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RetroforceGO! Episode 48: The retro renaissance?
RetroforceGO! Episode 48: The retro renaissance? screenshot
Dyson
\\ 05.05.2008
42 comments

With all the "everything old is new again" mentality floating around the gaming world, the crew of RFGO! decided to weigh in on the current state of retro. Are companies just cashing in on the seemingly hot trend of retro? Or are the retro revivals on the horizon a signal that you can't keep a good franchise down? Maybe it's a little bit of both, who knows? That's why the gang decided to throw in our own two cents on the subject for this week's show.

Highlights!

  • Dyson returns from the awesome apocalypse
  • Happy birthday Topher!
  • Listen to my stories
  • All awesome, all the time
  • The power of four is back!
  • New picture trend is win
  • No joke. Design my next tattoo
Since I'm once again writing this in the most hasty manner, I'm just going to leave you with the download page, and well wishes. Til next week, folks!


42 COMMENTS, LATEST BY Corncobtacular
WHERE IS EPISODE 49?!?!!?! I'm going through withdrawal. And don't worry about making them shorter, you guys are doing an awesome job -    view discussion




There are 42 comments about this post:
Spartacus's Avatar
<3
Heretic's Avatar
Forgot the T in the url

download page
perri's Avatar
Nice, just what I need on this 13hr day at school, in the summer...RFGO, you distract me just enough.
tornotlukin's Avatar
neat! this podcast gets me through work!
ElfAngel7's Avatar
Dyson, for the love of all that's awesome, DL the new Golgo 13 series. It's freaking awesome! The first 3 episodes are out.
JTHomeslice's Avatar
Yay amazing!
Go Man's Avatar
Retro-Renaissance...
That's the title of my blog!
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar
Hearing that Dyson and King Friday enjoyed my gift, made me incredibly happy, and Collete's anecdote even more so :D
calpis's Avatar
Any way you guys could post the show topics before 11pm pst so I could get in a question before I leave for work? I don't get home until after you guys start recording :(

Orif you take bribes, Dyson, I gots bribing materials.
Major Mustard's Avatar
Itunes sure is takin its time...
naia-the-gamer's Avatar
I like Retronauts, but they don't hold a candle to you guys.

Also I said this in your blog Dyson, but I don't get the appeal to GTA either. You're not the only one at all.

Back to listening

<3
Zero Atma's Avatar
For fuck's sake, Dyson, Saturn games?!
If you ever see Guardian Heroes, I will SEND YOU MONEY TO BUY IT
welkstar's Avatar
Yay! My favorite part of Monday!

Design a tattoo? I haven't listened yet, but I'm interested.
Violet Son's Avatar
I save house chores for Mondays so I can do them while listening to RFGO. Then it's not even like work.
classybot's Avatar
Hey Dyson, I'm going to be living in San Francisco soon (3 or 4 months), and Slosh Ball sounds amazing. Is it open to the public?
Samit Sarkar's Avatar
iTunes-ing now!
Topher Cantler's Avatar
@Calpis- I post it every Sunday around 4pm Eastern. o_O
The GHost's Avatar
@Dyson
I was playing the PSone version of Lunar and I know that it's a remake, but I would love ANOTHER remake because that game is SO DAMN GOOD :D

I'm building up a library of baby animal pictures for next week ;)
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar
I'm totally with Topher on the "don't remake it if it's still fun" thing. I can' enjoy shit like Pacman or Space Invaders, and Space Invaders Extreme totally made it fun again.

But...am I so wrong for wanting a remake of Zelda 1? It doesn't need anything new...just diagonal movement. That an a Zelda II that doesn't knock my head half-way up my own ass.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar
Oh, and I forgot that FF 1 and 2 on GBA (Dawn of Souls) are the only versions of the games I can stand to play these days. Thank Jesus for Magic Points.
Procyon's Avatar
Just out of curiosity, does anyone in this podcast read Retrogaming Times Monthly? (Which I happen to edit... We just put May's issue to bed and it will be online this week.) Just curious.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar
Sorry for whoring the comments, but I have a cute, not-puppy animal for you guys. It's an illustration so I guess it doesn't REALLY count, but it's so freaking cute that I can't help but cry.

naia-the-gamer's Avatar
Holy shit Colette! Did you know Conspiracy Games was supposed to bring the Sega Ages remakes to the US a few years ago, but never happened? I remember following the news on RPGamer a few years ago. I'm so mad. They were supposed to redo Phantasy Star IV too and it NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED!!! Boo!

