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Usually I wouldn't comment on something this trivial but you said it so many times it is gnawing away at my brain.. it is Lara Croft not Laura Croft. Also the ending actually made my jump :D
Is that a homemade Sontatine t-shirt? Well that definately confirms my suspicions about your profile pic.
I'm going go one better and make a Kikujiro t-shirt now.
I'm going go one better and make a Kikujiro t-shirt now.
Ever since you've moved on from youtube video players I can't read Rev's notes at the last second of the video. ES IMPOSSIBLEEEEEE
Epic ending.
But yeah...Samanya (Or whatever) from Red Faction would have been a great example of a serious female character if it wasn't for the fact that she was very rarely developed as a character in the entire game. The DLC looks like it might have improved on that, but then it's the DLC.
Also, Beyond Tits and Asses.
But yeah...Samanya (Or whatever) from Red Faction would have been a great example of a serious female character if it wasn't for the fact that she was very rarely developed as a character in the entire game. The DLC looks like it might have improved on that, but then it's the DLC.
Also, Beyond Tits and Asses.
Ending caught me so off guard I jumped from my seat.
Argument is true. Also, Bayonetta is a penile erector.
Argument is true. Also, Bayonetta is a penile erector.
Why make us jump trough hoops to get to the videos? I read the news on my rss>click>fakevideo button>click>weird video page>click and pause to wait for it to load.
Yeah, but the shirt is from Sonatine, so you get a free pass. If you wore a Hana-bi shirt, I might have sent you money.
I am incapable of pausing that video player at the end to read the text due to me being slowwwww reader. Nice video though.
I guess I don't understand why you didn't want to mention Alyx or Jade, was it because you would've had a MUCH longer video if you included them in your rant?
http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1
If you're curious about Transformers 2, that link describes all the wrongness in the best format ever.
If you're curious about Transformers 2, that link describes all the wrongness in the best format ever.
Nice. I had a good laugh.
Also, independent of Bayonetta's status as a very erotic figure, the game is fun to play. This cannot be said for Tomb Raider (for most people).
Also, independent of Bayonetta's status as a very erotic figure, the game is fun to play. This cannot be said for Tomb Raider (for most people).
To give Eidos some credit, they did attempt to buck the curve way back in the day with Urban Chaos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Chaos
After that game flopped, they played it safe with Lara again. I remember the devs making a big fuss about how Darci Stern was a deep character, with a real sense of morals and justice...oh and she was black. Eidos pushed this on a lot of UK magazines, but nobody bought the damn game (and it had the worst PS1 port ever made).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Chaos
After that game flopped, they played it safe with Lara again. I remember the devs making a big fuss about how Darci Stern was a deep character, with a real sense of morals and justice...oh and she was black. Eidos pushed this on a lot of UK magazines, but nobody bought the damn game (and it had the worst PS1 port ever made).
I can't seem to view the video... it just takes me to a different page. Is it my browser? (I'm on firefox)
By the time Lara Croft got to her fourth or fifth game, you could tell the developers focused on trying to make her look as sexy as they could. What bothers me is that it's obvious they're trying to sell her body as much as they can, everyone should know that by this point, but the developers are inclined to make her look good and be serious at the same time. This is bad because the character is trying to do so much at once, but not doing a good job at appealing to either audience.
Okay, maybe a little for the audience who want something to look at, because you just look and don't have to delve into her story and everything, but I digress. It's a poor thing for developers to try and do, when I think it's better for them to focus on one audience.
Also, I feel like this coincides a little with your anti-heroes rant when you said that anti-heroes should be just that rather than have the developers pretend that they're a messiah to the people and whatnot.
Okay, maybe a little for the audience who want something to look at, because you just look and don't have to delve into her story and everything, but I digress. It's a poor thing for developers to try and do, when I think it's better for them to focus on one audience.
Also, I feel like this coincides a little with your anti-heroes rant when you said that anti-heroes should be just that rather than have the developers pretend that they're a messiah to the people and whatnot.
Haha, loved the ending. And nice rant, too! Personally, my favorite female character in videogames is Samus Aran, and yeah, I know she doesn't talk a lot, but certain moments during the games made me really like her (sparing the last Metroid, saving the alien creatures as the planet is about to explode, etc).
I just hope in the new Metroid game, they'll be able to not use Samus's tits as a reson for me to like the character, even though she is pretty hot. But, the game is made by Team Ninja (and Nintendo), so I don't know what to expect.
I just hope in the new Metroid game, they'll be able to not use Samus's tits as a reson for me to like the character, even though she is pretty hot. But, the game is made by Team Ninja (and Nintendo), so I don't know what to expect.
