, foxtrot, etc). In that same page, you have to go all the way down and click "customize" to customize your button layout.
And as far as graphics goes... I've been using component cables, and the game actually looks pretty good with them! I know it doesn't have a sign on the box, but I think it is compatible with them.
The controls are VERY customisable, you can assign functions to any buttons and gestures, adjust deadzones and sensitivty settings, pick between different behaviours for ADS, sniper scopes, turrets, whatever, and... I struggle to think of anything you can't customise to your liking really...
And it really works, check out this guy's youtube channel for what pointer controls look like when someone competent is using them, it's pretty much nothing like most videos by so called reviewers indicate, and should be a slap to the face of writers like GI's who claim they're inaccurate, imprecise, etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxqA3GK1cXo&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM2hdoBLXuM&hd=1
For online multiplayer Black Ops is now king on Wii (although WaW and especially Modern Warfare are still fine too, if you haven't gotten tired of them, Black Ops can wait as it's more of the same really) but as far as single player experiences go, GoldenEye is one of the finest on ANY platform thanks to having actual AI instead of braindead respawning aimbots and grenade spammers and a little bit of freedom in how you approach levels and situations. Sweet.
And it really works, check out this guy's youtube channel for what pointer controls look like when someone competent is using them, it's pretty much nothing like most videos by so called reviewers indicate, and should be a slap to the face of writers like GI's who claim they're inaccurate, imprecise, etc...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxqA3GK1cXo&hd=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM2hdoBLXuM&hd=1
For online multiplayer Black Ops is now king on Wii (although WaW and especially Modern Warfare are still fine too, if you haven't gotten tired of them, Black Ops can wait as it's more of the same really) but as far as single player experiences go, GoldenEye is one of the finest on ANY platform thanks to having actual AI instead of braindead respawning aimbots and grenade spammers and a little bit of freedom in how you approach levels and situations. Sweet.
Cyber Mage, you'e wrong. Flamethrower attachments aren't in this game in multiplayer mode. And you can customize the button layout. Read my post above.
And another thing... Guys, this game doesn't need to be dual layered! Disc space isn't what this game needed. There is some content (like the "5" Zombie map) that could have made it in, but it probably wasn't added in, due to time constraint issues.
But as for the 3 missing kill streaks, camera spike, theater mode, and kill cam, most likely they couldn't have been included due to Wii's limited RAM.
But as for the 3 missing kill streaks, camera spike, theater mode, and kill cam, most likely they couldn't have been included due to Wii's limited RAM.
Whoops, I forgot.. In terms of missing content, split screen multi is out, as well as customizable red dot/holo/acog sights. But that's pretty much it, other than the other content I've mentioned.
This game is still a great game!
John, you could have mentioned that this is the First online Wii FPS to not only support DLC, but text messaging and voice chat as well.
In addition, the friend code system has been improved by quite a bit. Only one person has to add the other, while the other person just accepts their friend request to add them. in addition, you can add people you just played with recently in previous matches by sending them friend invites, without the need of friend codes.
This game is still a great game!
John, you could have mentioned that this is the First online Wii FPS to not only support DLC, but text messaging and voice chat as well.
In addition, the friend code system has been improved by quite a bit. Only one person has to add the other, while the other person just accepts their friend request to add them. in addition, you can add people you just played with recently in previous matches by sending them friend invites, without the need of friend codes.
Although it's unfortunate some content was cut seemingly to rush the game out, it doesn't seem to be very significant and it's still the most fully featured FPS on Wii, online wise. The multiplayer looks a tad better than the single player as well. It varies from map to map really. They seem to have just done the same process for all the content. The atmosphere can get lost if it's reliant on HDR and other technologies that they've stripped from the Wii version. Without care to adjust the ambient lighting, lightmaps, bake some shadows in the textures, etc, some locations look off, while others which already had some of those adjustments regardless of version have translated better on Wii as well.
The graphics look a bit better than your description. I don't doubt they won't hold up on a bigger screen, though. It's nice to hear that the online is functional.
While I respect your opinion Holmes, I believe you are overestimating the Wii's hardware capabilities. Don't forget that the Wii's best games are designed from the ground up with its limitations in mind.
Kinda sad to see the Kenndy/Nixon/McNamara/Castro zombie mode gone but there is at least another zombie mode right(at least i remember seeing a trailer here a while back)? in any case i'm picking this one up, thanks Holmes.
A "slightly cheaper starting point to the series" would be, to people with some level of intelligence, an older game in the series that costs far less. Buying a shoddy Wii port for $50 does not compute when MW or WaW can be found for under 30 new.
