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Turbo retarded?
That sounds pretty intense.
"I'm sorry ma'am, but your son has Turbo Retardation. This means there is never a circumstance where he will not be ACTIVELY retarded. Unlike other boys who might sit and watch TV or play games quietly on occasion, your son would likely prefer to scoop toothpaste with a melon-baller onto your cat and then try to sit on it."
That sounds pretty intense.
"I'm sorry ma'am, but your son has Turbo Retardation. This means there is never a circumstance where he will not be ACTIVELY retarded. Unlike other boys who might sit and watch TV or play games quietly on occasion, your son would likely prefer to scoop toothpaste with a melon-baller onto your cat and then try to sit on it."
Cool rant. I'm currently addicted to Arkham Asylum so I'm very interested to see what happens, especially when you let slip that "what the Joker did to himself".
Even if the ending totally sucks balls, it's still a freaking awesome game.
Even if the ending totally sucks balls, it's still a freaking awesome game.
Well, everything is in order here. Great rant. I liked th-...wait...something is not right...my neck is twitching...NO!
Oh well. Good to see you on screen again, at least.
It irks me when a character changes everything they stand for just to meet some specific ending.
Oh well. Good to see you on screen again, at least.
It irks me when a character changes everything they stand for just to meet some specific ending.
He is right, the ending made little sense. It is nice to hear someone else who agrees that The Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction IS the greatest super-hero game ever....followed closely (IMO) by THQ's The Punisher....Batman simply tied Wolverine and Spidey: Web of Shadows; all of which are very good super-hero games that fall just short of the top rank.
I agree, as the real Joker would never do something so silly. Still not as bad as RE5's awful ending. "CHRRIIIIIIIIIISSS!!!"
The ending wasn't bad enough to warrant that many words. It was a little goofy, but not terrible.
What exactly about the Joker would prevent him from doing something completely insane and getting his ass handed to him by Batman?
What exactly about the Joker would prevent him from doing something completely insane and getting his ass handed to him by Batman?
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You guys need to put your vids back on youtube. My computer is crying, even at the lowest settings.
You guys need to put your vids back on youtube. My computer is crying, even at the lowest settings.
They should have done something with it like they did Scarecrow. It's kinda a shame that a more or less forgotten character like Scarecrow gets treated with so much more style and class than the Joker.
@brandon
If he were going to use it on himself, why inject his flunkies with it? Why wait so long to use it? And after injecting himself with “venom”, why call out minions to fight Batman when you have reached the proportions of the Wendigo? That's not the Joker's M.O. He has goons fight for him. While he can be a dangerous villain for regular schmucks, he is quite cowardly when facing actual "heroes". Don’t confuse the “movie Joker” with the actually Joker….he ain’t a fighter and that's why I thought the PS3 exclusive was a bit silly….but, I knew that they would be able to cash in on the popularity of the recent movie.
If he were going to use it on himself, why inject his flunkies with it? Why wait so long to use it? And after injecting himself with “venom”, why call out minions to fight Batman when you have reached the proportions of the Wendigo? That's not the Joker's M.O. He has goons fight for him. While he can be a dangerous villain for regular schmucks, he is quite cowardly when facing actual "heroes". Don’t confuse the “movie Joker” with the actually Joker….he ain’t a fighter and that's why I thought the PS3 exclusive was a bit silly….but, I knew that they would be able to cash in on the popularity of the recent movie.
@Gamera
"If he were going to use it on himself, why inject his flunkies with it? Why wait so long to use it?"
Well that's an easy one. He wanted Bats to suffer: he even states his line from The Killing Joke at the end, "I just wanted you to have one bad day!" When he realized Batman wasn't phased, he gave up and injected himself. That's perfectly understandable: it's how the actual fight ended up that sucked.
If Batman injected Joker with the antidote as well as himself, but was taken aback for enough time for Joker to call in a last bossfight (Clayface), it would have been perfect.
"If he were going to use it on himself, why inject his flunkies with it? Why wait so long to use it?"
Well that's an easy one. He wanted Bats to suffer: he even states his line from The Killing Joke at the end, "I just wanted you to have one bad day!" When he realized Batman wasn't phased, he gave up and injected himself. That's perfectly understandable: it's how the actual fight ended up that sucked.