I think in terms of "remakes/revivals" I don't need much, but I would like to look at these "remakes" as "Director's cuts" if you will. In that case I would WANT to see Super Metroid, ALTTP, Chrono Trigger, etc.

I've read in interviews that due to storage limitations only about 25% of the dialogue from FFIV made it into the game. While I don't think the remaining 75% made it into the DS version, but I'm interested in seeing how much more flushed out the characters would be when there is less of a technological hinderance. I'm sure FFIV isn't the only game out there like that. Also this interview came from people that originally worked on the game. It makes me hopeful that it will be good (fangirlism aside).

You guys talk about updating graphics, but what about audio? I think a lot of these games would be amazing with some re-orchestrations and audio makeovers.

Dyson, I liked the Prime games, but I would take a 2D Metroid over a 3D Metroid ANY DAY for what that's worth. I also want a 2.5D Castlevania game on a console. The excuses they're making is bullshit.

@Topher regarding series that get fucked with: You mean everything Sega has done *cough* Phantasy Star *cough* Shining Force *cough* Sonic?

Seriously developers, like they say: take more risks. It's sad that most of my most anticipated titles are are on portables and small download, not the big "generic" titles. Stupid kids.
JTHomeslice's Avatar
HEY HEY HEY I want 2D.
A New Challenger's Avatar
Re: Dyson's poem:

"I Am The Wind" is the title of the end theme from the original Castlevania: Symphony of the Night.
Brian Keljore's Avatar
So wait... if you are four have "The Power of Four" with the power of elements, does that make Rev. the last planeteer-esque character with the power of "heart?"

Also, sorry for posting a picture that derailed the beginning of part 2 and started the Dyson/Topher Blood Feud.

Good times.
Projectexodus's Avatar
On the webpage for Norway's biggest national newspaper recently:
A fox mother came to some family's house, screaming for aid to rescue her children who's been trapped in a hole near the edge of a road.
Apparently the fox mother's been visiting the family for years for food, so she's basicly tame now.

So, here's some picture of the cute fox babies, wich should satisfy your need Colette. :)



Wiid Whacker's Avatar
What's with the fox pics? We need to add some Asians and pancakes into the mix!

Niceeee...
A New Challenger's Avatar
I just saw Space Invaders Extreme in the latest Nintendo Power and wondered why the hell they were doing another DS remake after the blah first one, then the praise in this podcast made me go to YouTube and check it out.... wow. I might have to import a paddle controller for this.
Wexx's Avatar
Great show. And Colette, a remake of the first Silent Hill would be amaaaaaaaaziiiiiiinning!

Great show overall. Love you guys.
PaperBowser0's Avatar
Yeah, I agree with you Colette, a remake of the first Silent Hil.....I just came.
Dyson's Avatar
Wild Whacker is my new best friend. And not in the Chad Concelmo "new best friend" way, where he gets a new one every twenty minutes ;)

AN Challenger, that poem of mine is far, far older than Symphony of the Night. Even older than the N64! I'd actually have to sit down and rewrite it from memory, as I've never actually written it down on paper before, it's always been verbal.

Brian, Rev is actually a non-entity. Not in the way that implies that he is a non-person, but in that his mere presence will negate The Power of Four's ability to coexist, while simultaneously ripping a hole in the fabric of the universe and depositing our useless bodies in a merlinesque crystal cage.

I believe it is more commonly referred to as Paraguay.

Fox babies are cute!

SWPM, His Majesty and I thank you again!

Sloshball is invite only, but I know I guy who can make things happen ...

Nai, thanks for the compliments. Also, I did see you catch my Cblog. I'm glad I'm not alone in the opinions that I have for the GTA series. Also, Prime is what it is, people can like it or not, but it ain't what the series deserves :(

C'mon Zero, you don't think I would've grabbed Guardian Heroes if it was there ;)
Jacobgray's Avatar
As to the bit about remaking the original Legend of Zelda with SNES quality graphics, they did.
Demtor's Avatar
Mmmm, new Golgo 13 series info (its kind of scattered) Episode 3 aired in Japan over the weekend I believe. You can torrent episodes 1 and 2 fansubs so far. 3 is probably up soon here if not already. Apparentely they are making 50 episodes...go ahead and wet yourself now and light up a smoke, I know I did.

