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RetroforceGO! recording episode 34 tonight: TurboGrafx 16 and PC Engine photo

Tonight we take a look at the TurboGrafx 16 and all the shooters games that made it great. From shoot-em-ups to cute-em-ups, Bonk to Zonk, to its weird controller and everything in between, we think it deserves its own episode.

Personally, I never had a TurboGrafx 16 growing up, so my experience is limited to what I played at friends' houses. Good thing we've got a special guest coming on to fill in the blanks. Hudson's John Lee will be joining us tonight to help celebrate this underrated console, so hit the comments with your questions for us and for him. Remember, our favorite wins $25, and probably a visit from Chad as well. Who knows? 








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njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:07
njsykora
What do you think has made the Turbografx such a popular retro console? Is it just the rarity of it or something else?
's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:09
Clint
I never had one either, but I remember constantly playing Bomberman '93 at a friends house. I still play it all the time on my Wii when friends are over.
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:10
AgentMOO
I think no one except for "that friend" owned this console.


Why do you think the adoption rate was so low for the console, was it a lack of marketing, bad mascot, or pricing? Something about a caveman with infant proportions doesn't resonate with youngins.


How do you like your blazers, do you prefer them navy, black, or lazing?
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:12
Rainbowblack
I loved playing my cousins TG-16 and despite his insistence that we aught to be playing splatterhouse and bonk I could not help but play the greatest pinball game all pinball games should aspire to be

DEVILS CRUSH!!!

I would kill for a PSP version that required you to hold the PSP vertically
aimlesssoybeanplant's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:14
aimlesssoybeanplant
Just how many (to the nearest thousand) shumps were released for the damn thing?
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:15
SourGr8pes
No one ever directly owned this console; it was always a "friend of a friend"

I heard the PC Engine had some kickass games, but I was too young to get into the import scene at the time.
topcow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:16
topcow
What TG-16 titles are you anxiously awaiting on the VC? (Beyond Shadowgate anyone?)


Make sure Vigo approves.
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:18
Rainbowblack
there was a shadowgate for TG-16???

I had no f'n clue. is it any diffrent from the SNES....nevermind I was thinking Shadowrun lmao
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:22
ajay42
What (if any) were the advantageous features of the TG-16 vs. the other consoles of it's era? (hint: I think the answer to this question and its amazingly low sales are somewhat correlated. Only somewhat, since having good mascots and advertising was pretty crucial back then as well...)

By the way, not to make you guys feel too good or anything but I wanted to just post here quick to say that Retroforce is pretty much the only games podcast I can bear to listen to on a regular basis since you guys have a wide range of pov's in your commentary and a wide range of games (from pretty much all eras) in your material. I would never have started reading destructoid if not for discovering your podcast (although, I only finally made an account so I could participate in a FNF.)
velcroman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:24
velcroman
turbografx?


squeee!
Guagloves's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:31
Guagloves
Who is your favorite TG-16 mascot?

My personal favorite is Bonk.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:37
AngelsDontBurn
I had one and I loved it! :D

Splatter House, Dragon Spirit, Vigilante, Jackie Chan's Adventure, Bonk's Adventure.

God I miss that system.
topcow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:38
topcow
@ Guagloves

Johnny Turbo FTW

[img]http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e3/JohnnyTurbo.jpg[/img
topcow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:39
topcow


Fail post is fail.
Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:47
Cataract
Thats some bitchin' facial hair.
Slick Icarus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 12:52
Slick Icarus
Why do you think the TurboGrafx 16 never caught on in the U.S., considering it was pretty popular in Japan?
's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:03
Clint
@Slick Icarus
Sega Genesis came out at around the same time and people bought it instead (better marketing for the Genesis probably caused that) while in Japan it came out at least a year earlier then the Genesis. Then two years later came the SNES from a company with an amazing reputation. It's hard to have a three-way console war as the Gamecube/PS2/X-Box showed and so the Turbo Grafx faded away.
Lemon Of Pink's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:07
Lemon Of Pink
I heard about chad's evil laugh on Podtoid, and I would really like to hear it. You've got to make him do it. Sorry, that's a bit off topic.

Why do you think the turbografx never really took off in the US? Despite being a wee gamer around that time, and playing a lot of NES, I had never even heard of the turbografx until much later in my life.
Lemon Of Pink's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:09
Lemon Of Pink
Sorry slick Icarus, your comment managed to sneak by me. You are a true ninja.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:15
wardrox
Not a question, but I was out at Pangea (the largest student night in Europe (massive building, loads of rooms, several bars)) last night and found they had a "retro gaming room" where they played nothing but old school dnb and had dozens of consoles set up!

