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RetroforceGO! recording episode 39 tonight: Contra! photo

This week's show is all about Contra, and how Chad can probably kick your ass at it. No, really. He'll try to be modest and say "Aw, you guys," but it's no joke. The man is 1337.

Anyway, we know you fought over the spread gun with your friends, you rocked out on the level 1 theme song, and you had your ass handed to you time and again, just like we did. Hit the comments with your questions for us this week, whether they be Contra-related or not, and we'll have a new episode ready for you tomorrow. Make sure you listen to it on Hard mode so you get the good ending. 


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Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 13:50
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain
Kick my ass at Contra?

What about the whole co-op multiplayer thing?
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 13:50
wardrox
Contra makes me cry, how do I play so that it doesn't?
Daddygerplex's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 13:52
Daddygerplex
I was thinking the other day about how a RetroforceGO! about Contra would rock my bollocks off.
Passionate Styos's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 13:53
Passionate Styos
Awesome! Can't wait to listen to this podcast, as I missed the Castlevania one.

Anyway, a question for you guys. What was your first thing that popped in your mind when you saw the cover of the first Contra when you were just some little kids?
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 13:53
wardrox
Also, how did you all survive the earthquake?
Dead Movie Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 13:55
Dead Movie Star
How can a simple game like this not get so repetitive? Is it because of the difficulty or maybe just cause?
Hitogoroshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 13:56
Hitogoroshi
Nintendo Contra or Arcade Contra. Which do you guys prefer?

Also the laser is underrated as it does SERIOUS damage.
Brian Keljore's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:08
Brian Keljore
Why do all more recent Contra games (excluding the DS version) suck? How could they possibly screw it up so badly?
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:08
Sharpless
My question: THERE WILL BE PUPPIES.



I DRINK YOUR PUPPY. I DRINK IT UP!
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:13
Topher Cantler
@Agent Chieftain- I meant score-wise.

Sharpless, that's another win for you, sir. Puppies are always appreciated.
Geoff's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:17
Geoff
Chad, you look absolutely amazing.
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:20
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask
Who do you guys think have finger banged more chicks, Bill, Lance, or Chad
WhiteSpyderZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:23
WhiteSpyderZero
My first experience of Contra, was on an Amstrad CPC 6128, when it was called Gryzor (For some reason, Contra has always been screwed around with when it comes to titles and content - The ending to Gryzor ended up with the Earth exploding..I don't think that happened in the NES version!).

It was hard then (probably due to the fact I was using an old school joystiq), but to be honest - While I've never been able to finish a Contra/Probotector/Gryzor game without cheating, I still love 'em :)
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:25
Sharpless
@Topher
I wage war against the LOLcat overlords.

For cereal, though, if Chad were to input the Konami Code while fingerbanging, what would happen? Would the woman explode?
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:27
aborto thefetus
This better not fuck up my computer Topher you diabolical bastard.

anyway my question is thus:

Do you think extreme difficulties in games like Contra and Ninja Gaiden are a good idea, or do you think it just alienates gamers that aren't looking for as difficult an experience?

Because personally, I haven't been able to truly enjoy the Contra series. I like to have a challenge, but not to the extent that everytime I pick up the controller I get anal raped.

Also, the line "Just a bastard in a basket" is better than " I drink your milkshake".
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:29
naia-the-gamer
Yay Sharpless for the puppies!!! ^_______^

Also maybe she'd get 30 orgasms instead of 30 guys?

I missed the Contra bus back in the day, so I look forward to learning all about this hella hard franchise.
GoldBond's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:41
GoldBond
Was Contra: Hard Corps for the Genesis any good. I think its the only non-Playstation Contra I haven't played.
NegFactor's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:45
NegFactor
Contra was my first real side-scroller on Nintendo. I got that game down to a science so quickly. Eff your thirty lives, I only need one. :)

And Hitogoroshi is right, the Laser is a charm. Strangely, I've always found a fascination with the Machine Gun. Maybe just because it sounded neat when it was fired.

