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It's not true digital content but it is a really smart way to make a portabl device where you don't need to lug around all your games. That is assuming the memory is hefty enough to handle a bunch of games.
If they're touting software installs as a solution for not having to carry a bunch of SD cards around then whats stopping people from getting games used or borrowing games from friends then returning them after an install?
Hmm, that would be awesome, but I'd first need to know the amount of internal memory, if any, and the average size of a 3DS game. Maybe they'll sell ampty 3DS cartridges with a whole bunch of memory so you can store all your games in there so there's no need to lug them around... Speculation, of course.
Rent a 3DS game, install it, ????, PROFIT!
I wonder if they're going to be keyed to a device once installed, to prevent the above scenario from happening?
I wonder if they're going to be keyed to a device once installed, to prevent the above scenario from happening?
@lolipantsu
You have to remember the IT TALKS TO THE INTERNET WHILE YOU SLEEP feature. I'm guessing each game will have a digital signature preventing 2 working copies at the same time. It's a cool idea, that will of course be cracked... surprised they're doing this really after the PSP being abused so badly. Still, I'm happy.
You have to remember the IT TALKS TO THE INTERNET WHILE YOU SLEEP feature. I'm guessing each game will have a digital signature preventing 2 working copies at the same time. It's a cool idea, that will of course be cracked... surprised they're doing this really after the PSP being abused so badly. Still, I'm happy.
As someone who has, even up until now, had little interest in anything from the current DS line; the more I see of the 3DS the more I more excited I become for the system... although, they had me at Star Fox.
I'll need to know more details because that sounds way too good to be true. Would it be compatible with and SD card? That would make the "internal memory" a moot point.
There will be DRM involved with these installations. I would highly doubt that they'd let software fly off like that.
I want that orange Metroidy looking one. But you know Nintendo is going to offer two basic colors at first, then release the cool colors later.
Oh man, that's pretty bold of them--they must have some sort of Mega Antipiracy solution at the ready. Either way, not having to carry all the carts or cards or whatever they're called now is pretty handy.
I think Manthai is on to something. It'll probably work kind of like the Pokemon games do now - your connection to the internet gets registered with the DS you use, and then you can only connect to the internet with that device unless you transfer the registration to a new system.
Very interesting feature though. Nintendo really gets us, you know?
Very interesting feature though. Nintendo really gets us, you know?
Anyone else hear the anti-piracy measure they're taking with the 3DS? I hear if the system doesn't detect 2 eyes looking at it, no playing for you. :O Confirmation?
I'm sure there will be something to it so that you have to keep the cartridge to like activate the game for like 24 hours, or something like that. Because what would stop people from just renting all the games they want and just copy it to the system?
That wouldn't even be considered piracy, because your paying to rent the game. I can't see Nintendo overlooking that fact, so there will be something to prevent you for just copying every game that you want and have it forever, or until you delete it!
That wouldn't even be considered piracy, because your paying to rent the game. I can't see Nintendo overlooking that fact, so there will be something to prevent you for just copying every game that you want and have it forever, or until you delete it!
I think it would be easy for them to prevent second installs, the game could just save whether or not it has been installed, and once it has, disallow further installs. I wouldn't mind putting the cartridge back in to uninstall and get my install back, either, but this solution would still allow the cartridge to be sold, minus the install. It would suck, but maybe once installed, the cartridge doesn't let you play anymore until you put it back in to 'uninstall'?
Again, that would suck if you buy a replacement, though. Not like they worry about it now with DSIware, anyway.
Again, that would suck if you buy a replacement, though. Not like they worry about it now with DSIware, anyway.
@Draxxlith,
Terrible idea. I will likely end up with two 3DS's.. one for me, one for my fiancee. Being unable to share a game would make it worthless to me.
Besides why would you want that or even suggest it?
Terrible idea. I will likely end up with two 3DS's.. one for me, one for my fiancee. Being unable to share a game would make it worthless to me.
Besides why would you want that or even suggest it?