Or, for the smartest people...
Stay away from CoD.
Or, for the smartest people...
Stay away from CoD.
Jonathan, as one of the few Destructoid reviewers that I respect, you have disappointed me with one big inaccuracy in this review.
My biggest issue with this review is the following line, "Sadly, the controls aren't as freely customizable as they are in some other Wii FPS's. There are bunch of pre-set control layouts, and that's it." That line is a lie or you just didn't bother dig down deeper especially after reading the next part of the paragraph, "That didn't bother me though. I never felt the need to customize the controls anyway."
Once you click on the custom button layout, you are allowed to reconfigure the button layout to your liking, you are also allowed to adjust the sensitivity of the camera, the pointer, configure the dead zone, the sensitivity of the Nunchuk, if you want the ADS to spring the camera to the center, and other things. Long story short, the controls are very customizable.
While this isn't critiquing this review, but I think you also have to admire how Treyarch is listening to the Wii community and patching various issues that are currently present - http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=330124&sid=9pk9roatcbf8jd95gajm1e4s57 .
My biggest issue with this review is the following line, "Sadly, the controls aren't as freely customizable as they are in some other Wii FPS's. There are bunch of pre-set control layouts, and that's it." That line is a lie or you just didn't bother dig down deeper especially after reading the next part of the paragraph, "That didn't bother me though. I never felt the need to customize the controls anyway."
Once you click on the custom button layout, you are allowed to reconfigure the button layout to your liking, you are also allowed to adjust the sensitivity of the camera, the pointer, configure the dead zone, the sensitivity of the Nunchuk, if you want the ADS to spring the camera to the center, and other things. Long story short, the controls are very customizable.
While this isn't critiquing this review, but I think you also have to admire how Treyarch is listening to the Wii community and patching various issues that are currently present - http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=330124&sid=9pk9roatcbf8jd95gajm1e4s57 .
@Johnatan Holmes
Theres classic controller support on BO Wii, and theres full customization on wiimote controllers...
Theres classic controller support on BO Wii, and theres full customization on wiimote controllers...
The Controls are Spoton, if you think not, you do not have a steady hand.
The graphics are serviceable, even if i think that lower res textures and lack of modes is to make the game fit on a standard DVD, goldeneye have vastly better texturing.
The lack of lighting effects bug me, but we do get a lot of geometry going on BO.
Looking forward to DLC...
The graphics are serviceable, even if i think that lower res textures and lack of modes is to make the game fit on a standard DVD, goldeneye have vastly better texturing.
The lack of lighting effects bug me, but we do get a lot of geometry going on BO.
Looking forward to DLC...
Are you kidding me, this is NOT the best looking third party Wii game.
Try Monster Hunter Tri, or Xenoblade (even though it's published by Ninty it's developed by Monolith). Those set the standard.
BTW is Xenoblade ever going to come to NA??? If it doesn't I'm gonna hack my Wii and learn Japanese to play it, it looks freaking amazing.
Try Monster Hunter Tri, or Xenoblade (even though it's published by Ninty it's developed by Monolith). Those set the standard.
BTW is Xenoblade ever going to come to NA??? If it doesn't I'm gonna hack my Wii and learn Japanese to play it, it looks freaking amazing.
I'm with everyone else, I would get it if it wasn't for all the other more promising Wii games coming out.
how 'bout a direct comparison to that other fps game that came to wii this month? how does it stack up to bond?
@ Bobyoko- Matt gave Goldeneye a 8.5, so going by that, Bond is better.
From my personal experience, I'd say that Goldeneye has better graphics, a longer campaign mode, and the advantage of local multi-player, but Black Ops has a more interesting single player storyline and more expansive online multi-player.
It's really a matter of priorities, but both games are great.
From my personal experience, I'd say that Goldeneye has better graphics, a longer campaign mode, and the advantage of local multi-player, but Black Ops has a more interesting single player storyline and more expansive online multi-player.
It's really a matter of priorities, but both games are great.
Meh, I thought the Black Ops story was a disjointed, messy, uh, mess, with the trademark COD gameplay which meant following the tracks of a roller coaster while (often not even) shooting dumb meatwalls until the next magical checkpoint, with few and extremely heavily scripted and limited variations throughout. Overall, the design was even inferior to the Modern Warfare games which seemed more polished and fresh despite using the same formula. The single player is not a reason to purchase any recent COD full price, and especially Black Ops.