@aborto -- I think difficulty from game to game (even ones that can be considered similar in level of difficulty, like Ninja Gaiden and Contra) still creates a varying level of enjoyment. I love Contra and Ninja Gaiden, but Contra had two things going for it that Ninja Gaiden did not have.

1. Ridiculously short game length -- I've beaten Contra in under fifteen minutes and I know there are people out there who can easily do better. For all the difficulty that Contra has, it's easy to take the time to learn where the baddies are and their general method of operation when a game is so short. Ninja Gaiden is about learning the positions and methods of said baddies again, but also some ridiculous sets of jumps that have to be perfectly timed and the need for certain items in conjunction with them. Just in case you say Contra still matters in terms of item (weapon) usage in relation to the enemies...

2. Contra has a built-in code to dumb down the difficulty while at the same time, not dumbing down the difficulty -- 30 lives is going to probably get you through any game that doesn't have a ridiculous kill-point of some sort that just consumes lives. If you input that code, you have all the time in the world to either run through the game or simply study up on how things work. Ninja Gaiden not only lacks this, but also makes you start a ways back when you die, generally. Contra will at least just pop you right back onto the screen to continue the fight right where you left off.

Say what you will about 30 lives being kinda cheesy, but it's what made a lot of people's lives easier when they were learning the ropes of Lifeforce too.

Personally, I like the above-average difficulty of a game when it's handled right. I think Contra did it perfectly and I think Ninja Gaiden was a pretty good run at it also. I think overkill is when you get to something like Ghosts N' Goblins.

My question that I want to throw out there is...

For people who have actively played all these crazy action/side-scroller/shmups/whatevers of the past, do you prefer the simpler setup and all-over-the-board difficulty to the level of difficulty that shows up today on games?

That is, the difficulty in games today seems to be more centralized on move-sets related to the controller or just throwing out overpowering enemies in hopes that you develop your own personal strategy to dealing with what's coming.

I guess that's the one thing that really made difficult games of the past so enjoyable for me...linearity. The difficulty was represented by a constant that had one specifically good way to deal with it at all times and never really changed. Man, now I want to go back and play Lifeforce again. :P
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:47
Holyetheline
The crush gun is clearly the best weapon in the entire game... RIGHT?!?! RIGHT???!
phamtq's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:47
phamtq
Question: There's been a lot of talk about how games these days are easier on the gamer than before. Why do you think developers don't have a special "Contra Kicks Your Ass" setting for those wanting something more?
Elitechief27's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:55
Elitechief27
Do you guys have any funny memmories of playing Contra with friends. Also, how did you guys find out about the Konami Code? Was it written into your minds from birth, or did you just read a lotta Nintendo Power/Newsletter. Finally, a HAIKU on your coolness. It's also written in Iambic Pentameter(try saying that one Dyson)

Retroforce Go! Is

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(Yes Refridgerator is a five syllable word)
LethalHairdo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:55
LethalHairdo
I'd like to take up that challenge...I think I could give Chad a run for his money on Contra or Contra 3. These are basically two of my most favorite games ever! I prefer playing the original sans Konami Code and consider beating the third game on the hardest difficulty one of my favorite gaming accomplishments.

I need to know...what are your guys favorite weapon combos in Contra 3 (Mine are double Cs or a combo of C and Laser)? We all know that homing missiles are worthless if you play on any difficulty higher than easy.
DarkAnubisPwnr's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:55
DarkAnubisPwnr
Dude i forgot how fucking hard that game is, it totally not downloaded it on my not emulator. But i did get super excited when the title screen came on. I turned to my girl and said "See even the title screen is bad ass. But my question is, Would a girl be an acceptable player or should we stick to the shirtless sweaty man-gods of the game. (<3 u Collette)
LethalHairdo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 14:58
LethalHairdo
I'm curious to hear if you can find an answer to this:

Is there ANYTHING manlier than the Contra games?
droobies's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 15:03
droobies
I agree with Hitogoroshi (Dyson, please pronounce that on the show), real men use the laser.