Yeah, it's pretty annoying when you go into something thinking you're getting one thing, only to end up feeling like someone's trying to pander to you... it happens a lot when people who make shitty products need to get more attention without making a better product.
Worse, though, is when you have a really great product and it still somehow gets bogged down with tacky, attention-grabbing material.
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Worse, though, is when you have a really great product and it still somehow gets bogged down with tacky, attention-grabbing material.
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Anthony, you are so right about this topic. I can see right through this 'strong female character' bull.
If you excuse me, I'm going to drool over more Morrigan Aensland images.
If you excuse me, I'm going to drool over more Morrigan Aensland images.
Funny thing is Eidos initially called Tomb Raider's protagonist laura, but changed it to Lara for you americans. So you address her as Lara dammit.
Also abrupt ending was a bit of a shock felt like you had more to say.
Also abrupt ending was a bit of a shock felt like you had more to say.
Meh....just don't buy the boxom heroine == porn argument. I agree they are there simply as male bait, but I've seriously never considered masterbating to a video game. I appreciate a well rounded female video game character and maybe even sported a shameless stiffy from a few, but I just don't equpate them to the same thing at all.
I'll admint I haven't watched a real porn movie in a while, but when did they stop using the pretense of some stupid story in it?
I'll admint I haven't watched a real porn movie in a while, but when did they stop using the pretense of some stupid story in it?
Lara croft is a joke of a character, this is a fact that has been established for awhile now. Only idiots argue for the contrary.
Not only are you wearing a T-shirt, but you're wearing a T-shirt with your old Internet avatar on it. I thought only Toneman could pull that off.
A lot of JRPG's seem to actually have strong female characters who serve more of a purpose than intractable porn.
@ BenHaskett
Exactly! What the hell does bakeware have to do with gaming, even if
you do get 1 free?
Exactly! What the hell does bakeware have to do with gaming, even if
you do get 1 free?
Haha, you're yell a the end made me jump out of my freakin' skin...
Whenever one of these "something's wrong" situations comes about in conversation, I think it's important to point out the way that it can be improved (yes, being "honest" is better, but that doesn't mean it is the ideal).
Where do characters like Princess Peach fit into this mold, where her sexuality is left by the wayside due to the cartoony nature of her appearance for a more general view of femininity? Is there anything particularly honest or dishonest about the way she is portrayed?
Princess Zelda is also an interesting example... by all means, she is an attractive, less cartoony character than Peach. However, she is also more revered and lacks that purely sexual element about her. She also has at least two instances through (spoilers) Tetra and Sheik were she taps into much more typically masculine characteristics.
Finally, take Shiki from The World Ends With You as an example of a character who is physically, mentally, and emotionally within the confines of what a real female could be with very minimal hyperbole. She certainly has feminine characteristics, such as a heightened sense of fashion, but her mannerisms are not exaggerated beyond those of a real person (okay, maybe her waist is a little Barbie-esque, but the point stands).
I suppose I bring up these three examples because they are overtly feminine characters, that can be considered attractive without a sexual element coming into play, unless you're specifically trying to find it. Rather than throwing sex into hyperbole, it would be interesting to see a game that challenged the sex appeal of the character against their world. Perhaps a make-your-own character game where the more attractive your character is, the less intelligent they are perceived by NPCs but the better able they are to win people over.
I don't know. Fascinating rant though.
Whenever one of these "something's wrong" situations comes about in conversation, I think it's important to point out the way that it can be improved (yes, being "honest" is better, but that doesn't mean it is the ideal).
Where do characters like Princess Peach fit into this mold, where her sexuality is left by the wayside due to the cartoony nature of her appearance for a more general view of femininity? Is there anything particularly honest or dishonest about the way she is portrayed?
Princess Zelda is also an interesting example... by all means, she is an attractive, less cartoony character than Peach. However, she is also more revered and lacks that purely sexual element about her. She also has at least two instances through (spoilers) Tetra and Sheik were she taps into much more typically masculine characteristics.
Finally, take Shiki from The World Ends With You as an example of a character who is physically, mentally, and emotionally within the confines of what a real female could be with very minimal hyperbole. She certainly has feminine characteristics, such as a heightened sense of fashion, but her mannerisms are not exaggerated beyond those of a real person (okay, maybe her waist is a little Barbie-esque, but the point stands).
