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ZOMGBURRITO!!
 
RetroforceGO! recording episode 47 tonight: Treasure
RetroforceGO! recording episode 47 tonight: Treasure screenshot
Topher Cantler
\\ 04.27.2008
99 comments

Finally, dear listeners, it's the episode that Chad and I you've all been waiting for! Tonight we take a look at one of our very favorite devlopers, Treasure, and all of the wonderful games they're brought to us over the years.

Founded by a group of ex-Konami employees in 1992, Treasure quickly became known for their unique and innovative action games and shooters, with titles like Gunstar Heroes, Sin and Punishment, Silhouette Mirage, Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga to name but a few. This is the part of the post where I stop writing so I don't turn it into a love letter, and turn it over to you kids. 

Hit the comments with your questions for the show, Treasure related or not, and we'll catch you tomorrow!



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There are 99 comments about this post:
DaedHead8's Avatar
This episode is gonna rock.

Which treasure game most deserves a sequel and what would you change in that sequel?
ajay42's Avatar
oh god yes

so, Gunstar Heroes, great co-op game or the GREATEST co-op game?

also what were your favorite power up couplings in it?

(and bonus questions: which was your favorite controller setup for Sin and Punishment?

and what [revival, new game, anything] would be the features/content ideas for your ideal next game from Treasure?)
Vegas's Avatar
An entire episode on treasure gems, oh man I can't wait.
MissHinasaki's Avatar
Oh. God.
njsykora's Avatar
Mischief Makers. Most underrated platformer on the N64?
brucie97's Avatar
To complement DaedHead8's question, would you prefer these sequels to be hd upgrades of the the fun 2d gameplay or a full 3d sequel?

Those hd sonic and metroid screens are looking amazing!
Gemsi's Avatar
Just wondering if your guys were somewhat disappointed by the DS version of bangai-o after the awesomeness the the dreamcast one.
Passionate Styos's Avatar
Yes! Gonna love this!

I don't have questions this time, just carry on.
FreedomToast's Avatar
Do you think Gunstar Heroes will ever see a xbox live arcade remake?
Passionate Styos's Avatar
Oh, a warning, don't play Bangai Spirits for the DS, it suck..haaaard.
Rider Chop's Avatar
my pants were immediately wettened upon seeing this announcement.

the 2 player mode in Sin & Punishment is such bullshit.
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar
Can we have a brief dialog on Treasure's unappreciated platformer, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wario_World]Wario World?
CypherVR's Avatar

*STARES*
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar
I fail at BCC code
Wario World
razerangel's Avatar
Radiant Silvergun or Ikaruga?
nilcam's Avatar
HELP ME, MARINA!!!!!!!!!!

I'm just hoping that their upcoming Wii game is an update to Sin and Punishment. Wiimote + S&P = stains in the shorts.

Oh, here's one: Which is your favorite character in Guardian Heroes?

Also, Marina is the greatest platforming character. Ever.

@Brucie97: Any updates need to retain their 2D roots. Treasure's done some good 3D games, but their 2D games are peerless.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar
Ok, After buying pizza rolls yesterday for the sole reason that dyson raves about them , playing ff3 based on Chad's memory card and buying ikaruga just because of topher, collette what do you force me to buy? it can only be up to 10 dollars.

Also Ikaruga is amazing so thinks topher, and sin and punishment may be the best thing to come out of the vc ever.
AILDFan's Avatar
Which Treasure game should be next up for the remake/update upgrade bestowed upon Gunstar Heroes/Gunstar Super Heroes and Rez/Rez HD?

Also, is Gunstar Heroes better or worse of a name then Lunatic Gunstar?
KamikazeTutor's Avatar
Treasure always tries to redefine a genre before developing a title, just like they did with Radiant Silvergun, where they always wanted to make a shmup but until then never had a great design to make it unique.

They go as far as to redefine themselves, by using old concepts on new games, in a completely different form as you can see how Silhouette Mirage adds the polarity design to the Gunstar Heroes formula and Ikaruga takes that design into a new genre.

What would each of you take from Treasure games and add it to another genre? You can choose more than one design feature.
The GHost's Avatar
All right, an excuse to come out of self-imposed study exile!

El questiones! ARRRIBA! ARRRIBA!

1) Stretch Panic: awesome or awkward? As a game that is all about pulling on boobies do you think that the concept overcomes any gameplay complaints?

2)Just picked up a DS, is Bangai-O Spirits worth my hard earned money? It LOOKS bad-ass.

