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The more I hear from Reggie, the more he strikes me as a smug child who won a game through luck and never lets his friends live it down.
I think it's clear that MS and Sony are playing the long game, and in the long game, luck always runs out. Always.
I think it's clear that MS and Sony are playing the long game, and in the long game, luck always runs out. Always.
Nintendo have every right to be smug at the moment. They've lost to Sony 2 generations running and finally seem to have a foothold in winning this one. If I was Reggie I would even worse I suspect.
I pretty much disagree with that entire paragraph about nintendo's smugness. They marketed the wii extremely well, and I don't think it's exactly fair to call it a fluke seeing as they did the same with the DS the previous year. There was certainly an element of right place at the right time, but the same is true of every single enormously successful product. As for the lack of innovation in wii games so far, the only true first party wii games out so far are wii sports, excitebike and metroid prime 3, the rest being basically gamecube ports with waggle. Third parties will understandably take longer to get good with motion control, but some companies, particularly capcom and konami, are already off to a damn good start. A few more months, and I think we're going to start seeing a lot more AAA titles from all over.
As for the wii not being innovative, bullshit. Sure, all the technology existed before the wii, but putting all together was a very good idea. Both the 360 and the PS3 are pretty much the same as last gen, but moreso. Other than greater horsepower, they don't really have anything the wii can't match. You might like live or PSN more than wii equivalents, but the wii can match most all of the more important features.
As for the wii not being innovative, bullshit. Sure, all the technology existed before the wii, but putting all together was a very good idea. Both the 360 and the PS3 are pretty much the same as last gen, but moreso. Other than greater horsepower, they don't really have anything the wii can't match. You might like live or PSN more than wii equivalents, but the wii can match most all of the more important features.
@Jim
Fluke = an accident or chance happening.
When you spend years in development and marketing, it's not a fluke. Remember the press conferences from before Nintendo even revealed the Wii? They told us it would be a new innovative way to play games that would open console gaming to an entirely new market. That is amazing foresight, not a fluke.
Was the PS2 a "fluke?" I'm sure Sony didn't expect the mass amount of sales that the PS2 has claimed. So somehow, because Sony didn't expect that many sales, all the R&D and advertising now doesn't count? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Also, while IR and motion sensing technology isn't "new", name one other home console that uses IR and motion detection to play games, with a minimum of buttons...
and tell me how I could play Zack and Wiki without a Wiimote...
That being said, the game selection does suck right now, I can only hope more developers start to "think outside the analog stick."
Fluke = an accident or chance happening.
When you spend years in development and marketing, it's not a fluke. Remember the press conferences from before Nintendo even revealed the Wii? They told us it would be a new innovative way to play games that would open console gaming to an entirely new market. That is amazing foresight, not a fluke.
Was the PS2 a "fluke?" I'm sure Sony didn't expect the mass amount of sales that the PS2 has claimed. So somehow, because Sony didn't expect that many sales, all the R&D and advertising now doesn't count? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Also, while IR and motion sensing technology isn't "new", name one other home console that uses IR and motion detection to play games, with a minimum of buttons...
and tell me how I could play Zack and Wiki without a Wiimote...
That being said, the game selection does suck right now, I can only hope more developers start to "think outside the analog stick."
For a co. that I was expecting to die and become a game-maker after the failure that was the (awesome) Gamecube, I am willing to accept a bit of ego. Especially considering the attitude toward the Wii when it was unveiled.
Let 'em whip it out and go "whadump!" with it, for all its failings Nintendo earned it.
And Mario Galaxy is going to be a fuck tonne of awesome compared to the repeat that is Halo 3.
Let 'em whip it out and go "whadump!" with it, for all its failings Nintendo earned it.
And Mario Galaxy is going to be a fuck tonne of awesome compared to the repeat that is Halo 3.
We've got to remember how smug nintendo were in the 64 and GC days, it's no wonder they're worse when they actually have something to brag about.
One can be confident while still being humble. Arrogance is not attractive in anyone or any company. That's when mistakes start to creep in. Nintendo (mainly its American executives) need to learn this...FAST.
The Wii as a console has been marketed extremely well, the fact they bundled Wii Sports with it was a very good move. But the problem is, there still isn't the games out there, and when games come out, their hardly making a dent on the charts.
