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Who wouldn't be moving and shooting with drones of zombies and creatures coming at them lol
Is this the same RE for the 3ds we saw at E3 though? I though it had a different name.
Who wouldn't be moving and shooting with drones of zombies and creatures coming at them lol
Is this the same RE for the 3ds we saw at E3 though? I though it had a different name.
I agree, I have no idea why people bitched about this in the first place. See, now people are just gonna run and gun, taking the last bit of stress and on your seat edge left in the series.
Gunning and running. Not for me. Keep to ideals or you end up with resi 5 great graphics tragic game play. The line was drawn with zombies that could shoot. Oh and they weren't zombies. It makes me sad
I see your point here, since if you can just run and shoot ... you might as well just play some gears of war. Having a licker inches away from you and deciding whether to fight or flee is a great decision making moment that adds suspense and tension to the standard " I can just back away and take pop shots" routine.
Resi would have been a system-seller for me, but the inclusion of moving and shooting will certainly ruin it. I don't even care if they balance it somehow - it's just not Resident Evil. The last couple of games have been stretching it anyway by doing away with the fixed camera and by putting much, much more emphasis on action rather than puzzles and survival; run-and-gunning is the final straw to me.
And that's coming from somebody who even likes all of the Resident Evil films and has spent far too much money on every Resi figure, statue, prop, lighter and other pointless bollocks. I'm Resident Evil-daft, but fuck this game if this is how it's going to go.
And that's coming from somebody who even likes all of the Resident Evil films and has spent far too much money on every Resi figure, statue, prop, lighter and other pointless bollocks. I'm Resident Evil-daft, but fuck this game if this is how it's going to go.
Definitely not being too harsh. I feel the same about the series. Nowadays Resident Evil is just like all the other dime a dozen shooters. The old tank controls kept the suspense. I really want a new tank controls Resident Evil.
What the...?
Yeah I think you are being too harsh. Really, I thought that was dumb how you could never move while shooting in RE5. Think about it....you're being chased by zombies/africans/whatever they were and you want to STOP to shoot a guy while you were basically asking for an axe to be jammed into your back?
I remember everybody (me included) complaining about not being able to move. It just didn't make any sense. Glad this is happening.
Yeah I think you are being too harsh. Really, I thought that was dumb how you could never move while shooting in RE5. Think about it....you're being chased by zombies/africans/whatever they were and you want to STOP to shoot a guy while you were basically asking for an axe to be jammed into your back?
I remember everybody (me included) complaining about not being able to move. It just didn't make any sense. Glad this is happening.
@ KenAkuma- There are two RE games coming to the 3DS -- Mercenaries and Revelations.
After what I've read about them, I'm worried that they will both be disappointing.
After what I've read about them, I'm worried that they will both be disappointing.
I disagree. Controls evolving keeps the gameplay fresh and interesting. It's the story that makes an RE game an RE game. Honestly, after playing Dead Space, I couldn't deal with the RE5 demo, and I have love love loved the RE series - having bought at least three systems (PS1, DC, GC) just to play Resident Evil games. RE5 - with its old controls and forced co-op - was a severe disappointment. I say evolve!!
Resident Evil's been an action game since RE4 and that game went over well.
I wouldn't mind seeing an XBLA RE game stylized like the classics, Code Veronica for Dreamcast was the last real RE game I played.
I had one for gamecube, something on a train or some shit, I don't remember what it was called. It was just ok though.
I wouldn't mind seeing an XBLA RE game stylized like the classics, Code Veronica for Dreamcast was the last real RE game I played.
I had one for gamecube, something on a train or some shit, I don't remember what it was called. It was just ok though.
Dead Space was far from a run and gun and you could move and shoot. If the movement plays out anything like Dead Spaces's then yes you're being way too harsh, if otherwise then yeah that shit need to go.
As much as I do believe series need to push away from remakes, a code veronica remake does sound pretty awesome. Hell, that's one of the main reasons why I have my dreamcast and a vmu. Nothing like watching your pulse flat line as you get wrecked onscreen.
