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Retailers have 'lost faith entirely' with PC games photo

The bad news for PC gamers just keeps on rolling in, with yet another death knell ringing loud and clear. This time, the knife wound comes courtesy of magazine publisher Imagine Publishing, who has seen a sharp decline in PC mag sales and believes that retailers have given up on the market completely.

"I'm looking at Total PC Gaming at the moment, because although it's a profitable magazine for Imagine, it's future potential is limited because retailers and magazine stockists have lost faith with the PC games sector entirely," says managing director Damian Butt. 

"We have had fantastic support from our advertisers on Total PC Gaming, and outperformed our expectations, but I would much rather have a talented team working on a magazine where there is a greater future upside, such as our new launch How it Works, because it takes as much effort to make a magazine that generates a good profit as one that makes very little."

Future Publishing's PC magazine sales have also decreased as well, and in a country where magazine sales are still doing pretty well (UK magazines have stayed strong while US mags floundered) this is rather dire news indeed. Of course, the popularity of the Internet may have something to do with it, but the idea that retailers just don't care about PC gaming anymore and magazine publishers believe that appealing to the market has no future is not a pleasant thought indeed. It's yet another reminder that PC gamers may be a dying breed. 

Retailers have "lost faith" in PC games sector [GI.biz]








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OmegaPlatinum's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:03
OmegaPlatinum
Hard to compete with a system like Steam.
ChromeAlchemist's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:05
ChromeAlchemist
If you're a PC gamer, there's an 83% chance that you use Steam. And if you use Steam, you probably frequent gaming sites for your news and articles. So 83% of us PC gamers couldn't give a shit.

And as great as some of those mags were, that era is dead. Why pay £4-5 for a magazine when it takes three seconds to get on a website for free?
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:08
Sexualchocolate
PC gamers are the first gamers to transcend into Digital only media, hence the downfall of words printed on paper for PC gamers. I mean why would you read your words from paper when you get your games from the virtual ether?
Janxer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:09
Janxer
Oh. News. Right.
Someone regurgitating the common knowledge that most retailers don't favor PC anymore? CLEARLY NEWS.
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:10
JamnOnTheOne
One look at the PC gaming section in the major B&M stores is a good indication that the "general public" doesn't care either.

Yes, I understand that the "real PC gamers" have moved to digital downloads where they can continue to erode digital rights, but they aren't the "general public".
coldalarm's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:11
coldalarm
£4-5, Chrome? PC Gamer, last I checked, was £6 an issue. PC Zone was, too.
I stopped buying gaming magazines because, well, I rarely learnt anything new from them. Sure, the fun articles were good but I couldn't justify £6 a month on them!
PC gaming is *not* dying. It is changing form and I think it's going to become (in the next 20 years maybe) an almost-completely digital platform. It's where a lot of PC gamers get their news, it's where a lot of us buy our games (either ordering a physical copy or purchasing a digital version), we often have to connect to the internet to play our games or at least activate them and so forth.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:11
Xzyliac
PC gamers still get their games and news in physical space?




Why?
Clarke's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:11
Clarke
Well screw them too.
UltorOscariot's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:13
UltorOscariot
Steam says Hi.

PC Gaming isn't dead. The role of a retailer though as a intermediary between developer and consumer is.
SilversunFrenzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:13
SilversunFrenzy
I'm a little confused. So because their magazine is floundering, that means PC gamers are a dying breed? I don't get how they got from point A to point B here.

I wouldn't say this is a trend unique to PC gaming, or gaming at all. A lot of printed news is dying nowadays. Magazines, newspapers, auto traders, are all doubtless taking huge hits due to the proliferation of the internet and all the information it has to offer. In the time it takes me to pay for and receive my copy of "Generic PC Games Magazine", I could have checked Destructoid, Kotaku, Joystiq, Gamefaqs, and several important developers' Twitter accounts hundreds of times over to get overwhelmingly more information than a single magazine could ever hope to provide.

So again, failing magazine =/= fewer PC gamers. Someone needs to adjust their strategy here to fit in with the times, something PC gamers have always been willing to do.
Dinin Vorta's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:13
Dinin Vorta
With the advent of Steam, I find myself spending more money on PC games than I did before. I imagine this is the case with many PC gamers too, so though I do sometimes frown when the PC section is absent from my local GAME, ultimately I think PC games will always been a huge gaming medium.
FatherChesz's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:14
FatherChesz
As quickly as the PC market moves with new products and technologies, by the time you get a magazine its news has been on the internet for weeks. It's no surprise, sadly.
Dinin Vorta's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:14
Dinin Vorta
**been? BE rather.
wardprod's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:16
wardprod
@coldalarm

QFT
Clarke's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:17
Clarke
@JamnOnTheOne

The "general public" gets their games from www.popcap.com or www.facebook.com and to a slight degree iTunes.

