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I think it would be funny if Activision started a Kickstarter for the next Call of Duty.
I bet you even if they just offered t-shirts or tickets to the COD Event, they'd make budget.
I bet you even if they just offered t-shirts or tickets to the COD Event, they'd make budget.
What was the last kick starter??? Ahh that JRPG Working Designs project... totally meant to buy in but forgot. Dtoid should start its own Kickstarter tab for Indy game devs.
Like the one for a physical version of Class of Heroes 2, this one seems utterly unnecessary and something I wouldn't really want to fund anyway. Hopefully Kickstarter projects like this will die off once it becomes clear that public enthusiasm is required to fulfil them.
I'm not a Larry fan so I'll pass on this particular project for now, but I think you're being a bit harsh on Kickstarter in general, Conrad. Or maybe I'm too keen on the idea. I dunno. Maybe both. Point is, I see the rebirth of the industry in Kickstarter, and I'm absolutely serious about that.
Brian Fargo said, perhaps not in so many words but I believe this was the point he was trying to make, that crowdfunding represents the nerds taking back the video game industry. It started out that way, and somewhere between those earlier days and today, it became... something else.
Now don't get me wrong, I've said a million times and I still firmly believe that there's never been a better time to be a gamer than right now. I'd be lying or blind, though, if I didn't recognize that big industry is taking over, and that it's probably not a good thing. These Kickstarter projects are in essence then, the chemo for the cancer that's killing gaming.
The very notion that a developer can involve the gamer in every step of the process, from funding to development to post-launch support and everything in between, absolutely thrills me and re-ignites a passion for gaming that I haven't felt so strongly in decades. I've been a consumer of gaming as entertainment since I was 6 years old, but I haven't felt like I was truly a PART of gaming as a movement in a long time. I do now, though.
Brian Fargo said, perhaps not in so many words but I believe this was the point he was trying to make, that crowdfunding represents the nerds taking back the video game industry. It started out that way, and somewhere between those earlier days and today, it became... something else.
Now don't get me wrong, I've said a million times and I still firmly believe that there's never been a better time to be a gamer than right now. I'd be lying or blind, though, if I didn't recognize that big industry is taking over, and that it's probably not a good thing. These Kickstarter projects are in essence then, the chemo for the cancer that's killing gaming.
The very notion that a developer can involve the gamer in every step of the process, from funding to development to post-launch support and everything in between, absolutely thrills me and re-ignites a passion for gaming that I haven't felt so strongly in decades. I've been a consumer of gaming as entertainment since I was 6 years old, but I haven't felt like I was truly a PART of gaming as a movement in a long time. I do now, though.
@Chris I feel like they'd have to work up s whole new style of PR. They'd also have to make it easy/accessible for people who aren't familiar with Kickstarter. Also, think of the children, how will they get their fix?!
Yeah, I wrote about it in length the other day -I think I really am getting tired of this already. I really hope we get to a point where people begin to realize that dumping their money into these kickstarters doesn't guarantee them that the game will come out, or that the project will even survive.
Its no better then pre-ordering a game, if only worse because there's no real indication that the game will ever make it to market, and there's no refunds on charity.
Somethings going to fail along the way and one side or another is going to get pissed and riot all over the other, and all along the way no ones going to want to hear it.. Maybe even something as retarded as another Duke Nukem Forever incident, with actual customer money begin taken for the ride, and its going to set the industry ablaze.
Good will only goes so far before it becomes entitlement, and that sentiment is a two way street.
Its no better then pre-ordering a game, if only worse because there's no real indication that the game will ever make it to market, and there's no refunds on charity.
Somethings going to fail along the way and one side or another is going to get pissed and riot all over the other, and all along the way no ones going to want to hear it.. Maybe even something as retarded as another Duke Nukem Forever incident, with actual customer money begin taken for the ride, and its going to set the industry ablaze.
Good will only goes so far before it becomes entitlement, and that sentiment is a two way street.
Oh hey:
"Lounge Lizard Edition: For a pledge of $7500, you can be a patron at the bar that Destructoid called the #1 bar in all video game history!"
"Lounge Lizard Edition: For a pledge of $7500, you can be a patron at the bar that Destructoid called the #1 bar in all video game history!"
