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RetroforceGO!: Episode 11 - Forgotten Franchises, recording tonight photo

We argued about it, we pushed each other around -- heck, Colette even lost some hair from Dyson’s swift, almost ninja-like blows -- but we finally did it: the Retroforce gang compiled a list of the ten best retro franchises that need a major comeback.

And we are talking franchises here, folks, not any of those pansy games that didn’t have the cojones to produce any sequels.

From Battletoads to Maniac Mansion, we will discuss the best franchises left in the dust tonight and which ones really need to reappear on a console or handheld near you. What games made the final cut? Will any of your old favorites be discussed? Are you still knocking stuff off your desks in excitement?

Feel free to leave us any comments before we record or drop a few of your favorite old franchises you would love to see mentioned (you never know, if we see something good the list can still be changed …er … unless you mention Aero the Acrobat … yeah, if you mention that the list will not be changed … sorry).

Check back tomorrow to download the full show and don’t forget: you have to listen to win!








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Riser Glen's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:08
Riser Glen
GIZMO!
Colette Bennett's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:19
Colette Bennett
That Gizmo picture is Gandalf vs. Witch King epic.
Topher Cantler's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:21
Topher Cantler
Gizmo = Ontinental.

LAZING BLAZERS.
Tiff's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:21
Tiff
*french kisses chad*
3r0t1c n3rd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:24
3r0t1c n3rd
Is there ANY chance there will be any more Mother games made?
Hoygeit's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:25
Hoygeit
Of the slight possibility that these will be mentioned- Final Fight, Bubsy, or Ikari Warrior did take up a decent portion of my childhood.

Then again, Aero the Acrobat was pretty sweet. Right? Right?
demon_beast82's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:25
demon_beast82
You should rename your podcast Retroforcegizmo!!!!!!!!!!!
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:27
blehman
@ n3rd: is there ANY chance there will be any more Mother games released over here? That is the question.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:33
Maurice Tan
TIE Fighter definately needs a new game. God, even an X-Wing game would do. So many years of waiting, so many graphical advances! And all we ever got is Darkstar One and Spaceforce.

And they should really make Gizmo a free DLC character for Viva Pinata! When you'd drop him into the water or feed him at night... ohh give it to me now!
3r0t1c n3rd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:37
3r0t1c n3rd
I gues you are right blehman. At least you have a slight chance to get them. Not like over here in Europe. We didn't get any of them...
trydizon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:39
trydizon
if you ever owned a Genesis, i think it would be impossible to not want the Streets of Rage series to be revived. it had a great run with its three games on the Genesis. the series was great because each game only got better, although some may argue that with the third. it had a balanced character selection that didn't scare us from trying new characters, a bad ass soundtrack that made any suburban kid (like myself) feel like the shit, a great multiplayer experience, and endless replay value. not to mention, the graphics weren't that bad.

also, a Bubble Bath Babes revival would be tits (no pun intended.)
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:39
blehman
Ouch, my bad, didn't know you were on that side of the pond. There's always emulators though. Earthbound ftw.
kadosho's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:47
kadosho
Even though some are bringing retro, thought I'd share Beyond Good & Evil. Its ending was just climatic enough, with the credits and Pey'j identity. (almost akin to that chill that Metroid gives you with every finale).

Jet Set Radio is another unsung hero, with great rhythm & beats, it caught onto various fans that enjoyed something different. And if it ever made a comeback, it would be in a big way.

P.N. 03 - Capcom's one trick pony. A bit like Space Channel 5, but less vibrant in color, and higher in difficulty. Just grazing the screen with a lady like Vanessa, and gracefully escaping mecha-esque battles like no other. Putting it lightly, Mega Man in female form. There i said it. If they were to return to this entry, it would be an interesting venture, who knows what they could explore.

Panzer Dragoon - Orta was a neat idea, with tough controls, and critical timing in order to survive. Its design brought back the rpg-action genre alive and well.