Does moving and shooting mean running and shooting, or slowly shuffling and shooting?
Perhaps it's too early to put this in a premature grave with just a little info like this?
Perhaps it's too early to put this in a premature grave with just a little info like this?
Not surprised... honestly if you whine loud enough they'll cave to the pressure. This removes any of the tension you get from playing the RE games in their current incarnation. One more generic Third Person shooter. My only hope is that the game give you an incentive to stand still.. you know, like the ability to aim accurately.
If the next main title in the series has run and gun in it... the series will be lost to me.
If the next main title in the series has run and gun in it... the series will be lost to me.
Resi 5 felt like a very tired game, it's good to shake things up a bit. If this was a main series game I'd understand the worry, but this is just a handheld spinoff.
Part of me hopes that they can revitalise the games without going down the Gears route though.
Part of me hopes that they can revitalise the games without going down the Gears route though.
Moving and not being able to shoot is stupid. It doesn't make sense (yes, I know it is a game, there are zombies in it, it doesn't have to make sense, but this is a different category of making sense)
However, the accuracy should be reduced a lot, so no deliberate headshots from a mile away when moving. It should be reserved for very close combat, by massivley reduced accuracy, so even at close distances, players would be forced to stop moving to get a decent shot (even at 4-5 meters), but when the zombies start kissing your cheeks, you should be able to move your way out by shooting and moving.
However, the accuracy should be reduced a lot, so no deliberate headshots from a mile away when moving. It should be reserved for very close combat, by massivley reduced accuracy, so even at close distances, players would be forced to stop moving to get a decent shot (even at 4-5 meters), but when the zombies start kissing your cheeks, you should be able to move your way out by shooting and moving.
It's the natural 'progression'. The series got further and further away from "Survival Horror" and closer and closer to "Generic Third-Person Shooter with a Zombie Theme" with every game.
Was only a matter of time. I fully expect, at least by RE8, the series to be First-Person, have a strong emphasis on multiplayer, and feature regenerating health.
Was only a matter of time. I fully expect, at least by RE8, the series to be First-Person, have a strong emphasis on multiplayer, and feature regenerating health.
I really have to say, I don't understand the whole 3rd person horror game thing. Any that I've played have been eerie, and maybe even creepy, but scary? Not too much to me. Something about seeing the character that I'm controlling just makes me feel like I'm playing Mario or Zelda, unless it's actually appropriately atmosphere'd, like Silent Hill, which is also a lot more well done in my opinion (non-Team Silent games aside).
As for this, I'd say wait and see how it comes out. Plenty of 'horror' games have the 'run and gun' abilities to them, and a fair amount of people seem to still feel they have scary aspects to them. Of course, I'll just be a dick here and say that if not being able to move and shoot was really all that ResEvil had going for it in the scary department, it's worse than I thought.
As for this, I'd say wait and see how it comes out. Plenty of 'horror' games have the 'run and gun' abilities to them, and a fair amount of people seem to still feel they have scary aspects to them. Of course, I'll just be a dick here and say that if not being able to move and shoot was really all that ResEvil had going for it in the scary department, it's worse than I thought.
I agree with you Holmes.
Totally the worst news I've heard this whole year. So much for being a Resident Evil game. You arent supposed to shoot at zombies in a Resident Evil game. The goal had always been survival and avoiding confrontation whenever possible. Thats what used to set RE apart from everything else.
As far as "the story makes it an RE game", that idea died with RE4. As much as RE4 was an amazing game, it had nothing to do with the fact that it felt like an RE game in story. There was no Wesker, STARS, T-virus, Spencer Estate, etc. At least RE5 had aspects of the RE canon in it even if people complained about the game otherwise (I actually really liked RE5)
And I'll never understand the "why can't I shoot while I move" mentality....if anyone is seriously trying to shoot a target, why would they be moving? Its actually more unrealistic to me to think that someone would be moving while shooting at zombies...I think they would either be A) concentrating their hardest to shoot the target in the head or where it actually would do the most damage, or B) running the hell away.
