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The number of gameplay hours and the amount of enjoyment I received from a single Bit.Trip game is greater than that of most of my current gen library combined. It's sad that people won't think this is worth $40 but they'll be willing to spend $60 on a 5 hour long shooter with mediocre multiplayer.
The number of gameplay hours and the amount of enjoyment I received from a single Bit.Trip game is greater than that of most of my current gen library combined. It's sad that people won't think this is worth $40 but they'll be willing to spend $60 on a 5 hour long shooter with mediocre multiplayer.
Sword and Sworcery got a 10, and that game cost $5. Yet, the review only got 55 comments.
http://www.destructoid.com/review-superbrothers-sword-sworcery-ep-197381.phtml
Would it have gotten more comments if the game cost $3
http://www.destructoid.com/review-superbrothers-sword-sworcery-ep-197381.phtml
Would it have gotten more comments if the game cost $3
@J Holmes,
I still like you, too ;)
Anyway, for that compilation you mentioned, I would pay the full $60 because I believe that any of those three games are better than the BitTrip stuff I've played.
Also, Gitaroo-man is one of my favorite games of all time. And while I DO feel that sense of awesomeness while playing IT, I don't get any of what you get from playing the BitTrip games.
Perhaps there was a bit of disparity between my two posts, but believe me, when I see a new rhythm game hit the scene (and the quirkier the better!), I take notice and seriously consider buying it. While I've found the BitTrip games to be "fun," I don't know, I just don't feel the same weight and connection that I do to any of those other rhythm games.
Something just never clicked with me, and even in my comparatively short time playing these games, I feel like I've done all there is to do in them.
And undoubtedly, if I shared the same love for the series/creators that you do, $40 is a drop in the bucket for a good game made by people I like.
Oh, and I forgot that Elite Beat Agents should definitely have a spot in my last list. And for more comparison, I liken this BitTrip compilation to the Rhythm Heaven games (of which I know you're a huge fan). I enjoyed the DS game but when I was done, I really had no interest in playing any more of it.
However, I still stand by my assertion that the chosen price for this game will only inhibit sales to people new to the series. Perhaps the current, small-but-rabid fanbase for these games is enough to make this venture worth while, but I'm not sure if those numbers will add up in the end.
I still like you, too ;)
Anyway, for that compilation you mentioned, I would pay the full $60 because I believe that any of those three games are better than the BitTrip stuff I've played.
Also, Gitaroo-man is one of my favorite games of all time. And while I DO feel that sense of awesomeness while playing IT, I don't get any of what you get from playing the BitTrip games.
Perhaps there was a bit of disparity between my two posts, but believe me, when I see a new rhythm game hit the scene (and the quirkier the better!), I take notice and seriously consider buying it. While I've found the BitTrip games to be "fun," I don't know, I just don't feel the same weight and connection that I do to any of those other rhythm games.
Something just never clicked with me, and even in my comparatively short time playing these games, I feel like I've done all there is to do in them.
And undoubtedly, if I shared the same love for the series/creators that you do, $40 is a drop in the bucket for a good game made by people I like.
Oh, and I forgot that Elite Beat Agents should definitely have a spot in my last list. And for more comparison, I liken this BitTrip compilation to the Rhythm Heaven games (of which I know you're a huge fan). I enjoyed the DS game but when I was done, I really had no interest in playing any more of it.
However, I still stand by my assertion that the chosen price for this game will only inhibit sales to people new to the series. Perhaps the current, small-but-rabid fanbase for these games is enough to make this venture worth while, but I'm not sure if those numbers will add up in the end.
I've always wanted to get into bit.trip and now I have no excuses! Checking Gamestop on my way home from work tomorrow.
I may have to play these for the first time ever... Since you got me into Phoenix Wright, Holmes, I can't help but trust your judgment.
Such a shame this is being wasted on Nintendo's platforms. They should bring it to PSN, XBLA, and STEAM where it sell well and be played by gamers who can appreciate it. Hopefully that can and will happen. Right now, I don't see it selling all that well.