Kickstarter is bound to have good and bad days. However, I hope there isn't a major backlash against it. I think it provides a good platform for generating low-mid-tier funding opportunities. If even -one- great game is made because of KS, which wouldn't have been made otherwise, it will definitely be worth the whole endeavor.
Ok something is not right here, they showed this working few months ago and said that this remake is in full development, they had money and suddenly today they want 500 k for reskin old adv game. Double Fine wanted 400 k for completely new game. Don't get me wrong I wanna play this Larry remake but this seems kinda fishy.
Oh come on! Didnt they start the development of this at January? Why do they have to resort to Kickstarter? I thought they had everything going well.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/exclusive-leisure-suit-larry-returns-in-hd/
This stinks.
http://www.egmnow.com/articles/exclusive-leisure-suit-larry-returns-in-hd/
This stinks.
>>they want 500 k for reskin old adv game. Double Fine wanted 400 k for completely new game.
For that money DF-game was supposed to be not that big, to have no voices, and probably even to not be all that HD and well-animated. It was a less money than the budged for Costume Quest, after all.
So no, nothing fishy about that.
For that money DF-game was supposed to be not that big, to have no voices, and probably even to not be all that HD and well-animated. It was a less money than the budged for Costume Quest, after all.
So no, nothing fishy about that.
I wonder why they need Kickstarter now and didn't before, and I hope they will answer about that. Otherwise I'm in.
Also, FULL FRAME BY FRAME ANIMATION! WOW! That walk cycle and Larry being killed by the taxi is so good looking. Man. I hope Double Fine does the same thing, and not crappy flash animation.
And lol at people getting tired of Kickstarter
Also, FULL FRAME BY FRAME ANIMATION! WOW! That walk cycle and Larry being killed by the taxi is so good looking. Man. I hope Double Fine does the same thing, and not crappy flash animation.
And lol at people getting tired of Kickstarter
Kickstarter was never intended to fund all comers, it was just a way to directly support the projects you personally want to. I'd buy this game when it comes out, but only on a Steam sale.
I want to support this and probably will, but I'm not sure LSL1 needs another remake (it already got one, after all). I'd rather see a remake of 3, which is one of my all-time favorite adventure games. Better yet, I wish they'd make a brand new Larry game - they can go ahead and call it "Leisure Suit Larry 4" since that never existed. It'd be brilliant.
I'm surprised with all the Kickstarter-backed games, I have yet to see any coverage for BigFinish's attempt to make a new Tex Murphy game through Kickstarter.
As for LSL, add that to another game on my list of contributions I've made. If we could somehow get a new Gabriel Knight through Kickstarter, I'd EASILY pay $50+ for it.
As for LSL, add that to another game on my list of contributions I've made. If we could somehow get a new Gabriel Knight through Kickstarter, I'd EASILY pay $50+ for it.
@JetSetRadioForever
He is.
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Right, I'm putting down cash for this, the LSL series is one of my favourite franchises of all time.
He is.
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Right, I'm putting down cash for this, the LSL series is one of my favourite franchises of all time.
Eh. I was onboard with Wasteland and Double Fine's project, but I can't get excited for this. Leisure Suit Larry was fine back in the 90s, but I have porn (and better adventure games) now.
If Al Lowe did a Kickstarter for Leisure Suit Larry, I'd probably donate $100 to get that ball rolling!
But some random company... I'll check it out when it comes out, but that's about it.
But some random company... I'll check it out when it comes out, but that's about it.
Disappointed that it's a remake and their goal is set a hundred grand above DoubleFine but I still chucked in minimum for the game.
Hahahaha that video was hilarious!
I'm not sure about this "donate to make a game" though; costumers will support the game when it comes out by buying a copy and recommending it to their peers. I just don't think that "charity" and "funding a game that we'll sell anyways" are the same. I can't explain it at the moment, but somewhere there it feels like they're looking at us gamers like morons who throw their money, but that's just my baseless intuition.
I'm not sure about this "donate to make a game" though; costumers will support the game when it comes out by buying a copy and recommending it to their peers. I just don't think that "charity" and "funding a game that we'll sell anyways" are the same. I can't explain it at the moment, but somewhere there it feels like they're looking at us gamers like morons who throw their money, but that's just my baseless intuition.