If Batman injected Joker with the antidote as well as himself, but was taken aback for enough time for Joker to call in a last bossfight (Clayface), it would have been perfect.
Kinda random, but I hate it when your hand goes of the camera, and your hand disappears in the middle of the screen.
Besides that nitpic, good rant.
Besides that nitpic, good rant.
MY POST CONTAINS SPOILERS!
You know, i actually liked the cut scene alot. i thought it had a strong impact on your senses "i just wanted to best you just once, I dont have anything to live for" *pulls trigger
whoa.
But yes the actually FIGHT just doesnt fit. I felt actually felt a quick time event boss fight like Uncharted would have been PERFECT.
You know, i actually liked the cut scene alot. i thought it had a strong impact on your senses "i just wanted to best you just once, I dont have anything to live for" *pulls trigger
whoa.
But yes the actually FIGHT just doesnt fit. I felt actually felt a quick time event boss fight like Uncharted would have been PERFECT.
I disagree with your rant, mostly because the basis for your argument is invalid. The Joker has been all sorts of things throughout the Batman series, from crazy to funny to deadly to downright idiotic. While it's true that Batman is usually the physically superior character, and that their battle is usually one of the mind, that's usually because the Joker is good at playing trump cards that invalidate Batman's physical prowess. In this regard, I think the ending of the game is highly appropriate and worked really well. It carries through the plot thread that's running throughout the game, and works well in terms of the gameplay.
Yeah, I don't see it as so unbelievable that the Joker would do that. I think this is definitely one of those situations where the community of fans think they understand a character more than they actually do. If the Joker did something that was honestly altruistic? That would be breaking his character. Doing something that lets him beat the crap out of Bats? Totally believable.
But at the same time, you came out of Prototype thinking that you were a 'hero in the cutscene, hitler in the gameplay' character, so I would imagine we have wildly different points of view.
Yeah, I don't see it as so unbelievable that the Joker would do that. I think this is definitely one of those situations where the community of fans think they understand a character more than they actually do. If the Joker did something that was honestly altruistic? That would be breaking his character. Doing something that lets him beat the crap out of Bats? Totally believable.
But at the same time, you came out of Prototype thinking that you were a 'hero in the cutscene, hitler in the gameplay' character, so I would imagine we have wildly different points of view.
@magnalon
I didn’t do this with my other messages, but I should have…..SPOILER ALERT
I don't buy it. The Joker doesn't fight unless it's a child (Jason Todd: A Death in The Family) or someone he has a clear advantage over such as an aging Batman (The Dark Knight) or a civilian Batgirl (The Killing Joke). The impression that I got from the "rant" was that these actions were not representative of the Joker's character (why else would he bring up Wallace from Half-life)and I wholly agree. It was almost as though the developers realized their mistake half way through creating the ending fight sequence. After tagging the Joker a few times he retreats to a platform and calls his minions….then never engages in fisticuffs with you again. Makes NO sense within the scenario they had just set up nor does it make any sense regarding what we know from reading Bat-books.
I didn’t do this with my other messages, but I should have…..SPOILER ALERT
I don't buy it. The Joker doesn't fight unless it's a child (Jason Todd: A Death in The Family) or someone he has a clear advantage over such as an aging Batman (The Dark Knight) or a civilian Batgirl (The Killing Joke). The impression that I got from the "rant" was that these actions were not representative of the Joker's character (why else would he bring up Wallace from Half-life)and I wholly agree. It was almost as though the developers realized their mistake half way through creating the ending fight sequence. After tagging the Joker a few times he retreats to a platform and calls his minions….then never engages in fisticuffs with you again. Makes NO sense within the scenario they had just set up nor does it make any sense regarding what we know from reading Bat-books.
Yep, that's pretty much what I thought.
ugh are you just not gonna be posting the rev rants on youtube anymore? my computer has some dumb shit where i cant' update the flash player so i can basically only watch youtube videos.
please put it on youtube?
please put it on youtube?
I'd say that Arkham Asylum is still better than Hulk: Ultimate Destruction though. Hulk had a fun game mechanic, but outside of that it was pretty poor.
I don't get what all of the fuss is about and I've read the comics for years. At the end of the day Batman: AA is a video game and many parts of the game were very "game-y" such as swinging from gargoyle to gargoyle to lose your enemies. Regardless of whether or not the ending disappointed you, Batman: AA was a fantastic game and it has raised the bar for comic book games in the future. That, I feel, is what we should be talking about.
*DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU DON'T WANT SPOILERS*
My only complaint with the final boss fight was that it was too easy for a final boss fight. The fight right before that against Poison Ivy is way harder.
In my opinion, that's exactly like something that the Joker would do. I even predicted that that's what would happen once I figured out the basic plot of the game. To me he was smart and calculating. He had been planning that moment through out the entire game. He sent a tape to Gotham news stations telling them to look on the roof to witness the demise of Batman. And the way he shot Batman with the Titan dart was great. He aimed it at Commissioner Gordon knowing that Batman would jump in front of it. If he had tried to shoot Batman directly, Batman would have avoided it. His plan the whole time was to end with "two freaks in a fight to the death." Of course, that didn't happen, because Batman used the antidote on himself.
I've seen some people compare it to what they did with Deadpool in the Wolverine movie. To me, that was different. The problem with Deadpool was that they took a character who's known for his personality and completely stripped him of his personality. They didn't do that with Joker. He was still the Joker, and he was still just as funny and clever as before. So I didn't have a problem with it, I just wish that they would have made the actual boss fight itself a little better. You only have to hit the Joker 3 times to beat him. You spend most of the time fighting his goons. If the whole point of him transforming was so that he could fight Batman, why is he still having his goons do the fighting for him?
By the way, did Titan Joker seem like a Crash Bandicoot boss fight to anyone else?
My only complaint with the final boss fight was that it was too easy for a final boss fight. The fight right before that against Poison Ivy is way harder.
In my opinion, that's exactly like something that the Joker would do. I even predicted that that's what would happen once I figured out the basic plot of the game. To me he was smart and calculating. He had been planning that moment through out the entire game. He sent a tape to Gotham news stations telling them to look on the roof to witness the demise of Batman. And the way he shot Batman with the Titan dart was great. He aimed it at Commissioner Gordon knowing that Batman would jump in front of it. If he had tried to shoot Batman directly, Batman would have avoided it. His plan the whole time was to end with "two freaks in a fight to the death." Of course, that didn't happen, because Batman used the antidote on himself.
I've seen some people compare it to what they did with Deadpool in the Wolverine movie. To me, that was different. The problem with Deadpool was that they took a character who's known for his personality and completely stripped him of his personality. They didn't do that with Joker. He was still the Joker, and he was still just as funny and clever as before. So I didn't have a problem with it, I just wish that they would have made the actual boss fight itself a little better. You only have to hit the Joker 3 times to beat him. You spend most of the time fighting his goons. If the whole point of him transforming was so that he could fight Batman, why is he still having his goons do the fighting for him?
By the way, did Titan Joker seem like a Crash Bandicoot boss fight to anyone else?
I love how a Gilette add shows up right before the video.
Glad to see you adress the divide between gameplay and narrative. I hate it when a character's flashiest moves are only shown in the cutscenes, or when you kick the boss' ass, only for you to get owned as soon as they take the controls away. Why not have an impossible boss fight that actually tortures you as the character?
Glad to see you adress the divide between gameplay and narrative. I hate it when a character's flashiest moves are only shown in the cutscenes, or when you kick the boss' ass, only for you to get owned as soon as they take the controls away. Why not have an impossible boss fight that actually tortures you as the character?
My confusion with your rants is they are always about games that are generally excellent. Sure fallout 3's ending was awful but it was still my fav game of the past 2 years. Why not choose games that have poor story’s overall instead of excellent games which have one or 2 flaws that you hone in on. I could name 30 or 40 games that disserve some kind of rant or bashing, and batman would most definitely not be one of them.
Batman had one of the most immersive and well written story’s that felt linked to the game play. My problem is these rants may turn off gamers who will think this game sucks because of this.
Batman had one of the most immersive and well written story’s that felt linked to the game play. My problem is these rants may turn off gamers who will think this game sucks because of this.
mrplow8:"In my opinion, that's exactly like something that the Joker would do. I even predicted that that's what would happen once I figured out the basic plot of the game. To me he was smart and calculating. He had been planning that moment through out the entire game. He sent a tape to Gotham news stations telling them to look on the roof to witness the demise of Batman. And the way he shot Batman with the Titan dart was great. He aimed it at Commissioner Gordon knowing that Batman would jump in front of it. If he had tried to shoot Batman directly, Batman would have avoided it. His plan the whole time was to end with "two freaks in a fight to the death." Of course, that didn't happen, because Batman used the antidote on himself."