@Havok: I fail to see how gamers on the ps360 will appreciate it more than Wii owners. Seeing as the typical view of ps360 gamers and 14 year olds that only buy things with guns and hefty amounts of brown, and the typical view of gamers on the wii are 70 year olds, and those that need something to vacuum. And the only way it'll sell on the PC is on Steam, since Steam can sell a rock if it's on a good sale.
Just like Shadow of the Colossus/Ico collection, this will probably sell like shit, despite it being fucking fantastic, and one of the best games to come out this past decade.
And those bitching about the price, all the games separate would be $42. Even without considering the fantastic extras, this is still a steal.
Just like Shadow of the Colossus/Ico collection, this will probably sell like shit, despite it being fucking fantastic, and one of the best games to come out this past decade.
And those bitching about the price, all the games separate would be $42. Even without considering the fantastic extras, this is still a steal.
@ HaVoK308- Two of the games are on Steam. My understanding is that negotions with Microsoft and Sony didn't go that well for bringing them to PSN and XBLA. In short, Nintendo is just easier to work with. That's the trade off when you make a WiiWare game; smaller audience, less bullshit.
Also, games like this don't necessarily sell better on the 360 and the PS3. Child of Eden comes to mind.
@ DinnertimeNinja- I love Gitaroo Man too, but I think the appeal in the Bit.Trip series is pretty different. Gitaroo Man is a series of songs that have a game attached to them. Bit.Trip is a series of games that have music attached to them. That's not the best explanation, but i can't do any better right now due to current state of mental exhaustion.
Why aren't I sleeping again?
Anyway, I agree that the $25 price point would be great to help people get into the series, but... the series is over. There is little sense in getting people into the series when after buying Complete, because after complete, there is no more series to get into. It's like getting people addicted to crack by giving them a lifetime supply of crack. Not much profit to be made there.
Now if you're saying that more people would buy the game at $25, resulting in more profit for Aksys and Gaijin, I see your point there too, but again, I disagree. Losing $15 per sale is a big deal. They'd have to sell nearly 50% as many copies at that price in order to make up the losses.
Is it all that likely that 50% more consumers would take a chance on this collection if it were $25? Personally, I doubt it. When a game is that cheap, it communicates to the consumer that its not worth buying at al, regardless of price. If you take two identical groups of melons, and sell one melon group for $2.50, and another melon group for $0.75, I guarantee that the $2.50 melons will sell better. No one trusts $0.75 melons.
One last thing, I hate to say it, but I'm not really in real life friends with the developer of the Bit.Trip series. I've probably spent +100 hours playing the Bit.Trip games since BEAT was released in 2009. I've probably spent a total of 8 total hours in the presence of Alex and the other guys at Gaijin Games.
That's not to say they aren't great guys, but honestly, i only started talking to them because I love their games. That may sound shallow, but its true.
Also, games like this don't necessarily sell better on the 360 and the PS3. Child of Eden comes to mind.
@ DinnertimeNinja- I love Gitaroo Man too, but I think the appeal in the Bit.Trip series is pretty different. Gitaroo Man is a series of songs that have a game attached to them. Bit.Trip is a series of games that have music attached to them. That's not the best explanation, but i can't do any better right now due to current state of mental exhaustion.
Why aren't I sleeping again?
Anyway, I agree that the $25 price point would be great to help people get into the series, but... the series is over. There is little sense in getting people into the series when after buying Complete, because after complete, there is no more series to get into. It's like getting people addicted to crack by giving them a lifetime supply of crack. Not much profit to be made there.
Now if you're saying that more people would buy the game at $25, resulting in more profit for Aksys and Gaijin, I see your point there too, but again, I disagree. Losing $15 per sale is a big deal. They'd have to sell nearly 50% as many copies at that price in order to make up the losses.
Is it all that likely that 50% more consumers would take a chance on this collection if it were $25? Personally, I doubt it. When a game is that cheap, it communicates to the consumer that its not worth buying at al, regardless of price. If you take two identical groups of melons, and sell one melon group for $2.50, and another melon group for $0.75, I guarantee that the $2.50 melons will sell better. No one trusts $0.75 melons.