I just signed up so I can mention that it does indeed allow for SD slots according to the specs on the Nintendo E3 site.
Input/Output:
A port that accepts both Nintendo 3DS game cards and game cards for the Nintendo DS™ family of systems, an SD memory card slot, an AC adapter connector, a charging cradle terminal and a stereo headphone output jack.
Input/Output:
A port that accepts both Nintendo 3DS game cards and game cards for the Nintendo DS™ family of systems, an SD memory card slot, an AC adapter connector, a charging cradle terminal and a stereo headphone output jack.
^^ Besides, how could that possibly work unless you are able to write on to the cartridge? And if that's the case then how could they make it impossible for people to write onto the cartridge themselves and just unlock it from a PC?
I think this actually deals with more with installing part of a game than a full game. Nintendo has had just as much problems with piracy than the PSP if not worse with the R4 and such flash cards so I think they'll just have enough memory on there to keep little agents of games running in the background to do wireless communications with other 3DSs while in "sleep". Nintendo had a clip after their press conference on nintendo.com where they talked extensively about expanding the feature that first appeared in Nintendogs where you could set the game to a "receiver" mode, close the lid and it would communicate with other DSs running the nintendogs in the same mode to trade things or whatever. They mentioned allowing this without keeping the unit "on" (it would still need to be in a standby mode for communication to occur) and having many concurrent games executing this kind of feature at one. So trading pokedex data while walking near other pokemon players type of things. I think this is being blown way out of proportion.
I'm with Shadowcast. I haven't bought anything Nintendo since the Gamecube and their subsequent trend toward a "less quality, more gimmick" mindset, but the more I hear of this 3DS, the more likely it seems I'll be handing Nintendo a few more of my hard-earned dollars once again.
optimism:
You'll have an account like on steam or xbox. When you install the cartridge, it binds that cart's serial number to your account, unbinding any previous activations. The cartridge will keep working without installation, but it can only be installed to one account at a time.
realism:
There are no transferrable accounts, only hardware. When you install off the cartridge, it makes the cartridge useless until you uninstall. If you lose or break your 3DS with stuff installed on it, it works just like today's wiiware or dsiware.
You'll have an account like on steam or xbox. When you install the cartridge, it binds that cart's serial number to your account, unbinding any previous activations. The cartridge will keep working without installation, but it can only be installed to one account at a time.
realism:
There are no transferrable accounts, only hardware. When you install off the cartridge, it makes the cartridge useless until you uninstall. If you lose or break your 3DS with stuff installed on it, it works just like today's wiiware or dsiware.
Um it'll be like the 360 where u install but still need the physical media to play or the psp/3 where u install chunks of the game I'm assuming.
@sprldr
You are not alone, my friend.
However, I fear that Nintendo will ramp up their AP protection with this new system. Due to the R4 and the damage it has done, they know what is at stake here.
You are not alone, my friend.
However, I fear that Nintendo will ramp up their AP protection with this new system. Due to the R4 and the damage it has done, they know what is at stake here.
Im sure there will be s registration to the system with this, something to prevent piracy. As long as they come out with an account system so its not screwed if you lose your system, then brilliant
I imagine it would just work like the current DS does when connecting to the internet, where the game and the device are registered together as a single unit.
Also, this is fucking awesome to me. I've got one of those ridiculous bulky cases that has the row of slots of extra cards you want to carry around with it. I'm always terrified it's going to flip open and dump my games somewhere that the dog'll eat them.
Also, this is fucking awesome to me. I've got one of those ridiculous bulky cases that has the row of slots of extra cards you want to carry around with it. I'm always terrified it's going to flip open and dump my games somewhere that the dog'll eat them.
The more i read about the features on the 3DS the more i like it... and grow more concerned about the final price tag, that's the only negative point i'm concerned with it that i still have no answers.
This is scary, because they obviously aren't going to open a hole like that to allow people to rent, install, and return.
Remember that carts are writeable, which means this might mean that each one will "attach itself" to the first 3DS it's played on, making it useless to other players(and worthless on the used market).
