As funny as the entire thing is, this part becomes sad when you realize this is the exactly the kind of logic EA has applied to Bioware. "We want Call of Duty's audience" indeed.
Numerous Lost fans would disagree with you. If a series doesn't have a suitable payoff in proportion to the amount of buildup, the entire thing becomes rather pointless.
http://social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989
over 53,000 votes, 98% hate the ending.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewanalytics?formkey=dC1yWGc1UEdxT1g3VWhjMHowQWh1bUE6MQ#gid=0
Much less at over 1,300 votes but 95% hate the ending.
Learn what google is.
PROOF OF THINGS!!!! Fucking genius.
Really? The ending to Lost was amazing? It could be just me, all my friends, co-workers and family members who watched the show religiously, but the ending, nay, the entire final season was a huge let down. Sure, there were a few really good episodes sprinkled in there, but to have it end as it did says to me that they prefer mystery to good story telling. It's one thing to leave one or two story lines unresolved when a series like that wraps; but when the biggest mystery, the one the drove the show, is left untouched at the end its an insult to those of us who invested all those hours into the mystery/world of the show.
I know the writers said that Lost was "character driven", which is true, its just the most interesting character on the show was the island.
That's not to say you'll find it satisfying, as I'm sure many people don't. It's hard to satisfy people after 6 fucking amazing seasons. I dug it though. *shrug*
It's not necessarily bad, but it's not what made me fall in love with ME1. The thing that had me playing through ME1 was the mystery of the reapers, the mass effect relays... Then the first thing they do in ME2 is kill your character and bring him back to life? I knew that shit was turning dumb.
And, "Retake"? Implying that Mass Effect belonged to them at some point, but then BioWare stole it from them? By, what, writing an ending (or three) that they didn't like? God damn, these people are annoying. I understand being disappointed with the choices-not-mattering thing (although I totally saw it coming), but the consumer demanding a rewrite after the game is done is worse than the focus groups that fuck up all kinds of TV and film ideas.
Well, at least they're raising money for charity.
This article may not have been as flat-out inflammatory, insulting and moronic as Jim Sterling's venture into the matter, but it's disappointing in stance nonetheless. Anywho, here's the video. Linked it at the time it starts getting relevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=SL&feature=player_detailpage&v=0sYp-eggD1Q#t=645s
I know not everyone will agree with what he's saying, but at least understand you're dealing with a more complicated argument than the strawmen I've seen propped up time and time again when an entry in a series is majorly unappealing to a great degree of the fans who launched it to success in the first place.
Get your $10 ready folks! ;)
Is that really a ending to a trilogy?
The gaming press has seemed to have taken to insulting fans for being disappointed with a legitimately lazy ending (except for gamefront).
Knowing Holmes i'm sure this is all in good fun, but the comments here and other "pieces of journalism" on this site make me wonder if the people writing them can really be happy with a ending that offers no closure, just 3 iterations of the same thing.
I have no desire for a new Mass Effect 3 ending, i couldn't care less now, i'm over it. But i did feel let down, and i don't see how wanting some closure (not the omgzzz happy ending1!!1! people seem to think fans want) is a terrible thing to be mocked.
I'm just saying, instead of sticking to the old standard where an artist creates and the audience takes it or leaves it, that creative productions can be a two-way street where the group-think of the Internet can potentially re-mold a production into something better. Where would PC Skyrim be without it's mods? Just saying: maybe we should look to this recent development in communication with an open mind.
Sounds like a fancy way of saying, let's use the excuse of artistic innovation to drive our own agenda. Honestly, what if a bunch of people hated the new ending be stricken from the record, in support of the first one? Then this whole nonsense will start over again. It's going to be an endless circle of complaining regardless of the outcome, but if things just stay the way they are, at least it'll marginalize the damage this is doing to the legacy of the game.
Sounds like a fancy way of saying, let's use the excuse of artistic innovation to drive our own agenda. Honestly, what if a bunch of people hated the new ending and demand it be stricken from the record, in support of the first one? Then this whole nonsense will start over again. It's going to be an endless circle of complaining regardless of the outcome, but if things just stay the way they are, at least it'll marginalize the damage this is doing to the legacy of the game.
One of the enlightening things about all this controversy: Mainstream media like Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/16/why-the-mass-effect-3-protests-are-good-for-video-games/) are siding with the fans while games industry media continues to carry water for the major studios like they always have.
Wow you have never taken a statistics course, have you?
Because ultimately it's all about being artsy and cool right? Not about actually making a good game anymore.
I'm a Lost fan. I thought the ending was god awful, but the show was great up to the last season. I still don't think the show was ruined by the ending and I think my point still stands. If you watch a show or play a game just to see the ending without actually enjoying the show/game, you need to find something you enjoy rather than try to convince others to be as miserable as yourself (not you in particular, just whoever does that).