I suppose I bring up these three examples because they are overtly feminine characters, that can be considered attractive without a sexual element coming into play, unless you're specifically trying to find it. Rather than throwing sex into hyperbole, it would be interesting to see a game that challenged the sex appeal of the character against their world. Perhaps a make-your-own character game where the more attractive your character is, the less intelligent they are perceived by NPCs but the better able they are to win people over.
I don't know. Fascinating rant though.
You want little to non-sexualized, respectable female characters by the buttload? Look to doujin shmup series Touhou. Yes, their characters are the cute moe types(and they're ALL females, mind you), but they have just enough personality to make them stand out - with the easiest examples being mainstay heroines Reimu(RAY-moo) and Marisa(MAH-ree-sa). Calling their characters wardrobes tasteful or classy is an understatement; the most "revealing" clothing is worn by only a few characters as Yukari and Sakuya.
Another great example: characters from the ultra-popular Type-Moon visual novels. Yes, visual novels are still games. But Type-Moon treats its ladies like real people; each heroine they created has become fan favorites among those who know them. For example: Saber - the knight heroine from Fate/Stay Night and the PSP sequel fighter Fate/Unlimited Codes; Pretty unusual for a girl in video games to have armor that actually COVERS EVERYTHING BUT THE FACE(instead of the obvious opposite)! As I've said; this shows how much work Type-Moon put into their girls to make them more than mere Titillation.
Another great example: characters from the ultra-popular Type-Moon visual novels. Yes, visual novels are still games. But Type-Moon treats its ladies like real people; each heroine they created has become fan favorites among those who know them. For example: Saber - the knight heroine from Fate/Stay Night and the PSP sequel fighter Fate/Unlimited Codes; Pretty unusual for a girl in video games to have armor that actually COVERS EVERYTHING BUT THE FACE(instead of the obvious opposite)! As I've said; this shows how much work Type-Moon put into their girls to make them more than mere Titillation.
well I'd rather there be good looking characters in games than not.
who wants to play a game full of ugly characters?
who wants to play a game full of ugly characters?
I think you're spot on.
If you're going to include a overly sexualized female character in your game to make it more marketable and sell more units, then fine; Go right ahead; But don't in the breath turn around and try to sell that as strong female role model so that women will be included in the potential market.
That's bullshit and everyone knows it.
Same thing applies to male characters. If you make a guy who is nothing but muscles on muscles and who's only goal is to single handily kill everything in sight, then don't try to play him off as some sympathetic tragic hero; That shit doesn't fly.
If you're appealing to the lowest common denominator (usually sex and/or violence) then say so! Don't try to use it to sell your shitty half-hearted story to us!
If you're going to include a overly sexualized female character in your game to make it more marketable and sell more units, then fine; Go right ahead; But don't in the breath turn around and try to sell that as strong female role model so that women will be included in the potential market.
That's bullshit and everyone knows it.
Same thing applies to male characters. If you make a guy who is nothing but muscles on muscles and who's only goal is to single handily kill everything in sight, then don't try to play him off as some sympathetic tragic hero; That shit doesn't fly.
If you're appealing to the lowest common denominator (usually sex and/or violence) then say so! Don't try to use it to sell your shitty half-hearted story to us!
This is the problem I see with the points in this vid.:
The Rev seems to be saying it’s better to be authentically “bad” than try to be “good” and fail at it.
Yeh, a lot of devs try to make female characters have it all, making them seem like they should be commuting between the PB mansion, Harvard, and being a volunteer at the local soup kitchen (or whatever). Most of the time they fail, but I rather have a character that has tried to be made into something more than a killing machine with breasts (KMWB) and failed, than a one dimensional KMWB.
The problem, in most cases, is not one of authenticity (as if they are somehow trying to deceive you), but one of execution. Forming fully functional characters in any media is difficult, and even more so in video games where game play, and often giving consumers a hook to buy one game over another, has to take presence over story.
The Rev seems to be saying it’s better to be authentically “bad” than try to be “good” and fail at it.
Yeh, a lot of devs try to make female characters have it all, making them seem like they should be commuting between the PB mansion, Harvard, and being a volunteer at the local soup kitchen (or whatever). Most of the time they fail, but I rather have a character that has tried to be made into something more than a killing machine with breasts (KMWB) and failed, than a one dimensional KMWB.
The problem, in most cases, is not one of authenticity (as if they are somehow trying to deceive you), but one of execution. Forming fully functional characters in any media is difficult, and even more so in video games where game play, and often giving consumers a hook to buy one game over another, has to take presence over story.
isnt anyone going to mention the incredibly sexist screw attack top 10 "top 10 ugly chicks in gaming"?
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