I don't think we're going to like the other side of this story when it comes out..
Remember that carts are writeable, which means this might mean that each one will "attach itself" to the first 3DS it's played on, making it useless to other players(and worthless on the used market).
I don't think we're going to like the other side of this story when it comes out..
That's pretty awesome. It's also the kind of "installation" that I would like to see more of, possibly even on home consoles.
@ EchoRenegade - What would be the point of that? It's not like with the 360/PS3 where the systems read information from a disc, the DS uses cards that have their own memory on them. Installing would make a very small difference in load times if any at all. If they're going to have an install feature, it's going to have to work without physical media, <i>like it says in the article</i>.
WITHOUT the original carts?
Wow. There is going to be so much piracy with this thing that it's actually starting to make me twitch.
Wow. There is going to be so much piracy with this thing that it's actually starting to make me twitch.
Xbox 360 lets you install games to its HDD, but you still need the disc in the drive to play. What's your basis for claiming that the 3DS won't need the cartridges?
@EdgyDude The estimated price is already out on the Australian EB Games.
http://www.ebgames.com.au/sale-product-589-home-Nintendo-3DS
$350 AUD or $302 USD.
Though don't take that as a huge indication of where the price point will be in North America, even after conversion to USD, due to the inflation experienced in Australia. The DSiXL is listed at $298 at EB Games Australia right now, which would be $257 USD. That's a good $68 USD in inflation. That would come out at $234 USD for the 3DS if you can expect a similar inflation rate. I would expect more inflation on a launch, since I had heard the DSi launched at $400 AUD. That would put the price point around $200 optimistically, but not much higher in all likelihood. It's still just an estimate (even on the EB site), but I thought I might add my little bit of research in here.
http://www.ebgames.com.au/sale-product-589-home-Nintendo-3DS
$350 AUD or $302 USD.
Though don't take that as a huge indication of where the price point will be in North America, even after conversion to USD, due to the inflation experienced in Australia. The DSiXL is listed at $298 at EB Games Australia right now, which would be $257 USD. That's a good $68 USD in inflation. That would come out at $234 USD for the 3DS if you can expect a similar inflation rate. I would expect more inflation on a launch, since I had heard the DSi launched at $400 AUD. That would put the price point around $200 optimistically, but not much higher in all likelihood. It's still just an estimate (even on the EB site), but I thought I might add my little bit of research in here.
@Electrium
Requiring the original media is more of an antipiracy measure than anything else.
@smoger
"Remember that carts are writeable, which means this might mean that each one will "attach itself" to the first 3DS it's played on, making it useless to other players(and worthless on the used market)."
I wouldn't be surprised. There goes my desire to buy 3DS games - I *hate* buying games that I can't resell.
Requiring the original media is more of an antipiracy measure than anything else.
@smoger
"Remember that carts are writeable, which means this might mean that each one will "attach itself" to the first 3DS it's played on, making it useless to other players(and worthless on the used market)."
I wouldn't be surprised. There goes my desire to buy 3DS games - I *hate* buying games that I can't resell.
@electrium I imagine the point would be facilitate the wireless transfer or data from multiple games, regardless of which one you're playing... Ie. You could train your nintendog, trade pokemon, get messages in animal crossing etc etc all while you're playing kid Icarus or something.
I highly doubt they'd make something where you insert the cars once, then never need it again, but I guess we'll see.
I highly doubt they'd make something where you insert the cars once, then never need it again, but I guess we'll see.
*cart... Damn you iPhone...
Anyway, I guess it could be possible that an install will be good for a certain number of plays, before you have to re-insert it for verification or something to play again, but I dunno that could be a pain in the arse and doesn't sound too realistic to me. This is all just mindless speculation until we hear something solid from nintendo.
Anyway, I guess it could be possible that an install will be good for a certain number of plays, before you have to re-insert it for verification or something to play again, but I dunno that could be a pain in the arse and doesn't sound too realistic to me. This is all just mindless speculation until we hear something solid from nintendo.
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