Gunvalkyrie - (might say its PD's lil sister.. insanely tough, but went MIA along with JSR)
Hoygeit's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:48
Hoygeit
Oh oh! Blaster Master! Man, did I suck at that game. :D

Tydizon makes me feel ashamed for forgetting the Streets of Rage series.
trydizon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:50
trydizon
no worries Hoygeit.

as far as a PC adventure game revival, i would definitely cast my vote for Full Throttle. Polecats ftw.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:53
blehman
Return to the return of the monkey islands!
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 16:57
nilcam
I'm thinking Final Fight proper, not that generic looking 3D filth Capcom created a few years back. High res sprites, please. Guy, ftw.

1941, 1942, 1943, or a related title.

Captain Commando.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:05
Maurice Tan
@trydizon: have you checked out Beats of Rage? There will also be a XBLA SoR2 as well :)
But fuck yeah, Final Fight/Streets of Rage 2D ftw!
Crackhippo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:16
Crackhippo
Actraiser (the sequal shat the bed)

Suikoden (everything after 2 was garbage)

Sunset Riders (i know it didn't have a sequel..but any game where you sleep with prostitutes to get power-ups should be mentioned)
BenHaskett's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:18
BenHaskett
Here's an obscure non sequitur question that I don't expect anyone to know:

Before the ESRB and BBFC were put in place, was there any difference in packaging from region to region for handheld games?

I ask because I'm trying to collect all the Metroid games, and the only complete copy of Metroid II that I can find is from and online UK store.

If you're able to answer this, thanks in advance!
trydizon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:28
trydizon
@professorpew: yes. it's very stylish. i like.
Streets of Rage: Remake is definitely worth checking out. it takes the best from all three games and mashes it together for our enjoyment.

if you're a SEGA or a NINTENDO or even a MICROSOFT, and you notice that gamers are developing their own fangames, isn't that a sign that perhaps they should consider reviving?

this could work both ways. it could either give us a great game, or a not so great game. (sorry chad)
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:29
Tubatic
X-Com danggonit X-COM!!!!!!

I want team/ resource/ research management over multiple missions spanning the globe and multiple months!!!!!!!!
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:30
Maurice Tan
luzer: google says that the US/german/australian boxarts are the same. The 1st pic below is probably from the french boxart:

CyanideBlues's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:34
CyanideBlues
Judging by what I can see on Wikipedia, I'd have to say an unsure no...
Kif 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:37
Kif
What ever happened to Crash Bandicoot? It wasn't so much forgotten as it was raped harder and harder with each sequel. I miss that furry little guy.

Needs moar goddamn 2D platformers. I'm sick of this 3D stuff, since it's (for the most part) unimaginative and boring. Bring me some original 2D Sonic on the XBLA and 2D Mario on Wiiware. game.

*Just wants an excuse for another Ristar game to be made.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:40
ArrestedDeveloper
Sierra needs to get their act together and revive all their old franchises, namely Kings quest, space quest, Gabriel Knight, a non swat police quest. Same goes for Lucasarts


GRIM FANDANGO 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BenHaskett's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:43
BenHaskett
At some point, please discuss the Mana series and how it's continually gotten worse and worse since Secret of Mana (Which was an awesome game). It's as if Secret of Mana bent over with it's ass pointed toward the future and took a shit all over the rest of the games to come.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:46
Maurice Tan
@trydizon: wtf, I totally missed that remake! Thanks for that :D
Evil Cheese's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:47
Evil Cheese
Those old Micky Mouse games Capcom developed back in the day for the SNES. They were pretty good for licensed games; two player co-op, nicely animated sprites (if memory serves), multiple costumes with different powers.

Seriously though I'd have to say the Donkey Kong Country games developed by Rare. Rare knew how to make some kick ass platformers back in the '90s, I spent many of my formative years in a basement playing those games.

You know, besides the franchises everybody knows like SMB, Metroid and the like.
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:47
Chad Concelmo
@Kif,
The fact that the mentioned Ristar makes me want to hug you and then push you away and awkwardly talk about sports.
I love that game. :)
OrangeGoblin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:47
OrangeGoblin
Two words. Well, four. Grim Fan-Fucking-Dango.

Or a DS Baldur's Gate would be cool, cos then I might actually finish one. None of that Playstation nonsense mind, I'm talking 2D and turnbased.