Of all the "break the monotony of sidescrolling" levels, which did you prefer? The tunnel-running pseudo 3-D levels, or the top down Smash TV-like levels?
Passionate Styos's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 15:06
Passionate Styos
Another question:

Which boss is the mos fun to kill and which one is the most bastard?
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 15:09
njsykora
I've never played Contra. Where do I start?
Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 15:19
Cataract
Contra pretty much drinks my milkshake. I can't put it any simpler than that.
NihonTiger90's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 15:32
NihonTiger90
Thoughts on the more recent Conta games: Other than Contra 4, are they at all worthwhile?
WilloughbyJackson's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 15:45
WilloughbyJackson
Please tell me you guys played Contra Hard Corps for Genesis? As far as I remember, it was programmed by the Treasure guys before they left to form their own company.

That is my FAVORITE Contra game. A large variety of weapons (with a normal playing Contra dude, a girl, a wolf, and a robot), multiple endings, multiple paths, crazy bosses, hard as nails, and THE HIDDEN ENDING WHICH ROCKED THE WORLD (which I'll be nice and won't give away, but there is an appearance of a character from another famous Konami game..sort of...).
Knives's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 15:55
Knives
How often do you think about the first level song and have you hummed it in public spaces while going somewhere?
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 15:59
necrozen
So did you guys do marathon sessions of Contra with your best gaming friend? You know the kind where you brought all your food (microwave pizza) and drink (kick soda) to the living room, got caffeine buzzed and played till morning.

And this brings up another question. What other games were good for those multi-hour play sessions back in the day? For me a few come to mind: Road Rash (when you got tired of racing, you just started seeing who could crash the farthest), Decap-Attack, Zombies Ate My Neighbors. There are more but this is getting long so I'll end it here.
Tactix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 16:08
Tactix
Contra! Personally, the only one that I owned was Contra III: the Alien Wars...(speaking of puppies, do you remember the killer dogs that were in background rummaging through the trash before they tried to kill you in the first level? :P)

Anyway, my question is....How did you guys feel about the top view/split screen stages in Contra III?

I remembered I used to love to play that stage just so I could spin the screen SUPER fast :P

Anyway, cant wait to hear the show!
The Dutch Slayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 16:11
The Dutch Slayer
Why do you think that as a kid it looked like you could play contra for forever and not finnish it, or play it 100 times back 2 back without boring yourself.
And now it contra 1 and 2 maby 3 takes about +- 40 min to beat?
Is it just because we where kids or is there something else?

+ LOVE the show keep up the GREAT work! :)
ps: you have to talk about the music maby put the theme song in the show just like the zelda eps? ;)
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 16:15
BlackSunEmpire
Contra brings back a lot of controller throwing memories, thanks guys.

First a request, can we get a RevRant thats a bit more vitriolic this week?? Hes been a bit nicer recently, I want to hear him verbally castrate someone/something again.

Which nonsidescrolling levels did you prefer and why, the '3d', run into the background tunnels which were revisited in contra 4, or the top-down view levels??

Personally I was more of a fan of the topdown view, but contra 4 did justice to the tunnels, so I guess I can't complain.

Were any of the playstation remakes any good?? I never played any of them, but I'm sure some of you guys did.

And on the subject of photoshops, will Chad be a playable character in contra 5??
ElfAngel7's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 16:33
ElfAngel7
I've only played Contra 4. It's utterly destroyed my will. What methods and/or games that are Contra-like would be able to help mold me into a better, manlier epic alien killing machine?
UMF Skibum's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 16:39
UMF Skibum
Do you think any of the sequels (other than Contra 4) have lived up to the original?
MatCD's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 16:40
MatCD
three questions

1. What do you think of limited continues? I'm asking this because of the views I'm seeing of Triggerheart Exelica on XBLA and people are bashing it for being "too short", and the reason these people are able to even beat the game is because it has by default (and i see no option to turn it off) unlimited continues. I see these complains and think to my self "they wouldn't be complaining about that if they actually had to work for their win" which brings to question two

2. Why do you think brutally hard difficulty is good (or bad)? I personally like hard games for emotions that go with it; the fear and anxiety of likely failure, and the thrill and pride when met with success. I believe I just answered my own question so I'll rephrase it, do you agree with me?