Agree 100% with this. The Joker would absolutely LOVE a televised fight with Batman as a horrible monster, and Batman would rather get killed at the hands of the Joker instead of allowing his plans to play out. Fuck..I though the end was fantastic.
Also, I agree with darkopiate. Ranting about B:AA is kind of ridiculous. Maybe someone will make a pretentious, indie Batman "game" with no real gameplay or story and 8-bit graphics of which you can extol the virtues.
Agree 100% with this. The Joker would absolutely LOVE a televised fight with Batman as a horrible monster, and Batman would rather get killed at the hands of the Joker instead of allowing his plans to play out. Fuck..I though the end was fantastic.
Also, I agree with darkopiate. Ranting about B:AA is kind of ridiculous. Maybe someone will make a pretentious, indie Batman "game" with no real gameplay or story and 8-bit graphics of which you can extol the virtues.
@darkiopate
Well it's because it's not much of a "rant" if it's going to be something that everyone already knows is total shit.
It's more interesting, and eye-opening to have a different more critical point of view on generally good games that may or may not be popular than to always rant on games everyone knows already that made mistakes.
He never says the games or game idea's he rants against totally sucks, he just acts as a devil's advocate and brings the topic of wheather or not it could have been done better.
Just because a game is really popular and good overall doesn't mean it gets a free pass from criticism on problems the game had that didn't make it as good as it could have ;)
You learn from the best and you also learn from your mistakes.
Well it's because it's not much of a "rant" if it's going to be something that everyone already knows is total shit.
It's more interesting, and eye-opening to have a different more critical point of view on generally good games that may or may not be popular than to always rant on games everyone knows already that made mistakes.
He never says the games or game idea's he rants against totally sucks, he just acts as a devil's advocate and brings the topic of wheather or not it could have been done better.
Just because a game is really popular and good overall doesn't mean it gets a free pass from criticism on problems the game had that didn't make it as good as it could have ;)
You learn from the best and you also learn from your mistakes.
I can see both sides here. I can see where it didn't make sense and my first time finishing the game I thought "well that was to easy and a little odd." But after watching this another thought came about. The Joker planned all this out from the start, he is a schemer after all.
He started the plot in motion before he got captured, he knew of the formula and what it was capable of. So what does he do? He breaks out, gets easily captured to lure Bats into Arkham thinking something is wrong. Joker breaks free and what happens...Bats has to fight his way through all the super villans, well not all but you get the idea, in one place. Its not all spread out over a city or one every once in a while, he gets them all in 1 fucking night, in a confined space. Its the reason why the Joker was always stalling Batman trying to misdirect him, why? Because at the end of it all he would have his formula, and the possibility of a wounded and tired Batman to pick on. Everything else he tried on Bats didn't seem to work so why not try the other end of the spectrum? He knows Batman has rules that he won't break, he knows that Bats won't kill him in cold blood, so what does he have to lose? More time on a life sentence?
I'm not convinced that he would, but keep in mind this is the Joker, the emboidment of chaos, everything is possible.
He started the plot in motion before he got captured, he knew of the formula and what it was capable of. So what does he do? He breaks out, gets easily captured to lure Bats into Arkham thinking something is wrong. Joker breaks free and what happens...Bats has to fight his way through all the super villans, well not all but you get the idea, in one place. Its not all spread out over a city or one every once in a while, he gets them all in 1 fucking night, in a confined space. Its the reason why the Joker was always stalling Batman trying to misdirect him, why? Because at the end of it all he would have his formula, and the possibility of a wounded and tired Batman to pick on. Everything else he tried on Bats didn't seem to work so why not try the other end of the spectrum? He knows Batman has rules that he won't break, he knows that Bats won't kill him in cold blood, so what does he have to lose? More time on a life sentence?
I'm not convinced that he would, but keep in mind this is the Joker, the emboidment of chaos, everything is possible.
Damn it damn it damn it. I'm gonna have to finish Arkham Asylumn before I let myself watch this. Let alone the Fallout 3 rant... miles away from watching that one.