The top 3 selling games are Wii Sports, bundled with the console so unsuprising, Wii Play, with an average ratio of half of Wii owners owning a copy although I know some who bought 2 or 3 copies for the extra remote, and Mario Party 8 with a quarter of what Wii Sports has sold. After that is Super Paper Mario with a units sold figure that roughly translates as a SIXTH of Wii sports total.
This shows that while the hardware is selling like hot cakes, nobody is really bothering with the console beyond Wii Sports. Its the same situation the PSP is in where people buy it for the homebrew, and although the figures are quite different, people use the software charts for the PSP to say its a failure, yet ignore the same chart positions for the Wii.
Nintendo were once loved for their games, now their loved for their hardware... never thought I'd see that happen.
The top 3 selling games are Wii Sports, bundled with the console so unsuprising, Wii Play, with an average ratio of half of Wii owners owning a copy although I know some who bought 2 or 3 copies for the extra remote, and Mario Party 8 with a quarter of what Wii Sports has sold. After that is Super Paper Mario with a units sold figure that roughly translates as a SIXTH of Wii sports total.
This shows that while the hardware is selling like hot cakes, nobody is really bothering with the console beyond Wii Sports. Its the same situation the PSP is in where people buy it for the homebrew, and although the figures are quite different, people use the software charts for the PSP to say its a failure, yet ignore the same chart positions for the Wii.
Nintendo were once loved for their games, now their loved for their hardware... never thought I'd see that happen.
I think if nothing else, the Wii was a work of marketing genius, at least in the months before its release. After all, you had people actively checking sites like digg for any little piece of news, and considering Nintendo was pretty stingy with it, hype created itself when rumors and 3rd party devs made their own statements.
Before the Wii was released, I thought it was going to change the world of gaming and that graphics could be crap as long as it was "fun" and "innovative".
Luckily, by now I've come back down to Earth.
Before the Wii was released, I thought it was going to change the world of gaming and that graphics could be crap as long as it was "fun" and "innovative".
Luckily, by now I've come back down to Earth.
Reggie sucks. He drives good people like Jim Sterling to say silly things like "The Gamecube was a failure" and "The Wii's success is a fluke" just because Reggie is so damn annoying.
What sucks about Nintendo America in general is that they take credit for things they had nothing to do with. They basically do nothing but market Japanese products to Americans. And they don't even do that particularly well in my opinion.
For serious, what does Reggie actually... do? He gives speeches (poorly), and that's about it, right?
That being said, I do have to disagree with good Mr Jim on the points that the Wii is a fluke and that the GC was a failure. Nintendo Japan had a strategy to appeal to the masses, and it worked. On so many levels, like the price, the downloadable content, the controls, the Wii was designed to appeal to exactly the population is selling with. That population would being "all human beings". At this point everyone I know is a t least interested in the Wii, except for the most staunch techno-phobes and hard core graphics whores. Once the Wii price drops to $99, I'm guessing it will pretty much take over the earth.
As for the Gamecube, it was no more a failure than the X-Box1 or the PSP. They weren't the "winners" but financially they were not losers either.
What sucks about Nintendo America in general is that they take credit for things they had nothing to do with. They basically do nothing but market Japanese products to Americans. And they don't even do that particularly well in my opinion.
For serious, what does Reggie actually... do? He gives speeches (poorly), and that's about it, right?
That being said, I do have to disagree with good Mr Jim on the points that the Wii is a fluke and that the GC was a failure. Nintendo Japan had a strategy to appeal to the masses, and it worked. On so many levels, like the price, the downloadable content, the controls, the Wii was designed to appeal to exactly the population is selling with. That population would being "all human beings". At this point everyone I know is a t least interested in the Wii, except for the most staunch techno-phobes and hard core graphics whores. Once the Wii price drops to $99, I'm guessing it will pretty much take over the earth.
As for the Gamecube, it was no more a failure than the X-Box1 or the PSP. They weren't the "winners" but financially they were not losers either.
Gamecube made money, even if it came in 3rd place, and last I checked businesses were around for the goal of making money. If you went by profits last gen, Nintendo came in second above Microsoft.
