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RetroforceGO! records episode 81 tonight: Retro Limbo #3: The Ocarina of Time photo

You may have noticed that we missed our usual slot for a Retro Limbo episode last week in order to celebrate the pristine glory of the Street Fighter franchise. Let's pretend this week's show number is an even ten and we'll get on with our Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time episode.

Oh, and did I mention Dyson is back?

He is. He'll be joining us tonight for his illustrious return as we discuss Link's first 3D adventure, and the game that many people regard as the greatest thing to happen since the invention of the waffle. We'll also be announcing the winner of our Bionic Commando lunchbox contest, so that all adds up to make this week's show three times as awesome. Join us for that, and leave us your questions in the comments, eh?








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Pime Taradox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:46
Pime Taradox
Whoo! Dyson returns to make RetroForce whole once again! Oh, what crazy antics will we hear about him being up to?

Anyway, my question is: In Ocarina of Time, there were many girls that seemed to be interested in Link. Who does everyone think would be the best match for him?

Also, yay! First question I've ever asked!
Halidar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:47
Halidar
I guess the most obvious question would be, "What do you think the most memorable moment in OoT was?" For me it will always be Bongo Bongo's intro in the temple of shadows.

(ps. What did you think of Master Quest? That game was hard as fuck...)
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:49
Demtor
Hell yeah! Welcome back Dyson.
AlmightyTooth's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:51
AlmightyTooth
Why does Aaron Linde hate this game so much?

Dyson, Have there been any really good finds at the Good Will?
Zombutler's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:51
Zombutler
If OoT was the last installment in the Zelda series, do you think the series would still be held with such high praise as it is today? Would you all still feel the same about the series? Would Nintendo still be as big a company as they are today, without the power of Zelda behind them, charging into the Gamecube/Wii era?
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:53
garison
Ocarina of Time > Majora's Mask?
Issun's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:55
Issun
What do you think was the most noticable change in the series (except 3D)?
In your top 10 Zelda games, in which place is it ?
Do you think that the gameplay brought with this episode can be considered out of date ?
Why is this game so awesome ?(in your opinion)
Also yay Dyson is back (any love for Pizza Rolls still ?)
Please note that this is my first post and I'm a french listener.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:57
eternalplayer2345
DYSON!!! I'm so glad your back! Though I sincerely hope its not because you laid off :(

Finding poe's soul does anyone actually like doing that.

Why do you think most people would agree that nintendo was able to perfectly transition zelda into 3d. How were they able to retain its zeldaness in your mind.

Did you honestly know what a ocarina was before you played this game because I didn't
Tdiddy9182's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:57
Tdiddy9182
What was your favorite dungeon? Also, do you think there is a special spot in hell reserved for the guy who designed the Water Temple?
Stella Wong's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:58
Stella Wong
you know when I played this game, all I could think about is that song that plays non stop when you're traveling through the lost woods.
Secret Cow's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:58
Secret Cow
When OOT came out, I remember a lot of people comparing it to Final Fantasy VII and the upcoming Final Fantasy VIII.

This seemed strange to me, because I've never considered the Zelda games to be RPGs, but I guess some people do.

There's so many different styles of gameplay in OOT, but what genre do you think it fits into best? RPG, action/adventure, puzzle, fishing sim, equestrian fantasy, whale spelunker?

My little brother played it purely as a dress-up game, just changing Link's clothes over and over and chasing people around town.
Issun's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 12:58
Issun
Do you think this episode still holds up to this date ?
Does the gameplay feels dated to you?
Issun's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:01
Issun
oops I posted the same questions because I thought they weren't posted ...
Dimly's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:01
Dimly
I never found all the Gold Skulltulas...

Am I a bad person?
d0nfil0fi0's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:02
d0nfil0fi0
I'm on of those guys who thinks that Ocarina of Time is the best game ever made, adn still holds up despite of its graphics. The gameplay was amawing from it's time, from little big details like the now famous Z Targeting, the use of Buttons as instant inventory, the extremely amazing boss battles, the open field that, even if it was pretty lifeless it gave you some sense of freedom, the use of music as a power, BOMCHUS, TONS of Sidequests and SO many different stages and places.

But I think that the best think about this game was the story. I think that Nintendo reached the top of his storytelling techniques on this game. Is was a solid realm, full of different races, characters that makes you feel you are in a place in which everybody seems to care about the others.

No other Nintendo game has ever achieved (and I think will never do) the level of excelence of storytelling made in Ocarina of Time. Of course, I'm not comparing it with stories of games like Final fantasy or Lost Odyssey,. but as far as Nintendo goes, you just can't get a better story. And accesible to people that, like me, hate playing games with menu based battles.

Also, the game has one of the best directed cutscenes ever, using just the technology and polygons available at that time. the moment when Link leaves the forest and Saria gives him the Ocarina it's so awesome that even know I cry when I see it.