Totally the worst news I've heard this whole year. So much for being a Resident Evil game. You arent supposed to shoot at zombies in a Resident Evil game. The goal had always been survival and avoiding confrontation whenever possible. Thats what used to set RE apart from everything else.
As far as "the story makes it an RE game", that idea died with RE4. As much as RE4 was an amazing game, it had nothing to do with the fact that it felt like an RE game in story. There was no Wesker, STARS, T-virus, Spencer Estate, etc. At least RE5 had aspects of the RE canon in it even if people complained about the game otherwise (I actually really liked RE5)
And I'll never understand the "why can't I shoot while I move" mentality....if anyone is seriously trying to shoot a target, why would they be moving? Its actually more unrealistic to me to think that someone would be moving while shooting at zombies...I think they would either be A) concentrating their hardest to shoot the target in the head or where it actually would do the most damage, or B) running the hell away.
It's not that big of a deal. I'm just excited that The Mercenaries is getting a full game release! That mode is so great!
I agree. I ended up sourly disappointed with RE5, but that was only due to level and encounter design and stupid characters and story. Stopping to shoot was part of the fun.
But, that said, I could handle movement while shooting - only if it's really, REALLY slow!
But, that said, I could handle movement while shooting - only if it's really, REALLY slow!
The problem for me with "run and gun" is that for most games there is no accuracy penalty for that choice and it would be more realistic if all games had that penalty.
Games like RE and MGS, you're supposed to pick your fights selectively, for the sake of survival or remaining undetected. Letting you run'n'gun through games like that without consequence removes a lot of the edge to such games.
Then again, we have people spoiled on "perks" and being able to pick on less experienced players thanks to the likes of Call of Duty, so it only makes sense many of these same people would want these single player games reduced to easy mode.
You kids these days, GET OFF MY LAWM!
Games like RE and MGS, you're supposed to pick your fights selectively, for the sake of survival or remaining undetected. Letting you run'n'gun through games like that without consequence removes a lot of the edge to such games.
Then again, we have people spoiled on "perks" and being able to pick on less experienced players thanks to the likes of Call of Duty, so it only makes sense many of these same people would want these single player games reduced to easy mode.
You kids these days, GET OFF MY LAWM!
Bang on.
For a horror 3rd person shooter, it needs to keep that sense of having to fear the enemies, to run from them.
If you can just go ahead and shoot while you're moving, you can hardly be cornered because you're shooting zombies. I prefer it to remain impossible to shoot while moving.
Without that, it's just another 3rd person shooter.
For a horror 3rd person shooter, it needs to keep that sense of having to fear the enemies, to run from them.
If you can just go ahead and shoot while you're moving, you can hardly be cornered because you're shooting zombies. I prefer it to remain impossible to shoot while moving.
Without that, it's just another 3rd person shooter.
Well you anger some gamers, and you draw in a lot more of the FPS crowd.. sounds like a good monetary decision by them, just not a good fan decision..
Running like a moron is really bad for your aim.
Seriously.
If you guys wanna be 'realistic', them bring a better excuse than that.
And yeah, it helped a lot to set the mood for the game.
Seriously.
If you guys wanna be 'realistic', them bring a better excuse than that.
And yeah, it helped a lot to set the mood for the game.
I don't like this either, it means that I won't be able to play with the controls I normally use. I don't aim with the Right Stick in RE5 for example, I aim with the left one as in RE4 and I like it like that.
I agree with what whoever-it-was said up there. If it's implemented properly, this might not be bad. For instance, you run if your gun's down, and kinda walk or slowly scoot when it's drawn, it makes the game more free, while still keeping the tension and decision making you like.
But that'd be tough, and in this market, I don't find it likely. Even so, I'm not gonna write it off yet.
Hell, even if it does become a mostly generic action shooter, it's still gonna be a good 3DS game. I hope.
Goddammit, it's kinda hard to stay positive about this.