People still complaining that the Wii doesn't have any games need to go out and pick up Zack and Wiki. Like, right now. I find it amusing how when people mention the 360 or the PS3, they often focus only on the best titles, but when it's the Wii, they only talk about minigame collections. If you think there's nothing to play on that system, then you're actively trying to ignore it, sorry. The Wii's appeal to the non-hardcore gamer is where it's real innovation lies. When I can see my parents pick up and enjoy games for the first time in... ever, that's something pretty astonishing. And my folks were asking me if I was going to be getting a Wii before I ever mentioned it existed to them. If you can get people completely outside the traditional target group talking about your product, you've done a damn fine job of marketing. The quote you used to reinforce your "lucky fluke" statement was Nintendo explaining why they can't keep the things on shelves. They expected it to do well. Instead it did holy fucking shit we've got a monster on our hands.
At least among my circle of gamer friends, they all love the Wii. These are PC and Xbox\PS2 owners who had little interest in the Gamecube. Last time we got together, we ended up playing MP3, Excite Truck, Z&W, and Mario Strikers Charged the entire day. A few of them declared they were finally going to get a Wii, and the game that pushed them over the edge? Excite Truck, a launch title. One of them said he enjoyed it more than Burnout 4, which I think is going a bit overboard myself... but this same guy is a HUGE Burnout fan.
These statements by Reggie are the same bullshit that spews out of his analogs over at Sony and MS. It's PR white noise. Every company does it. Is Reggie being "smug" because he can actually back up his words with hardware sales?
At least among my circle of gamer friends, they all love the Wii. These are PC and Xbox\PS2 owners who had little interest in the Gamecube. Last time we got together, we ended up playing MP3, Excite Truck, Z&W, and Mario Strikers Charged the entire day. A few of them declared they were finally going to get a Wii, and the game that pushed them over the edge? Excite Truck, a launch title. One of them said he enjoyed it more than Burnout 4, which I think is going a bit overboard myself... but this same guy is a HUGE Burnout fan.
These statements by Reggie are the same bullshit that spews out of his analogs over at Sony and MS. It's PR white noise. Every company does it. Is Reggie being "smug" because he can actually back up his words with hardware sales?
Well, all microsoft had to do to win me this round was make a stable gaming machine that didn't break or crash, they failed, and that is why i never went the 360 rout.
I was very angry with sony, and completely thought they were down and out 2 years ago when the announced the ps3 being 700 bucks. i laughed. now 2 years later, they built the only stable powerful system that has good graphix, next gen storage, hd movies, and has dropped in price to match the 360 and out spec it. The games are starting to look a lot better on the ps3 than any other console. ratchet and clank, drake, and cod4, mgs4, heavenly sword have all proved it for me.
I bought a wii, i like wii sports, hated everything thing else that came out on it. Let me down big time, the graphics sucked, the games were one trick ponies, and i got tired of the gimmick of it real fast. They lack innovative software. The ps3 is the king of new ideas now, they won me back over, i was so anti sony 2 years ago. Man they proved me wrong..
Wii is a joke, a low priced con. It's a gamecube with a different controller, and the same problems as the gamecube, crap 3rd part games, and only first party mario, zelda rehashes..
Reggie's is out of touch. the 360 would be awesome IF IT DIDNT BREAK! PS3 is AWESOME, now that they make games with stable frame rates and great graphics and gameplay. If they fix the 360, i might buy one. but i will never buy a wii. no chance in hell. not again. what a let down..
I was very angry with sony, and completely thought they were down and out 2 years ago when the announced the ps3 being 700 bucks. i laughed. now 2 years later, they built the only stable powerful system that has good graphix, next gen storage, hd movies, and has dropped in price to match the 360 and out spec it. The games are starting to look a lot better on the ps3 than any other console. ratchet and clank, drake, and cod4, mgs4, heavenly sword have all proved it for me.
I bought a wii, i like wii sports, hated everything thing else that came out on it. Let me down big time, the graphics sucked, the games were one trick ponies, and i got tired of the gimmick of it real fast. They lack innovative software. The ps3 is the king of new ideas now, they won me back over, i was so anti sony 2 years ago. Man they proved me wrong..
Wii is a joke, a low priced con. It's a gamecube with a different controller, and the same problems as the gamecube, crap 3rd part games, and only first party mario, zelda rehashes..
Reggie's is out of touch. the 360 would be awesome IF IT DIDNT BREAK! PS3 is AWESOME, now that they make games with stable frame rates and great graphics and gameplay. If they fix the 360, i might buy one. but i will never buy a wii. no chance in hell. not again. what a let down..
the wii is succesful but i really cant stand that guy. he does strike me as a 5 year old in a old guys body which i guess adds to the perception that the wii is for kids only. either way glad the wii is kicking ass. maybe itll strike some life into sony. microsoft seems to be doing fine but i jus wish their software was more reliable.