I spent about an hour playing the Genesis before my mates pulled me away. I was thinking of you guys :)


Question: Favorite accessory?
Ambulance-Y's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:20
Ambulance-Y
if the TurboGrafx was so great how come it couldn't even spell graphics right?
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:21
Rainbowblack
was nt the TG-16 ridiculously priced?

I might have the system confused with the Neo-geo. One of those systems went for as much as a PS3. even the games were expesive at 100$ a pop
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:31
nilcam
@Rainbowblack: The NeoGeo was about $600 and games aterted around $200. The TG-16 was close to the price of the Genesis and was dropped to $49.99 with a Keith Courage in Alpha Zones packed in around the time the SNES launched.

My question for the RetroForce crew: What was the best add-on for the Turbo? The CD drive, Super CD upgrade chip, the Turbo tap or Turbo booster?

Also, which was the best shmup on the system?
's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:35
Clint
@nilcam
Really? In the US? Hmm, I guess I was just at the age where I didn't realize how much things actually cost.
The Johnggernaut's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:41
The Johnggernaut
I'd ask John what caused him to go with a 'card' system for the games instead of a cartridge (which was basically a card inside a big piece of plastic lol). Was it just to be different? Cut costs? I personally liked it, but did end up breaking a few games rather easily... :/
A New Challenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 13:44
A New Challenger
When is Rondo of Blood coming to the Virtual Console?

I never even saw a TurboGrafx 16 back in the day, but I do remember seeing commercials for it. Bonk's Adventure looked AMAZING compared to the Atari and NES games I had played up to then. I think I saw a discounted volleyball game for it once at Pic-N-Save as well. Since then, I've enjoyed Soldier Blade quite a bit on the Wii.

How likely is it that Capcom will rape our wallets some more and give the green light for the PC Engine version of Street Fighter II to appear on the VC?

Parasol Stars: Isn't it about time this came to home consoles again? Hell, there are TWO Bubble Bobble remakes on the DS! I've never played Parasol Stars.

What the hell is up with Wonder Boy? I know the answer, more or less, but it has to be asked for the benefit of everyone listening.

I think the high retro interest in the TG-16 is precisely because it was relatively unpopular in the US, even though people knew about the games on the system (or have since discovered interesting titles in its library.) Now that we're older it's natural to want to play this collection of games many of us never had the opportunity to see back in the day.
Dastardly007's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 14:03
Dastardly007
Question: Will you guys ever do a show about the some of the retro systems that were popular in Europe?

As much as I love to hear you reminisce about the NES I'd love to hear a show about the Commodore 64, The Spectrum, The Amiga etc.

Surely some people in the U.S played consoles other than Nintendo?

Love the show - keep up the great work.
A New Challenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 14:13
A New Challenger
@Dastardly:

Maybe they'll invite Sterling & Co. to one of these recording sessions some time.
The GHost's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 14:18
The GHost
Dear RFGO!,

Three days ago a friend of mine showed me the Konami episode, and it was like a luminous dolphin-cherub had descended from retro heaven to say unto me:

"A winner is you"

Since then, I went back and listened to every episode and subsequently joined Destructoid just to comment on RFGO! Keep up the great work guys and gal!

My questions are more handheld related, and revolve around the TurboExpress. The system was much prettier than the Gameboy and even played TG-16 games (ZOMG!!!11!one!), and yet it was so full of fail that only four people ever bought one, and three of those people were NEC executives. So, to end this massive wall of self indulgent text, do you guys think that the TurboExpress running TG-16 games helped or hindered it? Maybe some original content would have helped it stave off a brutal manhandling from Nintendo? Do y'all think that TG-16 games even make for good mobile experiences? (I would say yes, the much maligned glut of shooters FTW)
Phist's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 14:34
Phist
The Turbographx, the console I coveted most as a kid. I was so jealous of my rich friends that had one. I remember R-Type popping pretty well on this system or was it just in my mind? I had a lot of fun last year not playing not roms on my not computer. We need a remake of Splatterhouse and R-Type now.

RFGO pullin in the newbers. Good yob, crew.
phamtq's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 14:37
phamtq
Why did the system decide to only have 1 controller port when all the other consoles at the time had two? Was the Turbo Tap a means to correct this or to make additional money off of accessories?

Do you believe the economic conditions in the US as compared to Japan (at the time) prevented US consumers from purchasing a gaming system in addition to their NES or Genesis?

