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RetroforceGO! recording episode 48 tonight: Upcoming retro revivals photo

You've no doubt heard the (possibly) awesome news that some great retro favorites are about to be exhumed and made over for a new generation. We scream, you scream, we all scream for Splatterhouse, right? What's with this all of a sudden? It seems every few weeks it's announced that another classic is getting new tires and a fresh coat of paint, so we thought we'd take a closer look.

We'll be discussing this recent upsurge in retro remakes -- where it might come from, why it's happening, and what we think about the whole deal. It also just so happens that we've played a few of these upcoming remakes for ourselves, so we'll tell you all about that while we're at it. Hit the comments with your questions for the show! 

 








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Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:38
Cataract
First! Also, why no mention of Earthworm Jim?
's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:39
Clint
How awesome dose the Sonic 2 HD fangame look?

I have a second question for Chad and Collete, who is your favorite Phoenix Wright character (Daryan Crescend) and why? This is relevant because the Phoenix Wright are remakes of a Japnesse GBA series.
Brian Keljore's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:40
Brian Keljore
Okay, so there are a lot of retro remakes in the works. Does this mean the video game industry has devolved into Hollywood and just picking up old ideas and trying to breathe new life into them?

I mean, it worked amazingly well for Kojima when he brought Metal Gear back. Speaking of Metal Gear, what are your theories about the Metal Gear Solid: Revived video that was up on Gametrailers? Is Kojima pulling our leg, or is he up to something nefarious. Could my fears that he's going to pull a "Dallis" on us all and make it all just a dream of Solid Snake possibly be true?

Oh well, now for the new trend. I am sure Topher will recognize this character.
Brian Keljore's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:41
Brian Keljore
Also, I meant Dallas, but it is hard to type while being attacked by a puppy that missed you.
CaptainApocalypse's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:41
CaptainApocalypse
Do you think the recent surge in remakes of classic games is because the people who were playing these games when they first came out are now old enough to be in charge of, or at least have input in, the development of new titles? In the same way that music and clothing seem to go in cycles, are we seeing the first of potentially many cycles in game remakes/reimaginings?
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:42
Samit Sarkar
I already asked a related question fifteen podcasts ago (there, I asked about “HD 2D updates” of retro games, and I won the $25 prize). But here’s a question for this podcast:

Would you rather have a sequel to a classic retro game, or a remake?

Also, Topher, here’s your belated birthday present. It simultaneously satisfies your love of toys and cute puppies!

Loki Power's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:44
Loki Power
With the news of a new Earthworm Jim game being released, do you think it will stick to its 2D roots, or try again with 3D? Also depending on what they choose what consoles do you think it will be on?
monkeyspoon5's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:44
monkeyspoon5
Sonic Unleashed? At least they're trying ya know.

TMNT arcade game for the 360: Awesome or Super Awesome?

Multiple fan versions of Metroid 2: Super Awesome or Super Orgasmic?

Also, where the fuck is Metroid Dread? I'm really irked about that.

Remake of Metal Gear 1+2 plz.

Remake of retro Chad being evil: Will it happen?
Dr Spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:45
Dr Spaceman
So, instead of finishing my take-home exam, I am drinking beer and reading Destructoid, hells yeah.

What retro game/series do each of y'all wish could be revived?
Any retro game/series you don't want to come back? Not because it was horrible, like Bible Adventures, but because it should always stay in its original form.
Loki Power's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:47
Loki Power
What 2D game (if any) would you like to try its hand in the 3D world?
's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:47
Clint
Oh I almost forgot! For Topher's birthday I bought myself Ikaruga for the Gamecube! I'm not sure that's a very good present though :(
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:48
naia-the-gamer
Why do you think Nintendo has been so hesitant with the remakes lately? They remade Super Mario Brothers in the 16-bit days, but aside from ports, I can't think of a single other game they've done. Who wouldn't want to Super Metroid or Link to the Past redone (2.5D plz not 3D bullshit).