I know it says the spoilers are minor but I get paranoid about these things. :(
I know it says the spoilers are minor but I get paranoid about these things. :(
no more beard? all your points are made invalid since your Beard of Authority is gone.
jk
It's very unfortunate when a developer builds and creates characters and gameplay mechanics which mesh wonderfully...only to toss them aside in the end for the "epic" final boss fight. It's a damn shame they end of wasting all that time and effort for a ho hum generic ending.
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It's very unfortunate when a developer builds and creates characters and gameplay mechanics which mesh wonderfully...only to toss them aside in the end for the "epic" final boss fight. It's a damn shame they end of wasting all that time and effort for a ho hum generic ending.
I'd have much preferred if the ending just stopped with Joker throwing Bats the party, rather than the tying-up-loose-ends bossfight. The entire Venom/Titan side plot as a whole should have just been the Joker screwing around with Batman to keep him busy and in the dark to his true goals. Just imagine how it would have felt to have walked through the hallway of applauding goons and step into a room with every villain you've faced (and thought you'd bested) so far in the game. Your stomach would drop. Completely. You wouldn't know what the fuck was about to happen -- but rather than attacking you, they'd just start clapping, and out would come the Joker to reveal that the entire game thus far has been one giant fuck around on your behalf. The player would immediately feel violated and used as it dawns on them that they've done exactly what the Joker wanted all along. After all, for the past 8 or more hours you thought you'd been fighting to secure Arkham and protect Gotham, but all you've really done is play into Joker's grand distraction. Nothing more, nothing less.
So what would happen next? Easy. The Joker holds out his hands and surrenders. Everyone surrenders. Even Croc. Five seconds later, as Batman looks around bewildered, hundreds of cops and guards burst in and arrest everyone. As the Joker's lead out of the room, he'd make some casual comment about Batman 'visiting again sometime'. The camera would cut back to Bats as he looks around at all the welcoming banners as the Commissioner thanks him, and then back to Joker. It lingers on the guard escorting him. Through his helmet, we see a scar down the right side of his face. Wait... is that Frank Boles? Joker smiles slyly.
Cut to black. Roll credits.
So what would happen next? Easy. The Joker holds out his hands and surrenders. Everyone surrenders. Even Croc. Five seconds later, as Batman looks around bewildered, hundreds of cops and guards burst in and arrest everyone. As the Joker's lead out of the room, he'd make some casual comment about Batman 'visiting again sometime'. The camera would cut back to Bats as he looks around at all the welcoming banners as the Commissioner thanks him, and then back to Joker. It lingers on the guard escorting him. Through his helmet, we see a scar down the right side of his face. Wait... is that Frank Boles? Joker smiles slyly.
Cut to black. Roll credits.
I both agree and disagree with you. On one end of the spectrum Joker's final actions did seem a bit unlike him, but then at the same time.... Given everything that happened in the game it seemed only logical that he would choose that course of action.
He was very calculating throughout the whole game. Everything that happened from the moment you bring him back to the asylum in the beginning of the game he has pretty much schemed. The action he takes in the end of the game seemed (to me) like the last act of a desperate man. He knew he had no other options to win so he did something that seemed a bit out of character. Part of me felt it was a little odd, but the larger part thought it seemed fitting that he would take the "if you want it done right, do it yourself" approach when he had no other options.
Perhaps what would've been more fitting is if... while trying to attack Batman with his special projectile weapon (trying to avoid major spoilers)... Batman blocked the shot his wrist armor and the projectile ricochets and winds up hitting Joker... triggering the final boss battle. I think perhaps a simple change in the way it happened may have made it more... palatable to those who feel the ending wasn't really in line with what the joker's character and what he would've done.
He was very calculating throughout the whole game. Everything that happened from the moment you bring him back to the asylum in the beginning of the game he has pretty much schemed. The action he takes in the end of the game seemed (to me) like the last act of a desperate man. He knew he had no other options to win so he did something that seemed a bit out of character. Part of me felt it was a little odd, but the larger part thought it seemed fitting that he would take the "if you want it done right, do it yourself" approach when he had no other options.