I found GoldenEye 007's single player to be by and large far superior to any Call of Duty yet made thanks to having actual gameplay and AI (although COD2 was pretty fun). It gives options for stealth and alternative routes (not all of which are obvious), but also has at least just as intense gunfights wherever stealth is not an option (or wherever it goes wrong) which are not fully scripted as the AI rush, dive, and roll to cover, lean to shoot, blindfire (often while retreating), attempt to flank you, etc. It really should be experienced by any FPS player regardless of platform. It just brings the fun back, like a mix of F.E.A.R. and Mission Impossible/MGS. A couple of sections are pretty awful but you quickly get over them and go back to the awesome.
Eurocom will hopefully get to make more games like it, even (better?) if they aren't tied to the Bond licence. And maybe get rid of the few COD traces still left in the design formula (there's a handful of QTE sequences and some missions are more scripted than others, although few sections have COD style respawning enemies, and they come in waves which still have proper AI) and polish it all a little more as it seems to have been rushed out the door in some ways, likely to be released before Black Ops/with the other 007 game.
All Black Ops does better is the rather important online multiplayer (although it's of course very, very similar to the two previous games, so wouldn't be a priority for most people) and that the controls are more refined with more options (which makes sense, this is their fourth attempt after all). GoldenEye 007's scheme is still better than DA, and has some nice adjustments like analog leaning (nunchuck tilt) and how you automatically slightly raise just above medium sized cover when you bring up the iron sights while crouching behind it. The multiplayer should be enough to tide most over until they can purchase Black Ops later on too, as the online is very similar, but with less core modes and options, and the split screen is, well, the only recent robust option for such.
I found GoldenEye 007's single player to be by and large far superior to any Call of Duty yet made thanks to having actual gameplay and AI (although COD2 was pretty fun). It gives options for stealth and alternative routes (not all of which are obvious), but also has at least just as intense gunfights wherever stealth is not an option (or wherever it goes wrong) which are not fully scripted as the AI rush, dive, and roll to cover, lean to shoot, blindfire (often while retreating), attempt to flank you, etc. It really should be experienced by any FPS player regardless of platform. It just brings the fun back, like a mix of F.E.A.R. and Mission Impossible/MGS. A couple of sections are pretty awful but you quickly get over them and go back to the awesome.
Eurocom will hopefully get to make more games like it, even (better?) if they aren't tied to the Bond licence. And maybe get rid of the few COD traces still left in the design formula (there's a handful of QTE sequences and some missions are more scripted than others, although few sections have COD style respawning enemies, and they come in waves which still have proper AI) and polish it all a little more as it seems to have been rushed out the door in some ways, likely to be released before Black Ops/with the other 007 game.
All Black Ops does better is the rather important online multiplayer (although it's of course very, very similar to the two previous games, so wouldn't be a priority for most people) and that the controls are more refined with more options (which makes sense, this is their fourth attempt after all). GoldenEye 007's scheme is still better than DA, and has some nice adjustments like analog leaning (nunchuck tilt) and how you automatically slightly raise just above medium sized cover when you bring up the iron sights while crouching behind it. The multiplayer should be enough to tide most over until they can purchase Black Ops later on too, as the online is very similar, but with less core modes and options, and the split screen is, well, the only recent robust option for such.
Now that you've mentioned it, I really would like to try a COD with my move controller. Just out of curiosity. Also, if you want move to stay relevant, sony, you should be encouraging 3rd parties to put the move option into their games.
It's good if it's the only version you can get. But seriously, try to get it any other way. The Wii has some great games, but its ports are never as good as they are on the systems they were primarily designed for.
Well whatever. At least they're trying, and they didn't to a terrible job.
Well whatever. At least they're trying, and they didn't to a terrible job.
A quick reply here. Seen those pictures and it seems that the graphics are much lower than any other consol. Plus wii now has cod? Did they give up with all those really bad ' educational / healthy / child games or what? lol
I'm surprised you were even able to post fanofgames. Usually people so ignorant of how things work (for example, game releases on consoles, since you seem to think there's some kind of regulation on what types of games will be on any one of them, as if only first parties often stop releases from licenced developers) don't manage to sign up on gaming websites. Fyi Wii has had almost every COD since 3 (and yes, of course the graphics aren't as good, just like the graphics on PS360 are of lower quality than on PC) so, yeah, you're a bit out of the loop pally. Maybe like the hardcore/notchild (and not educated) gamer you are, you should know more about the industry you're oh so interested in. Or at least shut up about subjects you aren't familiar with, unless you have genuine questions instead of a smug, dumb attitude that does an excellent job of displaying your ignorance. Oh and, lol.
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