They don't need to be like Square Enix or anything, but a remake or two would be nice.
Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:48
Cataract
Are you worried that with a large number of retro revivals coming up, that most of them are going to be complete crap, only being made to milk a franchise? As much as I love Earthworm Jim, I'm scared (Yes, scared, not worried) that the new game is going to be a pile of shit.

Also, since it's technically a revival: the stage 3 boss in Ikaruga's a dick. Fuck that guy.
droobies's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:48
droobies
Do you all think the advent of XBLA, PSN, WVC, and the upcoming Wiiware has anything to do with the upsurge in retro-related game production? Are we just seeing a cyclical trend in the tastes of the gaming populace, or are we just getting older and longing for the games of our past?
ryanrab1's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:49
ryanrab1
What game franchise would you most want to see revived: Eco, Crazy Taxi, a new Gunstar Heroes, Panzer Dragoon, Kid Icarus, or maybe even Bubsy?! (If another game comes out with Bubsy in it I will kill myself)
niacin's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:52
niacin
How do you guys feel about games that are almost exact copies of what they were 10 years ago but they now add online multiplayer and put them on x-box live.
Would you rather have proper sequels or do you you prefer being able to play games from your childhood against random starngers.
Monco Vega's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:52
Monco Vega
Do you guys feel that the fundamental game play mechanics of a revived game should be left as they are or is it more "fresh" if they take a whole new approach? Basically do you agree with the adage of "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Also great work on the show, I particularly enjoy listening to the podcast while I'm at work, even if my boss has a bitch about it, fuck him.
Perry Simm's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:52
Perry Simm
What is your favourite fan-made remake? And by the way, has Chad played the wonderful fan remakes of King's Quest I and II?
Monco Vega's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:52
Monco Vega
Do you guys feel that the fundamental game play mechanics of a revived game should be left as they are or is it more "fresh" if they take a whole new approach? Basically do you agree with the adage of "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Also great work on the show, I particularly enjoy listening to the podcast while I'm at work, even if my boss has a bitch about it, fuck him.
Zero Atma's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:56
Zero Atma
Great remakes that have been out but didn't get the love they deserved:
Mega Man Powered Up
Mega Man Maverick Hunter X

Also, Castlevania Rondo of Blood is great! I'm not sure how well it did...
Guagloves's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:57
Guagloves
What old series would you like to see make a comeback?
The GHost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 15:58
The GHost
You know, I was listening to the old SNES episode of Retroforce, and in it I believe it's Dyson that says something along the lines of "oh my God! There's over 60 comments! I don't know if we can get to all of these..." Now it's like what, an average of 90-100 comments? Go Retroforce Go! :D

Des questions pour vous:

1) Do you think that an update of a game like Splatterhouse, where it looks like it's being totally changed to reflect todays vidjagame sensibilities is a good idea, or do you think that it would be a better idea to just make a totally new game, rather than riding on the name of the old game while having little to nothing to do with it?

2)The obvious question: most desired remake/update?

3) Do you think that they'll be remaking games like Halo in the future? Or do you think that the current generation just doesn't have the same ability to be updated like older games do?

4)HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOPHER!? (There's a question mark, therefore it is a question! :D )

5) Since some form of Earthbound seems to be coming to the Wii, which form would you prefer it in? Straight port of Earthbound to the VC? Updated version with shiny new graphics? A whole new game for Wiiware?

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go finish the last dungeon in Lunar, a game that I would kill for an HD-2D remake/update of :D
sleepingagain's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:03
sleepingagain
dearest retroforce lovers

revivals are awesome, just most of the time its a 2D game to 3D game. i just hate how evolution of retro games seems to be retroactive since retrogoggles will only sell a few copys. revivals don't always need to be too far from the original to be good. I don't need fancy new graphics to make me feel happy or excited about a old series cause Contra 4 was amazing, and so is the new Space Invaders.

question, what games do you feel they should leave alone, just for the fear that that you already know will be full of fail?


and TOPHER!!!!
i want you to speak of the epicness of Space Invaders Extreme
Rider Chop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:07
Rider Chop
what series would you like to NOT see a comeback?
dont say Bubsy, thats too obvious.
Tdiddy9182's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:08
Tdiddy9182
I dont know about you guys, but the one game I want to see remade the most is..... Custer's Revenge
Elitechief27's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:09
Elitechief27
This week, with the suggestion of doing it from community member Brilliam, I will be doing a tanka(5-7-5-7-7 syllable scheme). Though I will be going back to Haiku next show, I will try to do tankas on special events like the Fiftieth show or user comment shows

Retro Revivals.
Either they're doing it wrong,
Which is complete Fail,
Or they are bonafied win
And become the man now dog.