Come to think of it, an MMO Carmen Sandiago. But then, I have had a fair bit to drink.
kwaselow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:49
kwaselow
Earthbound (remember kids, it's the second in a series)
Chrono Trigger
Kid Icarus
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:52
Chad Concelmo
@ArrestedDeveloper,
The fact that you mentioned all the Sierra "Quest" games makes me just want to hug you (no unnecessary sports talk needed).
I used to want to name my children Sierra, Graham, Rosella, and Roger.
In fact, I think I still will. :)
Kif 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:54
Kif
@Chad: Guys hugs are fine when it comes to underrated retro games :D

*hug*

...

So, how about those Denver Broncos?

...

Yeah, I know jack about american sports, big surprise!
trydizon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 17:59
trydizon
[img]www.nintendowiifanboy.com/media/2007/07/rivercityransom070507.jpg[/img]
is another example of a good revival.
trydizon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 18:00
trydizon
arg.

well, you get the point.
Tron Knotts's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 18:19
Tron Knotts

Kif- [url=www.crashofthetitans.com]New Crash Bandicoot game coming this year[/url]


kwaselo-New Earthbound game currently being tranlated by fans.

Chad- Please share your thoughts on the one LucasArts SCUMM system game that really deserved a sequel never got one. Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders. Pure awesoem.

Other games that deserve a second life, Metal Warriors for the SNES, Vib Ribbon for the PS1, Archon for the C64, and of course Bionic Commando for the NES.

I have never met a person who doesn't hunger for a worthy sequel to Bionic Commando for the NES. Not one person on planet Earth.

Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 18:25
Aaron Mxy Yost
Why didn't Deadly Towers ever get a sequel? I mea- oh right, the game absolutely sucked.
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 18:50
Tristero
The Star Tropics games . . . also, I heard there was a sequel to Duck Tales for the NES, but I've never talked to anyone who has played it. But any excuse to talk about Duck Tales, right?
Dyson's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 19:12
Dyson
I've played Ducktales 2 on the NES.
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 19:15
Chad Concelmo
ZOMG, Startropics, how could I forget that! I think we need to have a discussion, Retroforce peeps. :)
Devilbat's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 19:31
Devilbat
There needs to be a new badass cell shaded Battletoads. It needs to be just as fucktasticly hard as it's predecesors, though.

I remember memorizing the hoverbike level so I could hit the warp every time. So much frustration, yet so rewarding in the end.
Hoygeit's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 19:31
Hoygeit
That's totally unfair.
I thought the games we mentioned had to have sequels. ;)

No game deserves a sequel like Grim Fandango.

If we're going through that route, I'd like to mention almost every game Treasure has ever done.

I'm still holding out for a Alien Solider 2, Guardian Heroes 2, Radiant Silvergun 2, and Ikaruga 2.
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 19:35
Chad Concelmo
Yeah, Hoygeit, you are right. As much as I love me some Grim Fandango, it is ineligible. It will most defintiely be mentioned in a "Games That Deserve Sequels, GODDAMMIT!" podcast in the future, though. :)
kwaselow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 19:38
kwaselow
@Tron - True, Mother 3's only about a year old

Ristar
Double Dragons
Ghosts 'N Goblins (Maximo games don't count)
Colette Bennett's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 19:43
Colette Bennett
Grim Fandango is going to be talked about and I'm not going to be there and it's ALL RON WORKMAN'S FAULT
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 19:53
SourGr8pes
@Luzer
There NEEDS to be an official revival of Seiken Densetsu 3; One of the best of the, now laughable, Secret of Mana series... NEVER released to the states!
While we're on the topic, Sqeenix should hand the franchise over to someone who can actually DO something with it, other than make each pending release suck.

Oh, and moar Kunio-kun games, or I'll punch somebody's grandmother.
trydizon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 20:09
trydizon
was anyone fortunate enough to play Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers on the NES or Aladdin on the Genesis?
Tron Knotts's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 20:14
Tron Knotts
Kwaselo- What of Ultimate Ghosts N' Goblins?

You keep settin' them up, and I keep knocking them down!



Duck Tales 2 is awesome. But Guardian Heroes Advance smells.
kwaselow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/08/2007 20:34
kwaselow
Alex Kidd
Adventure Island
Lost Vikings (I know there was one 4 years ago, but that was just a GBA port of the original so it doesn't count)

Suck on those, Tron
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