finally
3. I beat Contra 4 on hard, may i have a cookie?
Jaren Face's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 16:58
Jaren Face
A little off topic,
but who would win in an all out epic showdown,
Jim's spiders or Chad's Dolphins?
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:04
Corak
Do you think a new Contra game similar to say Army of Two would be a good idea? Would it alienate fans of the origional side scroller? Or would a new version of it similar to say the upcoming Street Fighter HD that will be downloadable be a good thing?
ShinSennju's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:08
ShinSennju
what boss did you love beating the most and which one did you hate?

I loved the spaceship boss that had to be beaten while hanging from missiles =) Most badass sequence ever!

i hated the boss that you fought on the shifting sand (also in contra III)
BenHaskett's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:08
BenHaskett
I don't really have a quesstion, but I'm happy you're talking about Contra. I bought Contra 4 in January after you all talked about it for two months, and I really like it. I still haven't beat it, but hey, I'm trying! I beat it on easy mode, and beat all the challenges, but normal is just waaaay to hard. I've made it to level six without dying, but everything just falls apart there.

Yeah, Contra 4 is awesome. It's still is my DS.


OKay, here's a question: Chad, what's you high score on Contra 4? Mine is 176K.
ShinSennju's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:10
ShinSennju
Forgot to mention that Chad is even more AWESOME in his Contra outfit!
nademagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:21
nademagnet
I love these games, but I always get destroyed by them. I just don't have the skills
MPHtails's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:22
MPHtails
Man, i luvs me sum Contra.

My question is: What is your worst contra related memory? I'm sure there's a few if you think really hard back to your early days. Was it whipping your controller into the dog, forcing a trip to the vet? Blackout just before finishing off the final boss? Getting grounded for excessive foul language?


Also, why did they change Super C so much from the Arcade to the NES? I noticed it was waaaay easier on the VC than on XBLA.
MPHtails's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:22
MPHtails
Man, i luvs me sum Contra.

My question is: What is your worst contra related memory? I'm sure there's a few if you think really hard back to your early days. Was it whipping your controller into the dog, forcing a trip to the vet? Blackout just before finishing off the final boss? Getting grounded for excessive foul language?


Also, why did they change Super C so much from the Arcade to the NES? I noticed it was waaaay easier on the VC than on XBLA.
Dr Kai's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:25
Dr Kai
Contra for the NES was the first game that we went from unwrapping on Christmas morning to watching Lance & Bill fly away from the exploding island in under 3 hours. My parents were devastated that we beat it so quickly, but for some reason I can pick up Contra and play through it without ever getting bored.
JTHomeslice's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:41
JTHomeslice
Contra. Damn. Kids these days say games are hard. Damn it, I'm 15 and I love Contra, while most of my friends don't know what it is. I can't wait to hear it.

I'll gladly take that ass-whippin', Chad.
Luigi takes over's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:41
Luigi takes over
@Dr. Kai
OBJECTION!!!!!!
Liar! Those memories are fake. Your life is a lie.

This game finger-banged me until I passed out, but I don't think it holds a candle to the difficulty of Ninja Gaiden 2. I beat Contra, but it wasn't easy and I didn't just pick it up and beat it.

I have a question!

Contra is the game where I found and learned the famous konami code out of sheer desperation. Did you guys learn it here too? Or are you going to lie to me and tell me that when you were young you beat it in one sitting the first time you played it.

Because if you're telling me you beat Contra with ease, without cheating, as child you are a dirty liar.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2008 17:44
Haxan
ONe of my happiest gaming moments was at the end of the summer when I was 12 or maybe 13, I was finally able to pull off beating the original Contra without losing a single life. I did it once more soon after, but now I can't make it past the third level on my original life.

Which leads to my questions:

How lives does it take to get to the heart-filled center of the Alien Fortress? And do you find that you are better or worse than when you were the video game savant back in your prime (or am I the only one to have their skills deteriorate as I approach 30)?
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