But that'd be tough, and in this market, I don't find it likely. Even so, I'm not gonna write it off yet.
Hell, even if it does become a mostly generic action shooter, it's still gonna be a good 3DS game. I hope.
Goddammit, it's kinda hard to stay positive about this.
Sorry but I think its an outdated game mechanic. For me half the battle of Resident Evil was the clunky controls and stop and shoot. Standards have changed now and when Resident Evil 5 was released there was huge complaint about stop and shoot, it's because it's unacceptable in modern games to have a game that brings a halt to the fluidity of the gameplay, forcing the player to stop and shoot with extremely slow shambling zombies to take this into account is something we don't need anymore.
Bring on the run and gun Resident Evil, if we still have dogs burstin' in and scaring the crap out of us I'll be happy.
Bring on the run and gun Resident Evil, if we still have dogs burstin' in and scaring the crap out of us I'll be happy.
If you wanted run and gun, you were playing the game wrong.
It was all about managing the space between you and your enemies, reading the environment so you don't get boxed in and making your shots count. It was fine.
It was all about managing the space between you and your enemies, reading the environment so you don't get boxed in and making your shots count. It was fine.
Not broke, don't fix sofik88.
It was fresh and unique back on PS1 but people like you bitched into the shit it is now.
It was fresh and unique back on PS1 but people like you bitched into the shit it is now.
@sofik88 Resident Evil alreayd was unique and the only people who ever complained about it needing a gameplay overhaul were the plebs who never really played it in the first place and just want another Gears.
In Resident Evil you should barely be shooting at all, let alone moving and shooting. You run the hell away from nearly everything, saving your few rounds for the inevitable Tyrant or room of Hunters. That's what made it one of the best series of the 5th console generation. It's not about killing stuff, it's about surviving. The last few Resi games already did away with any notion of survival being an important aspect of gameplay, if you make the player any more effective in combat - at all - then that's just pissing away the last little shred of resemblance to the Resident Evil series.
I really don't get why anyone would support this, no matter how it is implemented. Look at the last couple of Silent Hill games and how much everyone shits on them precisely because they made combat a core focus, took out most of the puzzles and did away with survival. But when Resi gets the same "updates" we're supposed to go "oh great, finally"? Fuck that. Resident Evil didn't become the massive series it has because it was a great action series. It got to where it is because it was the best example of slow, tense, easily punishing gameplay which required the player to do more than just shoot everything in sight to do well.
In Resident Evil you should barely be shooting at all, let alone moving and shooting. You run the hell away from nearly everything, saving your few rounds for the inevitable Tyrant or room of Hunters. That's what made it one of the best series of the 5th console generation. It's not about killing stuff, it's about surviving. The last few Resi games already did away with any notion of survival being an important aspect of gameplay, if you make the player any more effective in combat - at all - then that's just pissing away the last little shred of resemblance to the Resident Evil series.
I really don't get why anyone would support this, no matter how it is implemented. Look at the last couple of Silent Hill games and how much everyone shits on them precisely because they made combat a core focus, took out most of the puzzles and did away with survival. But when Resi gets the same "updates" we're supposed to go "oh great, finally"? Fuck that. Resident Evil didn't become the massive series it has because it was a great action series. It got to where it is because it was the best example of slow, tense, easily punishing gameplay which required the player to do more than just shoot everything in sight to do well.
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I'm glad someone brought up Dead Space. I see RE with shooting while moving playing something like that, and I think that would be great.
P.s. Why is anyone pretending to care about a handheld RE game.
I'm glad someone brought up Dead Space. I see RE with shooting while moving playing something like that, and I think that would be great.
P.s. Why is anyone pretending to care about a handheld RE game.
Yeah you are being too harsh. Dead Space which in many ways was a Resident Evil ripoff, allowed you to move and shoot and was extremely atmospheric and scary.
No you're not being too harsh. Dead Space let's you move and shoot and it can be creepy and scary and all that. It's also very atmospheric and very focused, something Resident Evil 5 was not.