3) Contra vs. Gunstar: which series do you like better than the other and why.

4) Do you guys like the general "no-sequel" stance that Treasure has? (I do realize that they've released some games that could be considered sequels)

5) How handsome is Chad? I submit that he is DANGEROUSLY handsome. (Or was that contest only for last week? :D)

Finale) What the fuck happened in Sin And Punishment? I'm I an idiot or does that game make absolutely NO sense?

P.S. Treasure, if you're reading this, please make an RPG. :D
The GHost's Avatar
That bit in the finale should read "am I"

Really gotta learn to proof read :P
Hitogoroshi's Avatar
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Razerangel beat me to it but I also want to know Radiant Silvergun or Ikaruga.

Guardian Heroes or Gunstar Heroes. (totally different games but shit they are linked by their names)

Also can we has a Neo-Geo episode. Pleeeaaaassseeeee.
Alanar's Avatar
Just two question:

What do you guys think about Treasures license based games (Bleach: Blade of Fate for the DS and Astro Boy: Omega Factor for the GBA come to my mind)? Are they one of the last developers who are able to create kick-ass license bades games?
Guardian Heroes > Advance Guardian Heroes (I played the Advance version for just a couple of minutes and I didn't like it that much...)?
Alanar's Avatar
Whoops, Typo-Alert! I meant "license based games"...
vonrichter's Avatar
I love a lot of Treasures games, but Light Crusader is just a pathetic half-baked Landstalker clone that isn't fit to lick Landstalkers genius shoes.
Violet Son's Avatar
When it comes to run n' guns, do you prefer an Alien Soldier-style boss rush, or do you like to have a substantial level between bosses, like in the original Contra?
Dr Spaceman's Avatar
I went to a flee market yesterday and got my very first Dreamcast, hells yes! But then I didn't have any games for it. God Bless the internet. The first game I not-downloaded and not-played was not-Ikaruga. I have Topher to thank for this, I love shumps because of you, thank you.
So, with Ikaruga in mind, Topher- Do you prefer white or black polarity?

Complete side track, I just started Pokemon Pearl, and named my character Colette, for obvious reasons. :D
P3T3Y's Avatar
Where's the love for Guardian Heroes, Astro Boy: Omega Factor and Bleach: Blade of Fate.

Gunstar Super Heroes; I hate to say this but it was rubbish.
Elitechief27's Avatar
All rise for the honorable Elitechief27 Haiku

Treasure's games are WIN,
And have many syllables
They're all AAAAAAMMMMMAAAAAZZZZZIIIIINNNNNGGGG
(Can Chad please read this one and say amazing like he did on Podtoid)

Since Treasure's games are so good, why aren't more popular than mediocre companies like EA. Is it because of all those damn whippersnappers, as Topher likes to say, just wanting there same Maddens and Medal of Honors, or is it Treasure's refusal to conform and make all there games the same?



Also Dyson, a few questions. Did you play/like TF2? I personally play it on 360 and like it. Also, I can haz my friend request accepted?
Tascar's Avatar
My question:

Am I the only person who thinks that Topher is hotter than Chad (comparatively speakig that is: I'm not saying that Chad isn't hot in his own right of course)?
onomelon's Avatar
This question is more directed to Dyson and Topher, but Chad and Collette feel free to comment on this.

Why do you hate FPSs so much? I can understand not liking games like Doom and Wolfenstein 3d, but why do others (especially Halo) get so much hate from you? Do you hate the gameplay? The stories (or lack of)? The fact that theres so many of them? The people who play them? Or did Quake touch you in your bathing suit area?
Cheeburga's Avatar
Anyone can answer this.

What do you think Mischief Makers 2 would be like, and would you even want a sequel? What would you want in it?

Also, favorite boss from Mischief Makers?

HEEERREEESS LUNAR!
snotrocket's Avatar
If blind people wear sunglasses, why don't hearing impaired wear earmuffs?
ryanrab1's Avatar
Hey guys, if the founders of Treasure wouldn't have left Konami, do you think Konami would have let them make the games that Treasure did?
conehead the barbarian's Avatar
Which Treasure game do each of you find hardest, also this is only half Treasure but do you find Ikaruga or Contra 4 harder?
madninja's Avatar
Sin and Punishment is the first game I have ever imported and it is amazing, so my question is; what was the first game you have ever imported?
sleepingagain's Avatar
no question, just chad was amazing at the end of podtoid.
Batthink's Avatar
My question; do you think that the Virtual Console can handle a port of the lovely pixelated Guardian Heroes?
Reaprar's Avatar
Little known fact: Treasure created the highly under-rated Wario World for the gamecube. Which was an awesome game.

