Another week, another podcast, and another chance to hem and haw about games from a cranky old gamers point of view. Yes folks, it's time for another RetroforceGO!
This week, the Core Four reunites and has a long, looooong discussion in celebration of the Month of Metroid. As always, we do our best to be at least semi-accurate in our musings, but mostly, we just try to spend our time having fun.
Highlights!
- Is it the next BEST WEEK EVER!! :) ?
- Only Chad's new Dolphin-ometer can say for sure
- Topher is sick, send him your loves :(
- The Prime issue: Chad loves, Dyson hates
- Hey Achievement whores, Rev has something for ya'
- Colette: "Can I kill some shit already?!"
- This episode brought to you by Tostino's Pizza Rolls, they're delish!
- It's not the same Becky. It just isn't.
So tune in, turn on, and drop out with RFGO!. The only podcast on Destructoid officially sanctioned by the weird looking homeless man on my corner. In case you were wondering, the download page is right here. And yes, there is a contest.
[Uh, sorry the show is a day late. There really wasn't much I could do about it, so lets just say it was due to Internet ninjas and their ninja ways.]
Contest:
6:03 PM on 09.04.2007
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Anyways, Downloading in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
I still haven't gotten my contest prize, is that still in the mail? Just want to make sure it didn't get sent out and lost. I'm perfectly fine with you guys taking your time because hey, free money.
Also, I need a way to listen to this on my Wii.
Thanks for adding to the conversation.
Heretic, I think that you're responding to the voices in your head.
Underscore removed. Download that.
So, I'm too stubborn to use iTunes. The streaming player on the page works, but the direct download link redirects to the Dtoid main page, and intermittently to a 404 - Not found page. Just so you know.
1. Metroid Prime
2. Metroid
3. Super Metroid
4. Metroid 2
Wordpress is total shit.
My iTunes downloaded the episode just fine. Double check and let me know if you still have an issue.
And nobody has gotten the correct answers yet. I'm tricky, I am.
Metroid
Super Metroid
Metroid: Zero Mission
I base that on assuming it not being Metroid 1, 2, or 3, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't sound like 4... though it really doesn't sound like a GBA sound effect at all, so I think I'm wrong. I don't have Zero Mission anymore to check =<
Also you DON'T have to scan everything to get the good ending, the ending you get depends on ITEM collection just like the old games, well the old games were a combination of item collection & how fast you finished it. Personally I don't like being rushed in my games, I like to take my time so having the good ending depend on item collection alone was a good change. Scanning everything just unlocks some artwork.
As for the first person view, it was an important & worthwhile change and I couldn't imagine playing the Metroid Prime games any other way. For a series that is so atmospheric seeing things through the visor of Samus as if you were Samus really made me feel better connected to the world. What's the big deal about having a 3rd person view, oh great let's have a Samus character model block a chunk of the screen.
The first person view wasn't just that, you could see edges of the helmet, you had a HUD which was apart of the visor, the visor would become affected by many things such as heat, water, electricity and you could even see a reflection of Samus at times. Believe me it wasn't just "oh let's have it viewed from a first person", they really put some thought into it.
I love the 2D Metroid games & I really feel the Metroid Prime games made the jump to 3D perfectly. Exploration, atmospheric, puzzle solving, superb boss battles, amazing level design. You know what really sold me on the Metroid Prime games being successful jumps to 3D, the ability to turn off the hints system. When I saw that I was like "Okay, this really is Metroid in 3D.
First Person View + Shooting = FPS
WRONG
If anyone actually plays the Metroid Prime games all the way though to the end you'll notice it has much more in common with action/adventure games than it does mindless FPS.
Conquered: Super Metroid, Metroid Zero Mission
Conquering: Metroid Fusion
To be Conquered: Metroid 2
[i]First Person View + Shooting = FPS
WRONG[/i]
o rly? Because "FPS" doesn't stand for "First-person shooter" or anything. You can gussy it up however you want, but the core of the game is an FPS. The exploration elements don't change what it is.
Re: Metroid Fusion,
Dyson said this one was pretty linear, and I agree that it was. I didn't really mind that, however, because I was scared shitless of the SA-X. I mean, I was pretty sure the game wouldn't make me face it before I had a fighting chance, but that didn't keep me from feeling pure terror when it appeared.
That's like saying that Role Playing + Game= RPG ... Wrong!
Also, I've noticed a few people make the comment about not wanting to be rushed through there games, and that non-rushed feeling is what they liked about Prime. All I can say is, what are you talking about?