I don't really disagree with the point about hardware and game development being too expensive. Whether I agree with Nintendo's approach, well, that's still unproven. But I'm betting neither Microsoft or Sony are highly pleased with the financial results of this generation of consoles.
Here's hoping that PR and executive quotes don't become the new fanwars fodder now that NPD numbers won't be fully divulged.
Here's hoping that PR and executive quotes don't become the new fanwars fodder now that NPD numbers won't be fully divulged.
I can barely keep up with all the great games on my 360. My Wii, well I guess theres mario galaxy...and the mario fighting boxing match thing...and shit I dunno prboably a mario prostate exam, or mario mario adventures in mario land. Maybe they'll bring out a mario game next.
So as not to sound hopelessly naive, my last sentence above should read:
Here's hoping that PR and executive quotes don't become exclusively the new fanwars fodder now that NPD numbers won't be fully divulged.
Here's hoping that PR and executive quotes don't become exclusively the new fanwars fodder now that NPD numbers won't be fully divulged.
@Mxyzptlk: You said everything I wanted to, and did it better than I could. If people want to know what I think, just go read Mxyzptlk's post.
I don't see the Nintendo Wii as a long lasting game console for those who are serious about gaming. It's a nice distraction, but nothing more than that. It will have some great games for sure, which it has a few of at the moment, but I don't think we'll be seeing anything ground breaking two years from now.
Technology moves fast and the Nintendo Wii won't be able to keep up with the 360 and PS3 in the long run. They have success now, but will it be long lasting? I don't think so.
Technology moves fast and the Nintendo Wii won't be able to keep up with the 360 and PS3 in the long run. They have success now, but will it be long lasting? I don't think so.
The whole "console war" is nothing but an over blown popularity contest (capt'n obvious). What really matters is if the market can sustain all the systems that are currently being sold.
Take a look at Nintendo; they have only two systems out right now. Both of those system will play the latest games and the previous system's games. Microsoft has only one system out right now. When the 360 came out, they quickly started to phase out the original Xbox. Now it's damn near impossible to find any NEW Xbox hardware/accessories in stores. Finally we have Sony. Wow. When they PS3 came out, the PS2 was/is still so damn popular that they have two consoles out that were/are competing against each other. But, in Sony's case, there were still a hand full of amazing PS2 titles in the pipeline that people wanted to play. Also there is the PSP as well.
So we, as gamers, have so many choices! So much to choose from! But, we don't have the money to spend on everything. So can the current market continue to sustain the amount of hardware out there? Will we as a whole continue to purchase the less expensive consoles/handhelds or will we slowly start to save up and purchase the more expensive consoles/handhelds?
Take a look at Nintendo; they have only two systems out right now. Both of those system will play the latest games and the previous system's games. Microsoft has only one system out right now. When the 360 came out, they quickly started to phase out the original Xbox. Now it's damn near impossible to find any NEW Xbox hardware/accessories in stores. Finally we have Sony. Wow. When they PS3 came out, the PS2 was/is still so damn popular that they have two consoles out that were/are competing against each other. But, in Sony's case, there were still a hand full of amazing PS2 titles in the pipeline that people wanted to play. Also there is the PSP as well.
So we, as gamers, have so many choices! So much to choose from! But, we don't have the money to spend on everything. So can the current market continue to sustain the amount of hardware out there? Will we as a whole continue to purchase the less expensive consoles/handhelds or will we slowly start to save up and purchase the more expensive consoles/handhelds?
I dont think Reggie has said or acted wrongly. He speaks his mind and its true from a business perspective. Look at how many iterations both Sony and Microsoft have made on their recent consoles and many more will be made so they can try to profit on a per unit basis. Meanwhile the Wii prints money. Obviously someone likes it. It may not be a "good" system to hardcore gaming reviewers but since when do they really impact the success or failure of a system-contrary to their own estimations-. So Reggie saying losing money on every unit is a box that will be hard to get out of is exactly right. There is no way to spin it otherwise. But Im sure folks will try....