[img][/img]
Future chad, after he escapes Rev. Anth into the wild and become one with the sea. He's so Rugged

Anyway, my question is:
What did you guys think of the new Gunstar SUPER Heroes? And would you (like I) like to see another Gunstar Heroes, possibly in 3D?
Guagloves's Avatar
Why does polarity fuck with me so much?
Reaprar's Avatar
Oh god, I fail, here's the image.
cjpkiller's Avatar
so, how large is your treasure worship shrine?
because seriously, if I could jerk off any game company... it would be treasure.
Haxan's Avatar
Sin and Punishment=greatest Virtual Console download ever. The story seems absolutely ludicrus, so I looked up the wikipedia entry which spelled a lot of things out. Now it makes a bit of sense, but it's still holy $#!% crazy!

All of the monsters in the game were a genetically created food source that got out of hand and ran amuck. And somehow Saki transforms into a hybrid of one of them and a human? Really bizarre. Which only makes me love it more. It was actually Chad and Topher's review of it that got me to download it immediately. And I've since gifted it to 3 other people.

So, that inspires my question: If you could gift a Virtual Console game that has currently been released to someone who hasn't downloaded a single game, what would it be?
Kyuzo's Avatar
Oh this episode is going to rock! Radiant Silvergun is my most loved and rarest game I own, what games do you have in your collection that you absolutely cherish?
Mtdrummer's Avatar
A dolphin killed your family and stole your copy of Radiant Silvergun, what do you do?

a. give it a kiss, and hope it returns it

or

b. kill all of the dolphin's family and shit on its copy of gunstar heroes
manasteel88's Avatar
when will mischief makers make it to the Virtual Console!!!!

krylonkoopa's Avatar
I have a question regular pizza rolls or mega-size?

Dynamite-headdy was awsome! It might be retro-goggles though.

I think Chad Concelmo is kinda gangsta. You can see it in his eyes.
manasteel88's Avatar
also we all know Treasure for their beloved titles, but what does the RFGO crew think were the let downs from the company?
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar
I know it's been said a million times, but PLEASE mention Mischief Makers.

Also, a question: out of all the insane boss fights, which Treasure Boss do you think is the absolute craziest/most fun to play?
Samit Sarkar's Avatar
I was a Genesis kid, but a deprived one — sadly, I’ve never played any Treasure-developed games (and I don’t have a 360, Dreamcast, or GameCube, so no Ikaruga for me). I also don’t have a Wii, so I can’t play any Virtual Console stuff.

Where do I begin?
funran's Avatar
I've only played Gunstar Heroes, I'm so ashamed!!! What should I start not downloading? Love you guys,


P.S. I love you.
AgentMOO's Avatar
Oh snap it looks like we're gonna have a...

dorkatlarge's Avatar
Unrelated thought: have you guys at RetroforceGo heard about Heavenly Guardian? It began life as the next Pocky and Rocky game, but due to corporate politics, the main characters were changed (yes, even in the Japanese version). The game is available but tough to find on PS2, and will soon appear on Wii.
Brian Keljore's Avatar
Here's a good one. Treasure developed Gradius V for Konami, and the game was freaking awesome (by awesome, it made Gradius III seem not so hard). With how polished and true to the source material that game was, I would not be surprised if they made were asked to make sequels for other companies. What sequels would you guys like Treasure to work on?

Personally, I'd like to see them take on Castlevania. Maybe then we'll finally get a freaking 2-D version on a damn console.
Dead Movie Star's Avatar
Is next week the Irem episode? It would be nice to get a pattern going. And talk about Metal Stormgreatestgameever.

Why do games have to be so varied today? There are always these sidequests and extra activities. I find that if there is one little aspect that I don't like that may only last five minutes it could ruin the whole experience. In contrast, old games were the same all the way through and you could tell if you liked it after the first level. And for some reason (*cough*difficulty*cough*) they didn't get repetitive.

Reworded question: Do you think that for a shmup you can declare a game one of your favorites after the first level? I think you can (Cotton 100%) but I want to know your opinions.