So if they continue down the path they started down with RE5's balls to the wall action game style, yeah, being able to move and shoot would be like taking Resident Evil's identity away. Everything else is mostly gone. This is all we've got left.
But that doesn't mean it can't be fun, right?
So if they continue down the path they started down with RE5's balls to the wall action game style, yeah, being able to move and shoot would be like taking Resident Evil's identity away. Everything else is mostly gone. This is all we've got left.
But that doesn't mean it can't be fun, right?
Honestly I would like more games like Resident Evil 4. Games with a singular focus. No co-op. Dark and foreboding environments.
Resident Evil 4 was the best.
Resident Evil 4 was the best.
I like moving, having to stand still just seems like an unnecessary restriction on the player. It makes sense to move and shoot so it's only right that you can; either way i don't mind.
@sofi88 I agree with you Sir......But on a separate note No being harsh just kinda dramatic (in my opinion) :D IF they do it right then I'm sure the game will be ok allowing you to move and shoot I know CHANGE IS SCARY for anything lol but if they keep things the same people will say..."ooh just more of the same trying to be creepy resident evil" but if they change it people will say."Grr it's not resident evil anymore it's lost it's.."Heart and soul"" lol....and of course RE4 was the best because it was New wow a resident evil from a different perspective...Wow O_O but not it's like oh...we saw that in RE4 And 5....I think Capcom should just do what they do best try to make Resident evil the best it can be Creepy and things like that...Fans say this and that...And it's usually when the developers are trying to please the "Core" fans that they Mess up :-/ Maybe they should just make a Final Resident Evil game and put the series to rest it was good while it lasted but times have changed.
@CUDpwns I like the way you think...I can still be scared running and shooting...cause I may run into another group of zombie while looking in another direction shooting...making things even scarier...which is what Resident Evil is about. Oh And I like playing Resident Evil with a Friend...Co-op Can be scary.Like you and a partner get separated in a creepy mansion and you have to regroup and both of you are being chased by two very lethal creatures who can kill you in a second and it's dark and the lights are distorted. Idk just a though.
@JonathanHolmes This is so amusing to see you and everyone else bitch about the loss of tank controls. That energy though is totally wasted and you know why?! Because the friggin 3DS just like the PSP has ONLY ONE ANALOG STICK, that means even though you could move and shoot at the same time, you simply won't because of the uncomfortable and imprecise controls! So stop whining and stick to the default stop and shoot tank control scheme the game will undoubtedly be set to the first time you'll play it!!!
what deter me from playing the RE series any more is the plot, not the gameplay, a former biological weapon developer (who always like to wear sunglasses) turned mad and want to become a god, so he ultimately want to rule over a global population of mindless zombies, if that is not silly I don't know what is, not only Wesker is a typical cartoon villain, even Lord Spencer end up to be a sorry whiner. oh this is unbearable.
what deter me from playing the RE series is the plot, not the gameplay, a former biological weapon developer (who always like to wear sunglasses) turned mad and want to become a god, so he ultimately want to rule over a global population of mindless zombies, if that is not silly I don't know what is, not only Wesker is a typical cartoon villain, even Lord Spencer end up to be a sorry whiner. oh this is unbearable.
I completely agree Holmes. The controls were fine the way they were, and lended themselves well to the RE style of gameplay.
Sounds good to me. I think that problem would be if they turned it into a run and gun type of game, but I suspect that instead it'll be something where you can move really slowly whilst aiming. I know there were plenty of times in RE4 and RE5 where I went to aim, but then had to stop aiming, move over a foot, and then aim again because something was blocking my view.
@Euphorbus I never thought about the plot really....but now that you put it that way it does make sense :-/ why would you wanna control a world with mindless zombies :/ or even where shades in the dark...or where a Heavy Jacket in Africa O_o
I wouldn't mind it if there was an option to turn that feature off (not gonna happen). Why would they possibly feel the need to change Resident Evil into being something other than Resident Evil? Because people who have just found the franchise complain?
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