Playing Ocarina of time only gives you more reasons to see why Twilight Princess was a fun game, but a very awfuk Zelda, just like RE4 is a hell of a game, but an awful Resident Evil.
Xaren's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:03
Xaren
@Aiya : This song was so gooddddd XD


And my question :

What did you thinkg of that !/$"/$ water temple ? I remember that the first time I tried that temple I kept getting stuck in the middle of it. Then I found that door right under the block I was standing on... Leading me to the fact that I really hated that game... and had an unconditionnal love for it.

What was your relation with the game ?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:03
Chris Carter
What's your favorite Ocarina tune from the game? (Hint: The Windmill one).
q-pa's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:04
q-pa
What did you guys make of the very ending, post-credits?

[SPOILERS]
When young Link, ignoring all the other creatures' partying, goes back to the castle garden to find young Zelda. How she turns to face him, and the scene freezes to black & white
[/SPOILERS]

Would that be an expression of love... or what else?
q-pa's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:04
q-pa
What did you guys make of the very ending, post-credits?

[SPOILERS]
When young Link, ignoring all the other creatures' partying, goes back to the castle garden to find young Zelda. How she turns to face him, and the scene freezes to black & white
[/SPOILERS]

Would that be an expression of love... or what else?
Madcow's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:04
Madcow
Hooray for Boob... i mean Dyson!

2 Questions, ja? :D

What is your most hated enemy in OoT? Maybe those deaf screaming zombies?
Did you think that OoC started the trend to make the water temples the most difficult one for all later Zelda games?

greetings from germany
welkstar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:04
welkstar
FUCK YES! DYSON!!! I can't wait to hear about new shenanigans. :)

Did you ever own an actual ocarina? I bought one of those Zelda rip-off ocarinas from the ads in Nintendo Power. It was surprisingly easy to learn how to play, and sounded spot on to the game. Until I dropped it.
Krow-Kupo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:04
Krow-Kupo
I was six years old around the time that The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time came out, so that marks me as one of the youngest people who frequents this site. I wouldn't play the game until a few years later, but the memories I have of it are near and dear to me heart.

I had recently discovered that my parents were alcoholics thanks to learning what beer and wine were, and I remember being devastated to know that at age nine I was more intelligent than my parents at night. The Ocarina of Time was my escape from them, a place where I would be appreciated for saving Hyrule. It's a landmark video game for me, probably the game that made me realize that the things I was playing were more than elaborate toys.

My question is this:

Did any of you have similar experiences with other Zelda titles, and would you count them as the videogames that helped make you a gamer?
Krow-Kupo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:05
Krow-Kupo
I guess I should add:

FUCK YEAH DYSON!
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:06
necrozen
Awesome, the team is back together again!

I don't have any questions today, just wanted to say I look forward to listening and keep up the great work!
d0nfil0fi0's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:07
d0nfil0fi0
Well, and now a proper question: How do you feel this games stands with other 3D Games transitions? Personally, I think that this one is the second best, only surpassed by the first Metroid Prime.

All this compared with Mario 64, which I think is not a great 3D Mario game (compared to Super Mario Galxy, which I think is the first 3D Mario Game, and it's AMAZING. And don't get me started about Sonic.
Overcow's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:09
Overcow
Of all the sword in OOT what your favourite one?
seifd's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:09
seifd
Link is seriously a pimp in this game. It seems that every woman he comes in contact with him kind of falls in love with him. Zelda, Saria, Malon, Ruto, they all make sense, but did you ever get the impression that Nabooru liked him too? She promises him "something great" if gets her the Silver Gauntlets and when he rescues her, she says "If I knew you'd grow up to be such a handsome man, I would've kept my promise". I'm just saying...
Corican's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:09
Corican
I love OOT, I can't wait for this show!
My question is:
Who was your favourite non-main character?
Mine was the Happy Mask Salesman.
Krow-Kupo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:10
Krow-Kupo
Fuck it, one more.

I just recently played through Majora's Mask and I thought that the developers had put a lot more feeling into it. The lives of the characters themselves seemed to take precedence over Link for the first time in the series. Did any of you play and enjoy Majora's Mask?

Also, do you name him Link or <Your Name>?
4knuckleshuffle's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:11
4knuckleshuffle
Preemptive "BEST EPISODE EVER! EVAR!".

Is there a 2d version out yet? I can't find it.

Also, should Nintendo do the next Zelda in this graphical style? I love the way OoT looks.

Isn't Dyson great? I missed listening to him. :3
wilbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:11
wilbo
saria, zelda or malon
hotter in their past or future versions?

Also, what is your favorite dungeon?
mines is the graveyard one where you have to keep using the lens of truth to see al the invisible stuff
Corican's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:12
Corican
@Krow : I always named my character 'Lunk'
I can't remember why. But I always have named my Zelda characters that... :)
d0nfil0fi0's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:12
d0nfil0fi0
And my last question (I have to get back to work, tee-hee):

Nintedo said that Twilight Princess was going to be the last game made in the style of Ocarina of Time. Since making the transition from 3D to 4D is not an option, How do you imagine it will be the next major Zelda Game? A First Person Adventure, as Miyamoto wanted Ocarina of Time to be? A multiplayer game? A swordfighting rhythm game? DISCUSS!!!
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:12
garison
Also, was I the only one who didn't hate the water temple?