Replay commented on Kickstarter, "We had potential investors wanting to put money in to Replay until we announced Leisure Suit Larry and then suddenly we heard crickets. One VC (venture capitalist) even told me outright on the phone "investing in Replay will tarnish our good name because you're publishing Leisure Suit Larry".
That explains why what was previously announced as privately funded is now a Kickstarter.
That explains why what was previously announced as privately funded is now a Kickstarter.
Thanks, Tim...that's EXACTLY why we've launched it on Kickstarter. And if anyone was paying any attention in October, the only thing we announced was that we secured the rights. We never said it was in full production because it wasn't. We had to raise the money first, either from VC's or other investors. Truth be told, nobody believed adventure games have a following anymore. And it's not a "re-skin" as some people call it. The only thing we're able to use from the previous game is the design. Everything else is made from scratch. Every line of code and every piece of art. When you take in to account that programmers, artists, sound engineers, and pretty much anybody with experience makes $100k / year salary in the video game industry, we've cut our costs to the bone and none of us are making any money at this low budget. It's easy to hate on something, but it's much nicer to be cool.
I love the possibilities that Kickstarter can potentially offer. I backed Wasteland 2, and the Double Fine adventure game is firmly on my radar. I've never played a Larry game, but it seems to be a beloved classic and I'll keep an eye out for that as well.
That said, I share Conrad's concerns about this Kickstarter frenzy. Let's face it, the market for Kickstarter games is not the Call of Duty market, and I fear that too many projects vying for money from a niche market at the same time may lead to Kickstarter fatigue, and what emerged virtually overnight as a revolutionary new way of giving control back to developers and players may crash and burn just as fast.
Then there is the risk that opportunists may jump in, take our money and walk away. Let's not forget that Kickstarter is largely an honor based system. We have no way of knowing exactly how our money is being spent, and for all we know Tim Shaffer might use half the funding money to make the game and the other half to buy a house! Of course, I don't believe that's going to happen, and neither does anybody else, which is why people gave him 3 million dollars, but the possibility for scams is certainly there.
This Larry game, for one, doesn't really inspire my trust. Wasn't this announced months ago as already being in development? And now it's suddenly on Kickstarter asking for 500 thousand dollars? I'm taking a wait and see approach with that one.
That said, I share Conrad's concerns about this Kickstarter frenzy. Let's face it, the market for Kickstarter games is not the Call of Duty market, and I fear that too many projects vying for money from a niche market at the same time may lead to Kickstarter fatigue, and what emerged virtually overnight as a revolutionary new way of giving control back to developers and players may crash and burn just as fast.
Then there is the risk that opportunists may jump in, take our money and walk away. Let's not forget that Kickstarter is largely an honor based system. We have no way of knowing exactly how our money is being spent, and for all we know Tim Shaffer might use half the funding money to make the game and the other half to buy a house! Of course, I don't believe that's going to happen, and neither does anybody else, which is why people gave him 3 million dollars, but the possibility for scams is certainly there.
This Larry game, for one, doesn't really inspire my trust. Wasn't this announced months ago as already being in development? And now it's suddenly on Kickstarter asking for 500 thousand dollars? I'm taking a wait and see approach with that one.
@Gwendolyn
There is no donation, and there is no charity. Have you ever pre-ordered a game? That's pretty much what Kickstarter is, except your pre-order money is also the funding money. You help the game get made AND get it for less than the full price when it comes out. Without that money, the game cannot be made, so it won't "sell anyways" since it won't exist. If you're only pledging $15 for a copy of the game, it's really no different than a very early pre-order.
There is no donation, and there is no charity. Have you ever pre-ordered a game? That's pretty much what Kickstarter is, except your pre-order money is also the funding money. You help the game get made AND get it for less than the full price when it comes out. Without that money, the game cannot be made, so it won't "sell anyways" since it won't exist. If you're only pledging $15 for a copy of the game, it's really no different than a very early pre-order.
Most of the concerns over the remake (why they need $500k, rights, previous announcements, etc.) are addressed quite nicely in the FAQ on the Kickstarter project page. I'd be great if you'd update the article with the details.
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