Perhaps what would've been more fitting is if... while trying to attack Batman with his special projectile weapon (trying to avoid major spoilers)... Batman blocked the shot his wrist armor and the projectile ricochets and winds up hitting Joker... triggering the final boss battle. I think perhaps a simple change in the way it happened may have made it more... palatable to those who feel the ending wasn't really in line with what the joker's character and what he would've done.
The new player is not working properly. Now I want this game even more... The joker did something to himself...
New video worked fine for me. Just let it load a bit ahead of playback and it worked fine. As for the topic... completely agree. The end bummed me out. I had a cblog in the works for the game but the ending pissed me off and I need to rewrite it from scratch. I woulda loved to just punch him in the face after a huge stealth challenge and have that be it. Even a short QTE woulda been more appreciated.
At least the rest of the game kicked ass. Gotta thank Rocksteady for that.
At least the rest of the game kicked ass. Gotta thank Rocksteady for that.
What a ludicrously small gripe to have created a video for.
With a game as excellent as Arkham Asylum, I can easily forgive a couple of trite gameplay techniques here and there for boss fights and the like. I've lost count of the number of villains that seem to take 3 identical attack patterns to put down.
But to criticise the ending for it being 'out of character' seems bizarre. Firstly The Joker is a fictional character, as much as you may think he means something to you, he is an invention of a mortal's mind, shaped through hundreds of different writers. In fact it is one of those writers, Paul Dini, who has penned this scenario.
*oh yeah, spoilers lay in wait*
From my limited experience of the Joker, I see him as an agent of chaos, concocting immense plans and schemes to bring about the greatest level of mayhem. We definitely see this side of him in Arkham Asylum, a brilliant ploy to topple the asylum and destroy Gotham. As Batman consistently manages to halt the plans, even down to resisting the titan formula, Joker mockingly 'gives up' and feigns suicide with the injector. As the final act of a desperate criminal, turning the formula on himself seems appropriate, especially as it is guaranteed to bring about more choas and mayhem.
The actual boss fight shows more of Jokers desire for bedlam, taunting the news helicopter and viewers back in Gotham instead of using his new form to get down and dirty to do away with Batman himself.
Yes the ending could have been handled much better, the fight itself is incredibly tedious and anybody that has played a few of the challenge rooms will have absolutely no trouble with it. That however, is the only criticism I feel is vaild. After all, this scenario was written by a man who has won Eisners and Harvey awards for his Batman work, who are we to say he has betrayed the Joker's remit
With a game as excellent as Arkham Asylum, I can easily forgive a couple of trite gameplay techniques here and there for boss fights and the like. I've lost count of the number of villains that seem to take 3 identical attack patterns to put down.
But to criticise the ending for it being 'out of character' seems bizarre. Firstly The Joker is a fictional character, as much as you may think he means something to you, he is an invention of a mortal's mind, shaped through hundreds of different writers. In fact it is one of those writers, Paul Dini, who has penned this scenario.
*oh yeah, spoilers lay in wait*
From my limited experience of the Joker, I see him as an agent of chaos, concocting immense plans and schemes to bring about the greatest level of mayhem. We definitely see this side of him in Arkham Asylum, a brilliant ploy to topple the asylum and destroy Gotham. As Batman consistently manages to halt the plans, even down to resisting the titan formula, Joker mockingly 'gives up' and feigns suicide with the injector. As the final act of a desperate criminal, turning the formula on himself seems appropriate, especially as it is guaranteed to bring about more choas and mayhem.
The actual boss fight shows more of Jokers desire for bedlam, taunting the news helicopter and viewers back in Gotham instead of using his new form to get down and dirty to do away with Batman himself.
Yes the ending could have been handled much better, the fight itself is incredibly tedious and anybody that has played a few of the challenge rooms will have absolutely no trouble with it. That however, is the only criticism I feel is vaild. After all, this scenario was written by a man who has won Eisners and Harvey awards for his Batman work, who are we to say he has betrayed the Joker's remit
Hay remember spider-man 2? remember how mysterios earlier levels where? how epic they where? Then you stop him from robing a grociery store with one hit? that was true to the character. in arkham they could of had something like that or cooler. it would be one of those times when batman is hunting the joker in a black dark room and just hiting him to mock him and stuff. get it?
I second/third/fourth the idea of putting the Dtoid videos back on YouTube. It's killing my framerate to watch it this way.
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