For Topher:


For Colette:


For Stella:


For Chad:


For Dyson:
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:13
Char Aznable
DYSON, FUCK YEAH!

Could you guys bust out some singing and do your best interpretation of one of the ocarina songs from the game? If you had to create your own song, what would it be? I have a few suggestions:

Elegy of Pizza Rolls
Dirge of Dolphins
Mambo of Chocobos
Arpeggio of Ikaruga
Glissando of Quirky Rhythm Games That 5 People Have Ever Heard Of Outside of Japan

That was a stretch, I'll admit it.
AudioTerror's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:14
AudioTerror
Only one question:

DID ANYONE EVER FIND THAT F*CKING SINKING LURE?!

If yes, where did you find it? I don't think that damn thing existed. . . .
odber's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:15
odber
There have been a few projects to make Ocarina of time in 2d but have been shutdown by Nintendo. But there is still someone making one *hopes they finish it*. Your thoughts on it?

Here are some pictures of a deceased Oot2d:



Faceless's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:18
Faceless
I guess my question has less to do with Ocarina as a game and more to do with what it did for the series. Because of how old I was when I first played it (10 or so), and the fact that it took the Zelda series into 3d, the game as a whole blew my mind. It’s because of this reaction that even with later iterations in the series that are supposed to be more refined attempts at creating a 3d Zelda, I still like Ocarina more.

Also, the music in Ocarina, awesome or fantastic?

I remember reading reviews of Twilight Princess seeing people write that it was the “best Zelda yet,” but after playing through TP, I still thought OOT was better. Even though TP added to the 3d gameplay of OOT, I still somehow find it more refreshing to play then TP. It may have been technically “better,” but it felt a little stale. So I guess my question is this, which do you prefer in games, an initial innovation or its refinement?
Faceless's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:19
Faceless
Just a note, that sentence is not supposed to be between those two paragraphs. In case you couldn't tell.
pendelton21's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:20
pendelton21
Have any of you played/bought an actual ocarina, based solely on this game? I'm sure you've seen the ads in Nintendo Power for the company that sells all kidsn of ocarinas, including OoT-style ones. Ever shelled out the dough for one? Funny story; I have an aunt who used to play the ocarina. When I told her there was a game where ocarina-playing was a main mechanic, she became really interested, picked up a 64, and got into playing this, Majora's Mask, and Quest 64 (God help her). It always surprises me to see what'll get people drawn to video games.
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:22
Rainbowblack
Sadly OoT is the only Zelda Game I have never finished

I bought it on the VC only to realize the game sucks with a gamecube controller

guess I'll never beat that damned game
Drel's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:22
Drel
@Dyson

We all know you like pizza rolls I was wondering if you like calzones.
voidshadow's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:24
voidshadow
Sup Team Retroforce. When I was younger two things scared me away from the game. Of course, I am talking about the ReDeads and the Great Fairy. First off, when I first met the Great Fairy, she scared the hell out of me. Something about her appearance and her sound clip with the screaming laugh just sent chills down my spine. The ReDeads, however, actually scared me to the point where I couldn't finish the game. In fact, the first time I saw one latch onto me I turned the N64 off and threw the game across the room, never to be played again. I just wanted to share my LOZ:OoT experience with you guys.
Mikey's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:25
Mikey
CHAD!!!

What did the dolphin feel like?
Dr Andonuts's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:27
Dr Andonuts
In-game fishing: best mini-game ever?
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:27
garison
When you kill a bunch of enemies in a row, and they drop hearts even though you are full, do you pick them up anyway? Same goes for rupees, bombs, etc.
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:27
naia-the-gamer
First off HAI DYSON! <3

Now my question:

What is is about this game that makes you guys think this game counts as retro limbo? Aside from the graphics and the time that the game was made, The Wind Waker and TP played exactly the same at their core mechanics (I know there are differences, I don't want to get into a flame war here). All three games are great but not much is different from their modern counterparts.

Is this game REALLY neo-retro or retro limbo? And if it is, could we argue TWW and TP are also retro limbo?
Brian Keljore's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:28
Brian Keljore
After seeing the number of potential love interests Link could have in Ocarina of Time, did you think of Link as a pedo man slut?
Tascar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2009 13:29
Tascar
Perhaps what amazed me the most about "Ocarina of Time" was how much the game felt and played like "A Link to the Past" despite the move from 2-D to 3-D. Do you agree with this and why or why not do you think this is?

Let me give an example of what I mean. What concerned me the most was the way in which you would move in the 3rd dimension. For example, one of the things that really wracked my brain in "Super Mario 64" was how difficult it was to properly jump up to hit a block or jump on a Goomba, ridiculously easy tasks in 2D Mario games that I found very hard to do in 3D space. In OoT, jumping is easy because you essentially simply pick a direction, move forward, and the computer does the rest. Likewise, I think the slower pace of Zelda compared to Mario made it easier to just stop in the middle of a dungeon and look around the environment, simplifying what I saw as being a huge change from having everything observable to you in front of your face on the screen versus having to look around an environment and pray that you are standing in the right place and moving the camera in ther right way.
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