Also, Topher, what do you want your play style to be in Wedge's RFGO game? If you don't answer I suppose I can send you another email but if you don't answer that I will take your Dreamcast hostage. And kill a puppy.
Sharpless's Avatar
I give you, THE END OF ALL PUPPY PICTURES (well, not really, but it's just so amazing):



I don't suppose a puppy picture could ever win the $25? Because this one deserves a hundred -- plus whores.
Wiid Whacker's Avatar
Sharp, I counter your cute puppie pic with a cute KITTEN pic!

XivGNP's Avatar
I have only one thing to say...

[img[http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e322/dansphotoalbum/mischief_makers_image6.jpg[/img]

SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE

Oh, and was anyone ever able to see the entire ending to Mischief Makers? Try as I might, i was only able to collect enough of those things to make it halfway through.
DOOM's Avatar
GUNSTAR HEROS on the Market Place, NOW!!!
XivGNP's Avatar
ARGH TEH BRACKETS

KMCC's Avatar
Since finally playing Ikaruga (and being completely blown away by its genius), I have been trying to call to mind examples of other simple, elegant play mechanics such as the Polarity function which can really make a game special. What do you guys think?

Example: Mega Man's acquisition of boss powers
Senor Candle's Avatar
If you have played through Mischief Makers, what do you think of the last boss?
MPHtails's Avatar
OH HELL YES, A Treasure episode! I've been waiting for this!

Man, I remember first playing Mischief Makers renting it out when it first was released and being completely being blown away by it's awesome. Ikaruga, Silhouette Mirage, Gunstar Heroes, Sin & Punishment, Dynamite Headdy, even Wario World, all good times. I've never been disappointed by a game of theirs I've played, though I've only played a small sampling of their games.

So now, for my question: Since they're known in a way for their bosses, what's your favorite Treasure game boss? SM had some really good ones. I could pick several from there and still feel like I'm snubbing more.

Also, out of curiosity, how does the story differ between the original version of SM and the Working Designs (another company you need to do in the future) localization? I heard they cut it up a might bad, so I imported the original Japanese version, expecting a translation guide, though I never found one.
dipnlik's Avatar
I created a video response to funran's question about who would win a fight, Solid Snake or a dinosaur, you can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttGQplSgrDQ

(PS.: if you already seen this on last week's post, sorry for posting again, I just didn't know exactly where should I post this)

And about Treasure: Did you like the S&P (half-)translation on the VC? I mean, the text is still in Japanese, and I'm not a native english speaker, so I still don't understand everything on the cutscenes :\
Wexx's Avatar
TREASUURRRRRREE!
Senisan82's Avatar
Tiny Tunes Adventures was pretty good
Cataract's Avatar
How do you guys feel Gunstar Super Heroes held up to the orginal one?

There, short and quick. No extra shit involved.
AgentMOO's Avatar
@sharpless

animateria's Avatar
TREASURE!

The sole reason I got the DS Bleach games were because it was made by treasure!

This is even before I knew the tv show!
Slick Icarus's Avatar
What's your favorite Treasure game in terms of story?
Also, what do you think their two Wii games are gonna be?
Sharpless's Avatar
DON'T STEAL MY SHTICK, YOU GUYS. I'M TELLING TEACHER.
coffeesash's Avatar
What does that picture mean on the game over screen to Bangaioh on the Dreamcast? It's so weird! That's my question for this week :3

Also, did anyone else hate the level in Gunstar Heroes where you have to roll the dice and play a board game? It was so hard and repetitive, that's as far as I got. It was so bad but Capcom repeated Treasure's mistake in Devil May Cry 4
JohnTheCrow's Avatar
McDonald's Treasureland Adventure. Do you think it's: A) The greatest game of all time in space, including all possible theoretical alternate universes, or B) Are you a brain-dead asshole!?

niacin's Avatar
They made a mcdonalds game!?! a.. no I can't... brain refusing to accept this
AgentMOO's Avatar
@niacin

Believe it. Actually they made more than one, there was M.C. Kids for the NES.



Topher Cantler's Avatar
Yup, Treasure made a McDonald's game. Also, Sharpless, no need to worry, you are king of the puppy pics in these threads. I am not easily swayed by kittens.
Kapkomi's Avatar
Old News Alert!

What are your thoughts on the rumored Radiant Silvergun/Ikaruga sequel?

P.S. I resently got my hands on Astro Boy: Omega Factor for GBA
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar
Topher, di you ever play Ikaruga or Radiant Silvergun on an arcade cabinet?? If you did, is there much difference between the dreamcast versions and the arcade versions??