Just two things, what are your thoughts on the new art direction in Street Fighter 4, and WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE REV AS A PERMANENT CAST MEMBER. He has brought so many laughs to the show so I think he deserves a spot.
conehead the barbarian's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:09
conehead the barbarian
Do you think that wiiware could bring about revivals of some classic nintendo franchises, or bring in more retro style games, ex: new 2d metroid? Also since it is coming up soon will Chad be reviewing wiiware games? His and Topher's reviews are actually my favorite part of RFGO!.
MatCD's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:11
MatCD
I have played a few games that where revivals of older games and thought they were incredible, even though I have not played the originals. Prince of Persia, Shinobi, Ninja Gaiden. Hell, I never played Metroid until Fusion came out, after I played that I bought pretty much every other game in the series (first time I used Ebay was for Super Metroid) and it shot up to my number one favorite series.

So was do you think of revival games attracting new fans such as myself to a franchise?
Spexor's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:16
Spexor
is it too much to ask for a rebirth of mother and/or chrono trigger?
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:21
ajay42
The whole revivals thing is a bit unsettling sometimes. From a 'retro' point of view (im positing the existence of such a thing) i think it would be far more amazing to see some people sit down and create a completely new 2d RPG or a completely new 2d platformer (these have been trickling out lately actually) rather than another rehash. the video games industry has hit its nostalgia phase WAAAAAAY too fast. You don't mine the old-school just be reissuing and rehashing the same shit, you mine it by grasping its sensibilities and why those were so appealing in the first place.

So i guess in summary remake < sequel/revival < new IP with retro sensibilities.
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:22
ajay42
then again, though, id kill for a fully fleshed out 3d earthbound sequel... :) oh hypocrisy, you're so delicious.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:24
Samit Sarkar
@Elitechief27: Awesome tanka, dude! But here’s a protip: “bonafied” is actually two words, and it’s spelled “bona fide”. It comes from Latin, meaning, literally, “in good faith” — though that’s not how it’s used most of the time nowadays; people usually mean “genuine” when they use it (like you did in your tanka!).
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:27
ajay42
^^^ more commentary: and i DONT consider loving-retro (hey im posting here) as the kind of nostalgia I'm talking about. I mean just this idea that these limited sets of characters, titles, etc. are whats important (and missing what made those characters, titles, genres compelling in the first place.)
commish's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:29
commish
There is truly only one I am dying for a remake: Chrono Trigger that game is fully fledged awesome 3-d would kick so much ass that I would probably go blind!
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:33
wardrox
Duke Nukem.......
Hitogoroshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:34
Hitogoroshi
Happy bday Topher!!! Here is your gift :)

BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:35
BlackSunEmpire
Has the success of VC, xbox originals and whatever playstation calls its PSone downloads brought about a new period of retrofocus?? In other words do you think these companies were always planning these sequels, but waiting on the right tech, or do you think they've realised that people will download these older games so they can probably pull in full price on a re-imagining of an old IP??

Also, do you think for your episodes where you talk about specific games, you could announce a few weeks early so we could have a look/relook at the game first?? Or do you think that would generate too much discussion from question askers and the worlds longest podcast ever ever??
Matchstickman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:35
Matchstickman
So, Retro games are being remade for the current generation of consoles; Do you think this is because it resurrects a good series or is it a cunning marketing ploy to get additional Virtual Console sales of the original titles? (and subsequent remake when it is released)


Also, Banana Dolphin.
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:43
Demtor
With the new Golgo 13 anime series going on I really hope they make another game of some sort. Epic sniper shots and always bad ass. Bring sexy back with epic eyebrows and dark shades.
LuccaLover's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:49
LuccaLover
First time commenter, long time listener. In love with Chad Concelmo.