With your 20/20 hindsight goggles on, what do you think the TurboGrafx-16 could have done differently in order to do well?
Dead Movie Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 14:38
Dead Movie Star
Here's one for you:

Would you like a new Turbografx system? Like the Turbografx 800? It would only have shoot em ups and the controller would look like a dildo with a tumor but wouldn't it be awesome?
Leviticus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 14:55
Leviticus
The TG16 was considerably less popular than the Genesis and the SNES. As a competitor, would you say that the TG16 was an underrated console, a "diamond in the rough", so to speak?
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 14:56
Darren Nakamura
Ack! Every mention of the Turbo Grafx 16 brings back fond memories of my grandparents' house, and then makes me angry because WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO RELEASE KEITH COURAGE IN ALPHA ZONES ON THE VIRTUAL CONSOLE GODDAMMIT!?

Ahem. Pardon me.

One thing I never really remember is commercials for the TG-16. Do you think it was this that caused the eventual demise of the system, or was it more a matter of not having enough of a variety when it comes to games?
Torzelan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 15:18
Torzelan
Just wanted to say that I've listened through the last episode in its entirety four times this past week, no joke. Was halfway through a fifth run but realized that it was madness, so promptly changed back to the shmups-episode. Looking forward to a new one... :)

Also, anyone of you ever on any "public" voicecomms, like Destructoids ventrilo channel? Been thinking about getting my ass on there sometime. No idea what people are talking about in there though :)
smurfee mcgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 15:21
smurfee mcgee
Do you think the CD-ROM add-on would have been more popular in the U.S. if there had been more "eroge", like in Japan?

Also, what are your thoughts on China Warrior?
trydizon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 15:34
trydizon
Which is the better name?
Blazing Lazers, Lazing Blazers, or Gunhed?

AND

Nick Arcade. Discuss.
8ch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 15:53
8ch
All of the current gen systems are built upon the failures and successes of the consoles that came before them. What do you think the TG16's contribution is?
JDUB X's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 15:55
JDUB X
Awesome!

I love hearing about systems that I missed out on.

Should be a great episode
Knivy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 15:56
Knivy
What would be Colette's reaction if this question won the $25 and those were used to pay for the Chocobo hat?

Would Colette forgive me if I buy her something at comic-con?
GoldBond's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:04
GoldBond
Can you keep the Strongbad impressions to a minimum? Thanks.
niacin's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:17
niacin
have to second Dastardly007 in that i want to know if any of you guys ever played the commodore 64, sure ain't exactly relevant to this show but thinkin of the future.
KMCC's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:46
KMCC
I remember one kid having a TG16 in my elementary school, and that was a big deal. No one had it.
droobies's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 16:59
droobies
What is it about the last two generations of consoles that changed the paradigm that you couldn't have a menage a trois in competing consoles? Agree? Disagree? It just seems that up until the fall of the Dreamcast, the U.S. only had room for 2 consoles at a time. If you disagree, which of the last two generations' consoles would you parallel with the TG16.

To me, the TG16 was always the console that sat in the plexi kiosk at Toys R Us when you were a kid shopping around for games on your Nintendo or Sega consoles. It was that mysterious console that no one you knew had save for maybe one kid at your entire school. Doesn't mean it's a bad system, just that as impressionable youth, Bonk couldn't compete with the bombardment of NES or Sega commercials, cartoons, magazines, breakfast cereals, etc.

I'm looking forward to this one. RetroforceGO!, assemble! Give me a reason to go on more retro gaming hunts, so I can email Dyson and Topher about my finds from re-buying my childhood.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 17:11
John B
When the hell are you guys REALLY going to go "retro" and start to bring the 8-bit computer world (Commodore 64, Apple IIe, etc.) into the discussion? Hell, that's more retro than any of the consoles that you guys talk about on a regular basis.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 17:16
John B
@niacin:

I wrote my C64 post before I read yours and Dastardly007's, but I agree with D007 completely! The C64 was not much more that an arcade computer to the vast majority of us who used it. Yes, it could be used for some productivity, but to those of us you used it daily the C64 was first and foremost a gaming machine, NOT a pre-IBM PC.

Just because C64 games weren't on a console doesn't make them less "retro" than any other game that RetroforceGO talks about.

Wear it with pride: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/8113/
Netrat33's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 17:36
Netrat33
I'm "that friend" heh. Still have my TurboDuo. Love that thing! But it was an expensive system at the time and didn't have as many games/marketing behind it. But it had so many good rpg/adventure games.
Fading Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 17:39
Fading Star
YAY...TurboGrafx 16!
Hitogoroshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 17:45
Hitogoroshi
WOOHOO TG16!!!! Lords of Thunder. One of my all time favorite shooters.
Rainbowblack's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2008 17:52
Rainbowblack
Soooooo..

Now that our questions are out of the way shall we drive up the post count? lol

You know, in preparation of episode 50, wouldn't hurt to put in some practice. I believe the number were aiming for is 110 no?
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