And for boxed games the "general public" usually goes to WalMart or Target rather than GameStop. Those two retailers regularly carry games such as the Sims or World of Warcraft.
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:18
atastysammich
Sorry, I was too busy giggling at the name Damian Butt.
Japester's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:20
Japester
PC mags aren't what they used to be, and have a hefty price tag for poor and quickly outdated content. I used to consider myself a PC gamer but in the last few years 90% of my gaming time has been on consoles. This is mainly due to that the majority of games these days are multiplatform and development was built around console controls, which don't quite feel right to me on a PC. Plus I prefer relaxing on the sofa when gaming, rather than sitting at a desk.
jaygerbomb's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:21
jaygerbomb
First of all, the PC "section" at pretty much all the Gamestops in my area suck. They're usually just one wire rack tucked away in a back corner of the store, and there's nothing there but copies of WoW and The Sims 2/3 and all the various expansions. Wal-Mart & Target have better PC game selection. Hell, even Costco does.

I've bought more PC games in the past year than I have in the past 10 years because of Steam. I think I've only paid full price for one game, Fallout 3 at launch. But with Steam's insane weekend deals and other various sales they run throughout the year.

So yeah, I'll take cheaper games (if you look for the deals), not having to keep up with discs, manuals and cases, and being able to install my games on any computer I want, whenever I want. Add the fact that I can get my hands on some hard to find classics, and you've got the perfect storm for the death of brick and mortar, at least when it comes to PC gaming.
xaliqen's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:22
xaliqen
Well, paper magazines are an outdated mode of communication. In addition, brick-and-mortar retailers are an outdated mode for the transfer of capital.

Conclusion: PC gaming may not be dead after all, but magazines and traditional game stores will cease to exist within fifteen years (conservative estimate).
Simon Dufour's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:24
Simon Dufour
For the price of one of these mag, I can get 1-5 games on Steam. The choice is really really easy. For the $10CAD is cost here, I bought:

Stalker, Mount & Blade, Freedom Force 1,2 and all the x-coms
ZethUK's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:27
ZethUK
According to the media hasn't PC gaming been "on it's last legs" and "dying" for 15 years or so now? Do people actually pay attention and believe this reoccurring story?
ParticleSt0rm's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:27
ParticleSt0rm
A dying breed? Hehe Jim are you Peter Molyneux's bro?

I don't buy pc magazines anymore because they're 1/5 articles and 4/5 store catalogues stapled together.

Nobody needs to pay £5 these days to find out something a month later.
smoger's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:27
smoger
I work for a medical publication and we're going through tough times, therefore people must not be going to the hospital anymore!
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:29
SedeoInedus
Some serious resentment and issues here
wardprod's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:33
wardprod
BTW i have to admit, that i hate steam because i don't get any box, or wallpapers, or anything for my money, and there is no better feeling than watching over your legal games on your desk, or waiting for the courier to arrive with the pack :) So i'm probably one of the rare kind of people who prefer retail over digital copy release ignoring the fact that we all get the same product for our money.
capitan's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:34
capitan
the U.S. game magazines don't do a good job and are heavily biased to those that pay them more money to review certain games. developers are also paying off game reviewers for a good review sometimes. the reviewers have also acknowledged that they sometimes don't even play the game. the way it is now, you might as well find some blogger who reviewed the game and be done with it.
Br0th3rGr1mm's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:39
Br0th3rGr1mm
Every PC gameer needs to understand (I count myself as one too) that the end of PC gaming in the retail market greatly stagnates the potential growth of PC gaming as a whole. Without that growth potential, PC versions of games just won't get made as often.

While I'm not sure you should care about the magazine side of it, not being able to even buy a PC game at Wal-Mart or even Gamestop stores is certainly a turning point for PC gaming. I just can't see it being a good turn either. Potential loss of sales, new customers and retail exposure in general is going to stagnate the growth of PC gaming (it already has, in fact). Publishers and even Developers see this and support for the platform can do nothing but decrease.
Lugtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:39
Lugtor
PC Gaming is not dying. Why then would consoles, handhelds and even mobilephones become more and more like a PC ?

Also true what ppl above said about print media. It has its advantages, thats why i still buy my favorite magazine monthly. But that maybe because im last gen. I could read game news on the toilet with my Droid. Which uses a Linux OS. Which is a PC OS.
The Passenger's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:39
The Passenger
It's sad that the biggest thing that's causing PC gaming to "die" is so many people thinking it's on its way out.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:41
Chronic Logic
Don't people buy virtual magazine subscriptions anymore?
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:43
Monodi
Well it will be harder now that EA is also deciding to stop retailing partnerships. I bought Counter-Strike: Source on retail for the sake of it, I love to have the game with me even if I cannot enter the code twice.
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:45
JamnOnTheOne
@Clarke

"And for boxed games the "general public" usually goes to WalMart or Target rather than GameStop. Those two retailers regularly carry games such as the Sims or World of Warcraft."

...And in it's B&M heyday there were rows of PC games at these same stores. My local Walmarts carry roughly 10 boxed titles and then an array of jewel case "value games". The Targets carry similar titles though with a larger children's edu-tainment section.

Sims and WoW do not a PC game section make.

"The "general public" gets their games from www.popcap.com or www.facebook.com and to a slight degree iTunes. "

I agree with the facebook comment, but you don't "own" games through facebook. iTunes is not PC gaming.
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:46
Stevil
Honestly, have you seen how much Future Publishing charge for their PC magazines nowadays? I swear they're more expensive than the budget games they review. I was flicking through PC Gaming the other day and I just thought, they're basically telling me things I already know from websites (complete with updates).