http://anime.fansub.tv/series.php/1213/Golgo%2013%20TV/
http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2008/04/12/snapshots-golgo-13/
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=9341
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Golgo_13_episodes
Irvine_frost's Avatar
thank you for quoting me. and just a tought, imagine a metroid or a catlevania in 2D, or with 3D characters but with a 2D gameplay but with the potential of the modern console, the fan orgasm will be massive like a room full with naked asian women with ikaruga bikinis playing taito drum master drinking pepsi chocobo special edition and eating pizza rolls with dolphin shape.
Zero Atma's Avatar
*Warning* Rant coming on, because I'm replying to a lot of what was said at once...
Colette, there is no FF1 and 2 for the DS, just for the PSP. There is FF Dawn of Souls, which is FF1 and 2 for GBA.
Also, I'm going to mention MM Powered Up (MMPU) and Maverick Hunter X (MHX) again because:
a) I am admittedly a fanboy
2) They are vastly underrated games
c) It's an apt argument

Colette mentioned the FF1 and 2 for PSP, and how they were just beautifying the sprites/graphics without changing anything. Also, there was the comment about comparing a remake/revival (I'd call it a "reinvention") to the original.
Well, MMPU is MM1, with BEAUTIFUL graphics on the PSP, luscious colorful 2.5 graphics (3D graphics on a 2D play-field), and true-to-the-original gameplay. MHX was the same way - it was Mega Man X with 2.5D graphics, better storytelling, but the same mechanics. The great thing about MMPU is that the original MM1 comes on the UMD, so you can directly compare.

We need more things like that, I considered those to be essentially fanservice not just cashwhoring. I think Rondo of Blood was like that too.

As for Iga and a 2 or 2.5D Castlevania, I agree that XBLA/PSN would be best ofr those. I actually worry about the next iterations of the portables; if they get too powerful, is there going to be a push towards 3D on them like on the PS2? Sony, from what I heard, pushed developers very hard to produce 3D games for the PS2. If that's true, will there be a push away from 2D everywhere? Will there be too much of a push towards "realistic" graphics? I still like 2D games with stylized graphics. I know there's the ongoing debate about stylized vs. realistic graphics, and I think most of us agree that what constitutes "good" graphics is highly dependent of style, and that style of graphics a) must fit the game, and b) must be done well, regardless of what the style is.

FInally, as for FF7, I've played it a few times: the first time, and periodically thereafter, every few years, and I think it becomes less interesting and less FUN each time through. I find that, as I experience the story more and more, I realize it's very poorly told. The gameplay is fine, it's just a typical JPRG; the materia makes every character generic in terms of gameplay/style, but I think the bigger point is that this "epic" story just flows poorly and is badly written. Sorry Colette! I think as the "newness" wore off with repeated playing, the glow faded and I saw things with a more critical eye I realized that it doesn't hold up the way FF4 and FF6 do.

Okay, that's it for now. Sorry for the TL/DNR-esque post.
PS. FF4DS is supposed to have new content that wouldn't fit in the SFC/SNES version, and I think it looks BEAUTIFUL!
ScottyG's Avatar
Heh, I was about to write to you about the Transformers movie and how awesome it still is. Then I remembered the travesty that is the live-action Transformers movie which you're probably referring to. After I watched that I watched the animated one 3 times in a row, and the tears from seeing (spoiler alert :p) Optimus Prime die washed away the pain.

Oh, and to alleviate some of your fears: last I heard the original team (or at least as many as they could get I assume) are working on the new Earthworm Jim. So there's a good reason to be excited about the game. :)
Hitogoroshi's Avatar
Awesome episode as always.

FFIV is precious to me like VII is to Collette. I understand where she is coming from but anytime I see something about the IV remake I have to hold back tears. I don't know why but I guess I just have a different reaction to it being remade.
Loose Nukes's Avatar
hate to break up the circle jerk, but did I really need to hear the play by play of your entire weekend? I know I'm being a dick, and I feel bad because I love the show. This one was hard for me though. Stories are fun, but that was painful to get through. You have friends, you get drunk, you go out on the weekends and do crazy things. We get it!

and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, That's all I can hear right now.
Infinitys End's Avatar
at 1:53:45 Dyson said: "What if they took the ORIGINAL Zelda, and maybe improved the graphics to maybe a more like, Super Nintendo kind of style."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BS_Zelda >_>
Hoodie's Avatar
Oh man. I love you guys, but this ep just seemed kind of... general. But Chad totally had Dyson on the ropes re: Metroid Prime and it was awesome.
Corncobtacular's Avatar
WHERE IS EPISODE 49?!?!!?! I'm going through withdrawal. And don't worry about making them shorter, you guys are doing an awesome job

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