One last thing, I hate to say it, but I'm not really in real life friends with the developer of the Bit.Trip series. I've probably spent +100 hours playing the Bit.Trip games since BEAT was released in 2009. I've probably spent a total of 8 total hours in the presence of Alex and the other guys at Gaijin Games.
That's not to say they aren't great guys, but honestly, i only started talking to them because I love their games. That may sound shallow, but its true.
excellent review holmes, i will definately pick the 3DS compilation. thank you for showing me this game!
@ MPgmr- Awesome! I particularly like the ideas you have about CORE. That's the game that confuses me the most. I know it has a penis in it (the art director told me), but other than that, I'm not sure of going on in there.
The only Bit Trip game I've played was Runner. It had the potential to be really fun and great, but unfortunately it was shit due to fake difficulty from the complete lack of checkpoints in stages and how one hit made you start all over. That isn't fun.
Thank you so very much for giving this collection of games the score they deserved, they must be always looked as a collection of six and not separately and together (telling the story of life lol) they are indeed a perfect 10, playing Bit.Trip Fate with the Wii Zapper makes for some of the most entertaining gameplay this gen, !
@ ScrappyDoo- Runner has tons of checkpoints, I think about 13 per world. The farthest you ever get send back after taking a hit is about a minute or so (except for boss battles).
Maybe you were playing it wrong?
Maybe you were playing it wrong?
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WiiWare is dead. It never was alive.
Which is why they need to bring the quality Wii games to retail!! All the Art Styles, World of Goo, Fluidity and MotoHeroz
Which is why they need to bring the quality Wii games to retail!! All the Art Styles, World of Goo, Fluidity and MotoHeroz
@DinnertimeNinja: WTF? Arguing about the price? Everyone has his priorities. If you _really_ like a game you don't give a shit about the price. And this package is obviously to bring new players to the franchise.
Personally I own BIT.TRIP on every device except 3DS because these fuckers of Nintendo thought it would be a cool idea to implement a region-lock. I also imported COMPLETE for 65$ but whatever.
What you get are 6 games with a ton of goodies and replayability. (something that is RARE today) You have broken it down yourself, 5$ for a game. Now when that's not a bargain I don't know anymore.
Seems like in the age of 60$ AAA titles some have lost their value of money. At least I can't explain why a 5 hour shitfest like Killzone3/Generic shooter is worth 60$ especially when you have no interest in playing online multiplayer.
Personally I own BIT.TRIP on every device except 3DS because these fuckers of Nintendo thought it would be a cool idea to implement a region-lock. I also imported COMPLETE for 65$ but whatever.
What you get are 6 games with a ton of goodies and replayability. (something that is RARE today) You have broken it down yourself, 5$ for a game. Now when that's not a bargain I don't know anymore.
Seems like in the age of 60$ AAA titles some have lost their value of money. At least I can't explain why a 5 hour shitfest like Killzone3/Generic shooter is worth 60$ especially when you have no interest in playing online multiplayer.
Well, I'm picking up Dark Souls and the Ico collection on tuesday. I definitely need to check this out while I'm there. Looks like it's high time I finally got into Bit.Trip, after digging so much of the bonus media surrounding the series.
I would like someone to explain me, why Runner and Beat are Rhythm games. I can't see rhythmic gameplay in those games. It's just learning patterns and playing the same shit over and over again until it comes out of every opening of your body. I played through Runner (one stage took me over three hours - three hours doing the same one and a half minutes at the beginning of a stage) and after 80 minutes of Beat i see the same shit repeating as in Runner. It is simply no fun to play a stage for then minutes without any problems and then get fucked in the ass by some strange patterns. Why do I have to repeat the same boring ten minutes of gameplay to get to the part where I always die ? This is simply horrible Level-design by lazy creators. Obviously a game gets longer when you have to repeat over and over again. Worked in times of Atari and NES but we are over that.
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