Wii = Last Gen Console with a new controller ( with OLD technology)... And you dumbazzes are buying it as next gen... OF corse Nintendo is making money sellingyou outdated pc parts, lol!
who the hell is buying anything because "it's next gen". My outdated pc parts lets me play galaxy, smashbros and the other nintendo 1st party games. Plus its $250
I'm not a fanboy but just maybe Nintendo knows what the hell its doing. The DS and Wii print money. Virtual console is the shit (for people that dont use roms). X360 and PS3 are just trying to emulate the ps2 (which isn't a bad idea at all) by doing what they did last gen with newer technology (just like PSone to PS2). So far 360 has nailed the ps2 thing and sony pushed a little to hard technology wise
Yeah these elitist gamers who get so caught up in therir smug circle of critics cant recognize fun if it slapped them in the face. Sure the wii is different than the 360,etc and isnt graphically next gen but who gives a crap other than brainwashed peer pressure "hardcore" groups. I play Orange Box, Halo 3 and COD4 on the 360, Ratchet and soon Uncharted on the ps3, and Zack, Mario Party, and other fun games with my family and friends on the wii. Why cant you appreciate apples and oranges. I own all three systems and they all bring something great to the table-so get off your elitist horse "Oh all knowing reviewers" and recognize greatness in all its forms.
no its not a joke. all console war have to do with are a few things.
For me, its about how much you use it. ps3, i watch all dvds and blue rays with it, i play tons of games on it, and have had it running day after day for a long time, i download a ton of demos on it.
The 360 would do all the ps3 does cept blueray. cept it would break because i play games like crazy and have systems on for days straight hammering away on them. This is the biggest reason why i wouldn't buy a 360. I think the ps3 has better graphics and power, and in the next couple of years it will really start to pull away.
The wii collected dust after i got tired of wii sports, i bought zelda and didn't like it, i have never liked any mario game cept mario cart. that got boring too. metroid was great. but only one great game.. thats it.. The wii is gamecube 1.5. that is all it is. The games are not better, in fact in many regards they are worse. the gimmick controls get real bad in the 3rd party apps, and i hate mario party with a passion.
I have played all the systems a lot. And i honestly only like the 360 and ps3. 360 loses because of the red rings of death, and lack of features. The wii is a toy for kids and girls to play games that are really shallow and superficial at best. DANCING WITH THE STARS anyone?
GOD save the video game industry. Nintendo is ruining it, everything under the sun is getting a game for it now like the atari 2600. And we all know how that ended.
For me, its about how much you use it. ps3, i watch all dvds and blue rays with it, i play tons of games on it, and have had it running day after day for a long time, i download a ton of demos on it.
The 360 would do all the ps3 does cept blueray. cept it would break because i play games like crazy and have systems on for days straight hammering away on them. This is the biggest reason why i wouldn't buy a 360. I think the ps3 has better graphics and power, and in the next couple of years it will really start to pull away.
The wii collected dust after i got tired of wii sports, i bought zelda and didn't like it, i have never liked any mario game cept mario cart. that got boring too. metroid was great. but only one great game.. thats it.. The wii is gamecube 1.5. that is all it is. The games are not better, in fact in many regards they are worse. the gimmick controls get real bad in the 3rd party apps, and i hate mario party with a passion.
I have played all the systems a lot. And i honestly only like the 360 and ps3. 360 loses because of the red rings of death, and lack of features. The wii is a toy for kids and girls to play games that are really shallow and superficial at best. DANCING WITH THE STARS anyone?
GOD save the video game industry. Nintendo is ruining it, everything under the sun is getting a game for it now like the atari 2600. And we all know how that ended.
I just wanted to jump in and also disagree with your fluke statement.
Its like Guy Fawlkes blowing up half of England City instead of just England Castle.
::Hoping to explode Jim Sterling's mind with American half-wittery::
Its like Guy Fawlkes blowing up half of England City instead of just England Castle.
::Hoping to explode Jim Sterling's mind with American half-wittery::
I own all 3 consoles and love them all. The each do certain things well, and other things not so well. But saying that, Reggie might be one of the creepiest people I've ever seen.
@hexfix93, what is it like to work for Sony?
@Snaileb, fuck the Wii? Fuck you, every system is a few must owns and a bunch of stuff that will appeal to individuals. Like the FPS-load on PS3 or 360 or the minigame shit-piles on Wii, goddamn system fanboy bulshit gotta stop.