Also, I'm sure you will answer Ikaruga to the Radiant Silvergun or Ikaruga questions above, but if you havent explained why, could you??
AgentMOO's Avatar
Wow, I missed the one detail that the game was developed by treasure... wow.
Knives's Avatar
I'm giving Ikaruga on XBL to my little cousins as a kids day present with the promise that if they finish it and show me the replay I'll get them a new, full priced, game they want.
Sharpless's Avatar
@MOO
I find it ironic that the MC Kids game was made by Virgin Games.

@Topher
I don't need the $25, but could you send me a whore or two? kthnx.
AlmightyTooth's Avatar
Did you guys catch Family Guy just now?

Not that great.
welkstar's Avatar
In your opinion, what was the hardest boss in Gunstar Heroes? For me it was Green/Seven Force, I hated the eagle form...

Also, how do you feel about Gunstar Super Heroes vs the original?
coffeesash's Avatar
Seriously though, that game over screen in Bangai-O... the main character is skipping along naked saying "I can still...." with some weird music, it's AMAZING.
RJG's Avatar
If you are born in the eighties and do not love Astro Boy and you count yourself as a gamer and have not played Astro Boy Omega Factor on the GBA then are you both a failure as a human being and as a gamer you are an uncultured Halo jock wannabe.

Gunstar Future Heroes on GBA, while not as great as the original, is still pretty damn awesome. Red is hot.

P.S. Favourite weapon combo from Gunstars is double flame.
RJG's Avatar
What is your favourite Treasure gameplay mechanic/innovation?

Mine would have to be the L+R function on Contra 3, where you hold it in to stand in place and fire in any direction.

I'm guessing Topher's is the polarity function from RS/Ikaruga, but I'm pretty sure Chad might like mine.

*SHAKE SHAKE*
smurfee mcgee's Avatar
If you could choose, what character/game from Treasure would you pick for a completely NEW game? for any of the current-gen systems.
Why?
Xelotath's Avatar
How much do you guys want Radiant Silvergun on the 360? I never played it like most people since it was on a system no one owned and it was import only. I really hope one day they'll port it so I don't have to pay 300$ for it, even if I'm sure it's worth it.
Pinhead Gunpowder's Avatar
Public service anouncement:
every year millions and millions of chines people die every year because of exploading pizza rolls. The heat combind with the awesome sauce creates a neclear explosion capable of destroying the island of honalulu. Because you suport the growing popularity of these amazing little rolls by buying them up you are now considerd a communist trator and are going to be taken away from your friends and family. You can come quietly or by force.
also you can bring one teasure game with you what will it be THAT IS ALL!!1!
naia-the-gamer's Avatar
As somebody who fails for having NEVER played a Treasure game, what would you recommend be the first one I try? Lets assume money is no object and I could buy or NOT download any of them.
s0lesurviv0r's Avatar
@naia-the-gamer
You probably have and just don't know it, but try Gunstar Heroes or Mischief Makers.

Speaking of which, how many people got all the stars to watch the full ending?
perri's Avatar
How can RFGO be so compelling to me even when they talk about games I've never played?

Also, How the hell do you beat that level in Sin and Punishment where your flying towards your mutated friend behind the missile. Answer: Impossible.

but seriously, somebody HELP ME
Reeper's Avatar
Did you guys play McDonald's Ronald McDonald Hunt for the Secret Treasure Map game on the Genesis? What did you think of it? I remember playing it as a child and loving it. Do you hope for a sequel?
s0lesurviv0r's Avatar
I wish they had less standards so they would go ahead and make a greatest hits collection.
hpv's Avatar
How much do you guys love McDonald's Treasureland Adventure?
Topher Cantler's Avatar
@Dead movie star: Um.. huh? o_O
Dead Movie Star's Avatar
@Topher
A while ago I sent an email to RFGO asking your peers what they wanted their play styles to be like in Wedge's beat 'em up. You are the last one who I need a reply from.
PhazonYoshi's Avatar
._.
Hurry up, I'm not doing my english homework until you're done.
Yes, I'm too addicted, enlish homework is 0 dolphins, alright...
Infinitys End's Avatar
Hey guys... do you still check this thread after the podcast is over??? Ah anyway, I wanted to post a picture of my puppy... HE is the cutest puppy EVER. I swear...


His name is Raz. Yes, THAT Raz. From Psychonauts.
You can see all the sickeningly-cute pics of Raz on my Flickr!

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