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Reports: PS3 will downgrade 720p; Sony just owned you photo

Want to know how to truly screw every gamer and customer? Well, then take a page from the Sony book, because they have a ton of secrets to share with you. The latest debacle to be added onto the ever growing sh*t pile that is the PlayStation 3 has to do with the fact that if you own an HDTV that only goes up to 1080i, well, then you're sh*t out of luck with games that only go up to 720p. Can you believe this?

The latest (rather major) tidbit is how the console treats the upscaling and downscaling of 720p titles on televisions that don't support that resolution -- specifically those that are only 1080i capable.

As it turns out, gamers who own older HD sets that feature only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolution input capabilities will have to settle for the display quality being downsized as the game boots in its 480p mode rather than upscaling the image from its more desirable 720p mode to the TV's 1080i. We tested this development on older HDTV sets with games designed for 720p but not 1080i -- Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. Sure enough, the system downshifted all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i.

The PlayStation 3's competitor, Microsoft's Xbox 360, does upscale 720p games to 1080i if the HD set supports the latter resolution but not the in-between and commonly-employed 720p resolution.

Think $600 is expensive? Wait until you drop a couple grand to get a 1080p HD set to make that PS3 actually worthy. Welcome to next gen. 








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ZeroTolo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:08
ZeroTolo
HAHA!! Take that all! I don't even have an HD-TV! A/V output for me!
JuanoTejano's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:09
JuanoTejano
Somebody is apparently quite the fan of dog pickles, you sick perverted bastard.
ComradeRobbins's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:14
ComradeRobbins
This only occurs on T.V.'s that don't support 720p, but do have 1080i. What this translates to is a small minority of HDTVs that were from several years ago. You make this sound like its a widespread problem, but if you have a T.V. that supports 720p, which looks better than 1080i anyway, the game will play fine.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:19
Darren Nakamura
This is really confusing. But, uh, yeah, OMGLOL S0nY is teh sux0rs.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:20
World Famous
But Comrade, why can't it upscale like the 360? You'd think Sony would want to cover all their HD bases, right? Since this machine is all about HD.
rebelcan's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:20
rebelcan
Hrmm. Seeing as I haven't bought a HDTV for myself yet, this is a good thing to remember. Now I only need to save the several thousand dollars I'll need to buy the HDTV, Xbox360, and eventually the PS3.

Being addicted to video games really sucks sometimes.
ComradeRobbins's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:21
ComradeRobbins
Yeah, it does suck that it doesn't upscale, but I imagine that will be something that a firmware update will fix.
for the aeon of the hallowed's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:27
for the aeon of the hallowed
@comrade robbins

the fact of the matter is that sony should have supported the upscale unstead of screwing gamers out of an hd experience... especially since no one has boasted more than sony about "true hd" and next gen prowess. this is just bad business, plain and simple.
Nick Chester's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:30
Nick Chester
Wow. Seeing as how my television is native 1080i and that's it, looks like I'm kind of fucked. I'm speechless. Guess my "second shipment" PS3 is eBay bound sooner than I originally had planned. Jerkfaces.
ComradeRobbins's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:34
ComradeRobbins
My point is this only occurs when a set doesn't support 720p but does support a 1080i image, which is still incredibly rare. The machine's focus is HD, but the scenario in which this error occurs is so rare, its not surprising it was unnoticed. This is something that will be fixed through an update, it has to be. Look at the 360, it only recently got 1080 support, so there was no upscaling issues, because it couldn't even output at those resolutions. Then there's the HD-DVD 360 drive, which won't work with certain sets using VGA input. There's always an error with HD, its a tricky set of options to wrestle with. This uncertainty with HD products is one reason I think so many people are afraid to take the leap into the "next-generation" and HD.
Chris Taran's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 22:58
Chris Taran
Good game Sony, good game.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 23:10
Aurain
You guys are so cosmetic. Graphics are much less important than gameplay and storyline, Yeah, that sucks, but the vast majority of people dont have HDTV anyway.
Igdrasil's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 23:15
Igdrasil
"Graphics are much less important than gameplay"...
yeah, lets go to play NES games on a crappy TV.
(by the way, what are you doing here, on a nex-gen videogames site?)
Twiggy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 23:31
Twiggy
Destructoid isn't a "Next-Gen videogames site," I don't think Niero even has a 360. A lot of Dtoiders are old-school gaming aficianados, and I haven't seen any bias towards 'only the new stuff' in a site that is remarkably dedicated to the celebration of gaming, not simply the mindless slavering after the "next big thing." (not that we don't all love that too.) There's plenty of posts on Destructoid about exactly that, playing NES games on old crappy TVs, because despite their age a lot of those games are timeless. Don't flame just because somebody brings up the 'graphics aren't everything' argument.
Oh, and there's two G's in Yggdrasil.
Igdrasil's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 23:48
Igdrasil
In Spanish (my mother tongue) Yggdrasil become Igdrasil.
Twiggy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/15/2006 23:54
Twiggy
Ah. Apologies, sir. Even with an I, I have only ever seen it with two G's.
Lord_Satorious's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2006 00:08
Lord_Satorious
So the PlayStation 3 doesn't upscale at all? I really prefer 1080i to 720p, my specific model television has one of the best 1080i modes available. I'm sure the PS3 can download an upgrade at some point which would allow for upscaling, but it's still disappointing that it doesn't do it already.
Xabora's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2006 02:39
Xabora
Comrade,
If the game is 1080p only and has no support for 720p but has it for 480p... guess what.

Your 720p HDTV will be running at 480p.
bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2006 02:56
bleep
@ Twiggy:
I was thinking the same thing! I don't read Dtoid because of "nex-gen" articles that have been frequently posted. Igdrasil obviously didn't read the basic def. of what Dtoid is: A Hardcore Gaming Community! Not about one console, new or old.
bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2006 02:57
bleep
Oh and F*CK Sony!
some_dude's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2006 06:25
some_dude
@ComradRobbins

Your statement that "this only occurs when a set doesn't support 720p but does support a 1080i image, which is still incredibly rare." is true of newer HD tvs. But it is very common in early model HD tvs. Sony's been making HD sets for quite a while and should have been aware of this issue. This probably won't be a big issue if Sony doesn't ignore it. I would think this would be pretty easy to fix, we'll just have to wait and see.
indirect's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/16/2006 23:05
indirect
HDTVs that only support 480p/i & 1080i are certainly NOT 'incredibly rare'. Some 10%-15% of HDTVs do not have internal scalers. What this means is that there are people right now camping out for a PS3 that will get home only to find out that they will get no HD love. The same people who were early adopters for HD are the ones lining up for the PS3. This is a massive f**k up.

I was planning on getting one next year, but now there is no way. I bought my HDTV in 2003 & it does not support 720p native. I waited for years before my purchase. I read all kinds of articles & at the time 720p really wasn't a concern because it was considered a temporary step to 'true hd'. There are millions of people in the same boat as me, and it's a real deal breaker for the PS3. Hopefully it can be fixed.
some_dude's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/17/2006 19:15
some_dude
Do most HD cable boxes upscale? I was under the impression that most HD broadcasts were 720p.
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