I went back to my ME2 insanity run after finishing ME3, and it was still just as fun as I remember it before I beat ME3. Well, it's fucking controller-throwingly hard on insanity, but fun nonetheless.
a lot of this criticism is based on a lot of assumption (as is a lot of the defence). i gotta say again. this is all opinion. the loudest being those of the opinion that the ending was bad, but that doesn't make them the right...est...
i think bioware is approching this fairly well (taking note of the criticism and waiting to hear back from more of their fans). it's only been a couple weeks. i'm interested to see if people who didn't finish the game in the first week or so have any different opinions on the matter.
just because artists in the past have changed their work due to fan outcry i dont think it means anyone else should HAVE to based only on the fact that others have done so before. sometimes the change isn't always for the better...
holmes' article was just poking fun at how kind of crazy the whole situatin has become. and really, it is pretty crazy.... i love the games. they are some of my favorite games of all time, but in the end they are just games, and i'll always have the memories of the good times i had with them. the ending doesn't just erase that for me.
If I had to choose one thing to hate, it would be sifting through all the "Way to go Holmes," "Jim Sterling is God," and the all-time worst "Right you are, Mr. Sterling (or Mr. Holmes). So many full-time ass kissers want their blogs front page or something. I wanna read sincere shit, like Matthius' post.
That being said, remaking the Mass Effect trilogy in Mother 3 style? now that's a winning formula!!
People are upset for a variety of reasons; some valid, some not. Most people in opposition to the ending are okay with it being said. However, they are not okay with the ending not making any sense whatsoever with what we know about the ingame universe and Shepard's character. They're also sorely pissed off that Bioware and EA repeatedly lied to them during the marketing run-up ("Wildly diverging endings!" "It won't be just A,B,C", etc)
Overall, I think the upset fanbase is very much in the right in regards to this as customers should ALWAYS criticize a product that they find unsatisfactory, and they're well within their rights to ASK Bioware to provide an alternate/extended ending. The problem here is that the mainstream media and indeed even the movement itself presents the upset gamers as DEMANDING Bioware redo the ending to the game, when really that's not what is going on.
3.5 million copies of the game shipped at launch. Nearly a million were sold in the first week. Only 50,000 were polled, on the internet, in isolation on the forums famous for "fans" with axes to grind. That is not an accurate depiction of the true reception to the game. That is the definition of a vocal minority attempting to superimpose their values on the population at large, and it is an awful precedent to set. Could the ending be improved? Maybe, but not under these terms, because they are in flat disagreement to the majority of purchasers, and this sends the message to Bioware to not try anything interesting or you'll have to answer to a mob mentality that only has their best interests at heart.
I think you're looking waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too into this. The people protesting are simply people upset with how the ending turned out and they would like Bioware to provide an -alternate- set of endings that embody what Bioware promised us before the game came out. These new endings would be released as DLC and if you're fine with the ending the way it is, then don't download the DLC.
As for "flat disagreement to the majority of purchasers." We can't assume that all the people who bought the game and didn't respond to the poll are perfectly content. Just as we can't assume they AREN'T content. The 50,000 polled on BSN are simply a sample, and it's one of the largest I've seen in gaming. Polls on other websites show similar trends.
I know your "old" or whatever, but you do know that mass effect is like.... a game where you kill stuff right? like mario or everyother game ever? It has gameplay in it with interactive cutscenes.... You come off as thinking that the game is just cutscene after cutscene and thats it.
Also reapers arent inorganics machines, slaves to their own programming. Their a cross between organic and sythetic, fully self aware unshackled AI, if you'll allow me some nerdom.....
on the bioware side of things it seems like they were running out of time and decided half ass it to meet the deadline and got caught. what i mean by half assing it is not the ending it's self per-say, although that is part of it, it's more the other little stuff like the menu and quest tracking system which is somehow worse then ME1's menu system, having half the DLC on the dick, and the one that pissed me off more so then the ending is USING A DAMN STOCK PHOTO FOR TALI'S FACE. i mean what the hell that's a load of horse shit, is it really that hard to walkout in front of the bioware building and be like "excuse me miss, can we use you of a game we're making. we're willing to pay you (X amount of money) for your troubles" I'm usually not a nitpicker but they're just so blatant and glaring but i digress
now on the fanboy/fangirl side i think it has gotten way out of hand and blown way out of proportion. people have to slap themselves out of this blood-rage that apparently has cut off the oxygen to the logic centers of thair brains. the fans need to realize that THE CHARACTERS ARE NOT REAL, and except the sad truth that it's bioware's game and they can do whatever they please with it. if the Retake Mass Effect group does turn the Mass Effect in to a 2D platformer i'm sorry but i'm going to have to write off everyone that participated and/or bought this product as a monumental moron. first off that is the worst idea i've ever heard, turning Mass Effect into some paper Mario wannabe is doomed to fail because even if you change all the names of every single thing in the Mass Effect Universe as soon as bioware and by extension their lawyers hear about this...uh...thing they'll be all over it and you'll get sued for every thing you own. although i did like when the press confronted bioware about the controversial ending(s) they basically said in their corporate lawyer speak "fuck off, this is our game and we've finished it the way we want to" that made me kind of laugh
so yeah basically i think both side need to take a MAJOR chill pill and put this hole thing behind them
Were you trying to use those examples to defend your point? It seems you were choosing examples of why this sort of entitlement is no good. "Hey guys, there has been entitled fans ruining artistic integrity for all of recorded history. So, it's totally cool." You sir, are quite the buffoon.

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