Speed running the 2D Metroids is one of the last things you do in the game. Most people play through it at their own pace several times before trying to do the speedrun.
Saying that you're always being rushed in the 2D versions is inaccurate, and leads me to believe that some people haven't played the originals. Enjoy whatever games for whatever reasons you want, but defending Prime because "you're not rushed" is invalid reasoning.
Just saying
I agree with half of what Xavier said.. like how you didn't need to scan things, and that if you were smart, you'd be able to tell what was important and what wasn't. And I can't believe you said scans changed the ending! The only thing they did was unlock bonus art. There's even less focus on scanning in the new Prime, too. It's all about touching and twisting things now. But whatever.
Getting 100% items was how you got the good endings in the Primes. And I'd like to point out that the more you scanned or simply looked around in the scan visor, you could see where items might be hidden. It was almost like looking around with the X-ray visor, seeing panels of walls that were made out of Talloric alloy or something. (If you were geeky enough to read the in game menus about your items, you'd know all the different metals and minerals that could be destroyed by different bombs and missiles. Which I'll admit is pretty nerdy sounding. Also, I hate Benzium or whatever it was that you needed the power bombs for! It was all over the place sometimes!)
Anyway, I just thought the scanning was a good extension of the heavy exploration of past Metroids. If you wanted to!
So, now I can't remember half of what was said, but I do know everyone loves Super Metroid. It was my first Metroid experience and I was completely obsessed with it for maybe 4 years of my single digit youth. But because of my age, I didn't have the resources to purchase it, so I would constantly beg my parents to get it for me, but they wouldn't. They'd rent me a game every weekend, though. So, I think I must have rented it a million times.
The first time I got to actually own Super Metroid was on the VC, a few weeks ago! (And a not ROM on my PC, but that doesn't count) So, um.. yay?
Oh, and AgentMoo: Thanks for standing up for those of us to like our GamerScores. I'll admit I went a little crazy for a bit with it, see?
But, in the end for me, it's just a feature to keep things interesting and maybe encourage me/people to do more things or maybe try things in a different way. And yeah, I was competing with my friends, but now I'm way ahead, so it's lost it's luster.
1. Metroid Prime
2. Metroid
3. Super Metroid
4. Super smash brothers
!!!!!
But not all games are like that, for example the oblivion achievements have to do with guild missions and main story only, and there is a lot more in that game that just doing all those missions. I do agree that it encourages the player to try to do new stuff that they would probably wouldn't if it didn't have an achievement, but in some cases it completely alienates the player from the game and for example in bishock, where the player is supposed to make decisions, in players that care a lot about gamerscore those decisions are based only on how many points they can get.
@Rev
I don't know if you can turn off only achievement notifications, but you can turn off notifications in general which also include notifications for msgs received, player sign in, wants to chat, wants to play,
I turned them off when i got like 7 achievements in 10 mins pretty much starting the game (hack a bot, hack a cam, hack a turret, hack a vending machine, electrocute someone...)
2. Metroid
3. Super Metroid
4. Metroid Prime Pinball
1) Metroid Prime
2) Metroid
3) Super Metroid
4) Metroid
I would say he should at least apologize for going beyond his insipid opinion, and actually insulting both people that like the game, and the developers.
Again, not worth bothering to explain that, but he's obviously very bitter towards the game, and doesn't seem to have any goddamn good reason why. He needs to just accept he wouldn't have been happy with ANY version of a 3d Metroid and stop trying to justify it.
I told you I was tricksy! In case you're wondering, the fourth sound is the sound that the doors make when they open (and I believe close, also) in the original Metroid. I wasn't trying to trick anyone, though. It was really, really late and I just couldn't find any more item collection sounds from the other games.
Or: Becky made me do it while I had a bought of Topherculosis.
Email the collective to receive your prize. retroforce@destructoid.com
Aaaaaaand finally, you can turn of the alerts for achievements on your 360, but I think it turns them all off. It's somewhere in the system preferences blade.
That is all.
@ New Challenger: Good to hear it!
Is Oblivion an FPS? No. It's an RPG. An FPRPG if you feel like bending over backwards and being over analytical about it.
Why is Metroid Prime a Metroid game at it's core? Puzzles and Platforming. Halo doesn't have you solve elaborate non-linear puzzles in order to progress. Halo doesn't have platforming.
Next thing you know, you'll be calling Jumpin' Flash an FPS.
1.) Metroid Prime
2.) Metroid
3.) Super Metroid
4.) Metroid 2?
Am I doing it right?