I don't mind Edge and GamesTM so much because they offer long articles and discussions that don't really have a place (yet) on the web, due to the blogging nature of game sites...but again, everything else they offer is just a step behind and doesn't justify the price. It's a far cry from when I religiously relied on magazines like Amstrad Action for my gaming needs (which cost next to nothing every month).
Elzam's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:48
Elzam
Why would I, or any PC gamer, use anything but their PC for their news? These magazines were great in the days before the internet caused mass dissemination of information, but now they have limited physical space, much of which is filled with advertisements for manufacturers. I'm surprised other rag makers aren't saying the same thing: video game mags were entertaining in the early to mid 90's, but at this point most of them are tools, sucking on the teet of the industry for their free review copies.

Retailers as a breed should be dying. Heaven forbid PC gamers use online services that aggregate reviews, give cheaper prices, offer games on release day. If you're a packrat and you like to hold onto boxes -that's fine, although packaging for all games is rather pathetic and trash-worthy unless it's something notable like a special edition with bells and whistles.

Looks like retailers are getting in their last fighting words before On-Live inevitably fails only to open up the gates for a better direct download service.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 08:51
CALkulon
@Chrome:

I'm buying GamesTM every month because it's a fucking good magazine, and it's only something like £3 a month on sub. Their opinions align far better with mine than any website out there, and the content is top drawer.

It's all about creating content that other outlets can't or won't replicate.
idmmao's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:08
idmmao
The reasons why PC gaming magazines are dying (the internet) and why retailers like gamestop like them less (Steam, and PC gamers are less interested in the used game business, where stores like gamestop make a lot of their money) are so obvious, and the "PC gaming is dying" thing is so utterly played out I'm having trouble not thinking the original post is basically trolling.
Hey, I hear a bunch of newspapers are failing, that must be because their subscribers are all dying out, right? Not because of the internet.
icu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:10
icu
Every PC Gamer has, by default, a limitless high-definition PC magazine right in front of their noses with full motion video and interactivity. Also, there's Steam like others said. This has all been said - now I've said it as well. All that matters is the dev's perception (and that is not great of course)
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:13
RenegadePanda
Our magazine isn't selling.

Retailers must hate PC games.

LOGIC!

Wait...what?
matrixdude171's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:18
matrixdude171
Well, most companies have written off the pc community because their games will get pirated to hell and back. It's kinda hard not to avoid making pc games when the only way to really publish is through steam and even then the games are hacked. Magazines are the byproduct of a past era, they are being replaced by places like destructoid and kotaku.
dreamhunk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:19
dreamhunk
More like the gaming Industry will try everthing to destory pc gaming. People ask why people hate big companies. people wonder why pc gamers hate console gaming.

I blame the mainstream media they like to lie every year about pc gaming dying.

then you have mircosft, sony and game devs trying their best to destory pc gaming with their garbage.


yea 11 000 game devs have went bankuprtand counting because of them consoles.


oh one more thing if pc gaming ever dies gaming as whole will die!
Kohlstream's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:20
Kohlstream
I don't know about the rest of you but when i do buy a retail pc game i just get it online cos its cheaper.
Kohlstream's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:20
Kohlstream
Online as in online retailer...
dreamhunk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:26
dreamhunk
well pc gamers are going to pull the entire retail into the ground because we all will just go DD

oh yea we have free games too
brutedude's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:28
brutedude
Honestly I can't remember the last time I bought a PC game in a physical format. Why the hell would you drive to your local GameStop to peruse their store mess for some worthwhile PC games and have to deal with their usual BS if you could get the game without leaving your seat, access it from your desktop, and get way better deals? I bought the Orange Box and Half Life 1 for around 12 bucks that way.
The Amazing Shenazin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:34
The Amazing Shenazin
as a recent convert to PCfagism myself I have to say that Steam is fucking awesome, I doubt PC gaming is dying
Tarvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:35
Tarvu
I don't remember...
GodofWar86's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:36
GodofWar86
Print Media in general is being replaced by the internet its idiotic to claim this has anything to do with a decline of PC gaming. The PC gave us the internet why would we waste tim with magazines?
wardprod's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:38
wardprod
"i just get it online cos its cheaper."

WoW, first time i need to be proud of my country because almost all games sell exactly the same price as steam sells them. So yeah, i have to stay with my previous statements :)
Budboy311's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:45
Budboy311
I don't think it's a deathknell for PC gaming, just PC gaming in a retail environment. PC gamers buy online by nature, they don't go to the store. So, it sucks for the publisher because they won't get the cross-shopping of someone picking up a game, seeing the magazine and buying that as well. They'll take a hit because only people who want the magazine will take the effort to buy it individually.
Rosseh's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2010 09:46
Rosseh
Nothing that people haven't already said but I love the image in my head of steam. With the metacritic feature it's like looking at the back of the box and having every publication's review printed right there. What more do you need to know?

Maybe a link to top 10 technical issue forums so you don't end up buying Saints Row 2 for PC :(
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