Ah, Square. Before the Enix merger, before spinoffs, before girly-boys and big, unweildy Roman numerals, there was simply Square. Back when men were men and women were 8-bit, they published many of our favorite games.
That's not to say we won't mention Kingdom Hearts in passing, but we're trying to keep this old school. That is kinda what we do here, right? So let's forget about Enix for a day and rekindle our love affair with Squaresoft. What were your favorites? Hit the comments and tell us all about it, and leave your questions for the show.
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2:33 PM on 03.30.2008
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The first Front Mission I got to play was the third installment on the PS1. I liked the music and the fact you could take parts from other robots, attach them to your own robot, then obtain new special moves from those parts when in battle. Oh, and levelling up.
Question: Which of the Front Missions did you think was the best?
I meen, what game had two 15 minute tracks in the Black Mages Discogrophy? FF VI (The Opera and Dancing Mad)
That said, Super Mario RPG was my first foray into Turn Based RPGing so I think a special mention of that should be made.
Why does ths game get so much hate!? It has the best soundtrack of any game ever made. It wasn't the first to have a non-linear story, but it was the first JRPG to do it as effectively, and the idea of making choices that drastically effected the way you play the game has never since been matched. It had an innovative battle system and some of the best characters. It also has the highest replay value of near any game I've ever seen:mMultiple story path, endings and New Game+ (and NG+ came with a fast-forward button! Amazing!)
However, the word Chrono was in the title. Therefore, it got way too much hate from Fanboys who wouldn't be satisfied with anything after Chrono Trigger. Chrono Cross is arguably the best game ever made (One of Gamespot's 4 10/10 games), but no one likes it.
Discuss.
And I agree, a brief discussion on Chrono Cross and/or an attempt to explain the inexplicable amount of hate it gets from the gaming community would be cool.
I know you don't get much more cookie cutter in some ways than the Dragon Warrior (ok Quest) series, but I feel like those early games particularly II and III were just chock full of life and character.
A next gen remake would be most welcome, and would go a long way toward getting me to buy a PS3 if that's where it came out.
Nope, this is
:)
Didn't they do bust a groove 2? and star ocean?
You more or less answered your own question, it had the unfortune luck to be called "Chrono" Cross and hence had the yard stick of Trigger to be beaten to within an inch of it's life with.
Also, With Trigger, you could feel the Dragon Quest X Final Fantasy in it between Art, Music and Story. Not so much with Cross.
Infact, if they had called "something else" Cross and not had "Chrono" in the title, I have the feeling that it would of had a much, MUCH better slap at it.
(Though releaseing it in Europe would also be a good idea, thank you very much Square cita 2000)
Ok, there's the (extremely loose) connections to Trigger but they are about as strong as wet cardbord and only realy serve to piss of people who had an attachment to the Trigger chracters.
That is all.
The Virtual Console needs less King's Knight and more Chrono Trigger.
Squaresoft has issues.
Where'd they learn their numbering?
Is it III(3) or XI(6)?
(Just kidding Dyson, I know that it should ALWAYS be called Final Fantasy III insted of Final Fantasy XI, just trying to jerk your chain a little)
What were some of your favorite Squaresoft games besides Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy.If you could take one element/charachter from the Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy and incorperate them in each other's games, who/what would it be and why? Since I am a bit of a Kingdom Hearts fanboy and want to hear you guys talk about it on the show, What game did you like better, Kingdom Hearts 1 or 2 If you like them at all? I mean, did you like the changes Squeenix made to it, or feel that they did too much/too little
Super Mario RPG
The Final Fantasy Series
Front Mission
Secret of Mana
Chrono Trigger
I didn't get to play many Square games on the Playstation, though. Everyone on RFGO! should say their favorite and least favorite on all the systems. (NES, SNES, PS, PS2, etc.) so I can get an idea of what to play next it my retro outings.
@Travis
Oh my god...
"Time's Scar" (Chrono Cross) is the best song in a Squaresoft game.
Also Tifa > Aeris.
And finally my question: What do you think Square's "it factor" is? Why have they been able to make over twenty Final Fantasy games and people don't question it? In the seas of RPGs their games always seem to emerge near or at the top of the heap.
Of the old-school FFs (let's say from 9 on back) which single in-game moment would you say had the biggest impact on you emotionally?
I know that I just felt crushing despair when Kefka actually succeeded in ruining the planet :(
Anyone have a favorite item or weapon that springs to mind?
Final Fantasy Tactics or Tactics Advance?
Did any of you *looks at Colette* ever played Chocobo Racing?
Considering how many Final Fantasys there are and knowing how different they tend to be in setting and, somewhat, in story from each other, what do you consider makes a "Final Fantasy" game? Is it just the inclusion of Chocobos, Gils, Moogles, Cid, etc., or is there something specific in the design, music or other that would make you identify, lets say FFIII, as a "Final Fantasy" game if I were to present it to you as "Warriors of the Light" instead?
@dclark
I agree that the OST is awesome and that I loved the fast forward/slowmo options, but it's in no way better than CT, and that's why it gets hate i think.
@Scary Womanizing Pig Mask
That's the cutest, it's different :P.
@Topher
Noooo, you can't get AIDS before Cancun, that's not how it's supposed to work :(.
@EliteChief27
XI=11
I mean.
Which villain do you most love to hate? :D
I didn't knew they made Mario RPG... a very nice game!
Also yes, Super Mario RPG is epic.
Also, what is your favorite Square game that is NOT an RPG?
I know you want to forget about Enix for the day, but I always wondered: Do you think the quality of Square's games has gone downhill since their merger with Enix?
Here's a listing of games before and after their merger.
This also gives Topher a chance to mention Einhander again, which is great.
Parasite Eve also deserves mention. This just might be LONGEST EPISODE EVAR!!!
Does Nomura deserve (or not) the criticism he gets for his designs?
Am I the only one NOT looking forward to XIII? Every time I see the trailers I just get less and less interested.
Secret of Mana (all time fave), Mario RPG, all Final Fantasy-- but VIII might be my fave (yes, I said 8!!), Einhander. Saga Frontier was a very cool, very good looking, very complicated game. Much of the Saga games don't get alot of love, tho, they are kinda black sheep.
And oh yea, BREATH OF FREAKIN' FIRE.
Anyway, FFIII blew me away, Chrono Trigger changed my life, but Secret of Mana is the Square game that charmed me completely.
Also, Tobal. Why did that series have to die?
Many of my friends feel the same way regarding that game, what was it about FF3 that struck a cord with gamers that hasn't since hit again?
Maybe it's Karma, but I feel that, whilst the whole "Evermore was made to cockblock Seken Dunsetsu 3" rumor is false, they brought it upon themselves with said spite on the Mana series.
And Mystic Quest, god that was an awful game.