Do you think the reason that remakes are becoming more of a trend is because of the downloadable content on the systems that was never before avaliable? And if so do you think this will be a tool to create more hype for the younger crowd that doesnt know what these games actually are?

Which remake has done 2D to 3D the best?? And do you think that this takes away from the game or makes it better?


PS. What do you guys think about all this Earthbound coming to the Wii. Truth or is Nintendo just screwing with us....again.
Starman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:55
Starman
i think everyone's just seen how much money square has gotten with all its remakes/ports and they want to get in on that action.
KamikazeTutor's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 16:57
KamikazeTutor
Doesn't it feel strange that Interplay is making Earthworm Jim 3D cannon, by naming this next one EJ4?

It sends shivers down my spine.

What do you guys think? Is this a hint that the game will be 3D?

I mean, with the current technology, I would love to see Doug TenNapel's creations hand drawn in high resolution.

Oh my... FAP FAP FAP!
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 17:02
Phoenix Gamma
Are you guys gonna mention Space Invaders Extreme? That game is one of the few Space Invaders rereleases that was actually done right.

As for my question, do you feel like some remakes/revivals are unnecessary? I ask this because it feels like everyone is cashing in on the whole nostalgia thing. I listen to Retroforce all the time, so I like me sum nostalgia, but I can't help be feel like I'm being taken advantage of a little. What are some remakes that you'd rather see come out?
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 17:07
eternalplayer2345
speaking of retro revival earthbound being esrb rated is huge new for snes rpg fans! Also im actually getting my hopes up for sonic unleased for once.
Irvine_frost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 17:10
Irvine_frost
i want a new 2d metroid for the DS, i don't like those dreadfull prime games, i'm with dyson here, prime is NOT a metroid game.
Passionate Styos's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 17:10
Passionate Styos
I hope you are going to talk about Dracula X Chronicles, a great remake of one of the best Castlevania games that was never released on America until now; Rondo of Blood.

Anyway, as for my question: Since many thinks that porting games from other generations to the actual is a good idea, do you think that the developers/companies do this because to please the fans or to get people who never played them before to do it?
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 17:16
Qraze
they need to revive toejam and earl, and gex the gecko. who didn't like those zany one liners? wolfenstein. bubble bobble, afterburner,oh and let me not forget oregon trail (your kids could get sick and die, oxen could drown, break an axle, hunt for food, bit by rattlesnakes oh those were the days) and where in the world is carmen santiago?(i hated that one) odel lake/ocean, xenogears!! fnck yeah!! are remakes of rpg's out of the question or would they just give it a sequel type treatment like chrono cross?(no akira toriyami=pretty bad sequel to me)
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 17:19
Tubatic
Two things in particular on my remake radar for you guys, and one huge setup, FrankenQuestion:

Played that River City Ransom GBA update yet?! Would make a nice discussion point for the show, because, imo, its a great example of a game that updates a game but doesn't wreck the charm of the original.

Super Dodgeball's getting the update treatment release on DS later this month. I think you guys recently mentioned it,but, yeah. I'm stoked. WAY STOKED.

Also, I'm gonna go ahead and put a crazy statement out there: River City Ransom did alot of things, in spirit, which GTA has gone forth to implement in its modern, 3D versions (food affecting your character, learning different fighting moves, going around and back tracking as you want, etc). So, would it be worth someone going balls out and reviving the beat'em up in 3D, using a mash up of GTA's living world (with lowered emphasis on driving and instead having them walk or subway) and RCR's commerce based, random stat upgrading system?
Coonskin05's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 17:24
Coonskin05
Here's my question:

How incredibly excited are you all for the upcoming sequel to some of the best Nintendo 64 games ever, the Banjo series?
Leviticus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/04/2008 17:24
Leviticus
On last week's Treasure episode, you guys were asked what franchises you'd like to see Treasure take over and try to make better. Anthony mentioned Final Fight, but I was thinking of a different beat em' up. Don't you guys think that a retro revival of River City Ransom would be awesome? (kept in 2D, of course)
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