@Snaileb, fuck the Wii? Fuck you, every system is a few must owns and a bunch of stuff that will appeal to individuals. Like the FPS-load on PS3 or 360 or the minigame shit-piles on Wii, goddamn system fanboy bulshit gotta stop.
I agree with soul3150-stop the fanboy crap and recognize the positives in each system-I mean after all dont we like "GAMES" not companies? Or maybe we should call ourselves corporationers instead of gamers. As far as I see it with the 3 consoles-I own a few great games on the ps3, 360, and wii-the rest are not my style-but they are somebody elses so lighten up. We are not talking religion and politics-games are only games-have fun and stop the fanboyism-especially you reviewers. Its gets frickin old and predictable. We already know the spin and transparency the article will have based on the reviewer.
I agree with soul3150-stop the fanboy crap and recognize the positives in each system-I mean after all dont we like "GAMES" not companies? Or maybe we should call ourselves corporationers instead of gamers. As far as I see it with the 3 consoles-I own a few great games on the ps3, 360, and wii-the rest are not my style-but they are somebody elses so lighten up. We are not talking religion and politics-games are only games-have fun and stop the fanboyism-especially you reviewers. Its gets frickin old and predictable. We already know the spin and transparency the article will have based on the reviewer.
I agree with soul3150-stop the fanboy crap and recognize the positives in each system-I mean after all dont we like "GAMES" not companies? Or maybe we should call ourselves corporationers instead of gamers. As far as I see it with the 3 consoles-I own a few great games on the ps3, 360, and wii-the rest are not my style-but they are somebody elses so lighten up. We are not talking religion and politics-games are only games-have fun and stop the fanboyism-especially you reviewers. Its gets frickin old and predictable. We already know the spin and transparency the article will have based on the reviewer.
Before I jump HexFix's ass, I wanted to hammer this VC point home from some other ninny who thinks it's a ripoff.
I LIKE TO PLAY NINTENDO'S OLD GAMES ON MY TV. WITH A CONTROLLER.
You can have your damn roms on your 24" flatscreen LCD on your PC, but I like playing 480p Super Mario Bros on my 60" HDTV.
It's worth the $5 to me. If you don't wanna spend it, play your goddamn ROMs. I don't care, but don't act like Nintendo's forced you to ROM's out of overpricing or some stupid bullshit. It's there for people who want them.
@Hexfix
I'm glad you use your PS3 regularly. I use mine regularly too. 'cept I turn mine off at night. It's expensive to run that thing 24/7 and the time involved in turning it on and off isn't a deal breaker.
What's with this constant unproven and fictional belief that the PS3 has this almighty trump card in the wings? Is it HOME? Little Big Planet? MGS4? Lost Planet? Please illuminate me...
Halo 3 was about the only game I've seen in the last year that could stand to be a system seller, and it was since several of my friends who were Halo 2 nuts held off on upgrading till Halo 3 came out. I haven't heard the same echo for Rachet and Clank, Killzone, or even Mario Galaxy.
So you don't like Wii 3rd party games. Big fuckin' deal. The Wii isn't for you. Don't bitch about it.
RROD, what kind of killer is the RROD, honestly? MS repairs your system for free. Replaces it in a week. Sony did the same thing with the PS2 when they had disc read errors, and the same thing when the PSX had overheating issues.
And what feature is the 360 lacking to the PS3?
Media streaming: check
Games: check
Online community: check
Addictive achievement system: check (once Sony adopts it, you'll wonder how you lived without it...)
online chat: Check
downloadable content: check
Downloadable television/music/movies: err.... Yeah... Sorry. Okay, the PS3 doesn't have EVERYTHING, but neither does the 360.
For the additional investment of $180 over the list price, you get the same additional features as the PS3. Big fuckin' deal.
So, what features are missing?
Aside from a large assortment of games on the PS3?
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GOD save the video game industry. Nintendo is ruining it, everything under the sun is getting a game for it now like the atari 2600. And we all know how that ended.
Okay Hex?
STFU! If you're going to drag the fall of the gaming industry in the 80's and compare it to the 2600's reasons for failure, you need to know why it failed back then. I won't get into it, but you're wrong in your assessment. Wrong like a catholic priest who eats babies.
Simply put, the gaming industry collapsed in the 80's because the companies who had the money had no idea how to make games. And there were so few developers who had to work on these games, that quality title or not, this was all they had they could work on.
So, if that worked out to today's standards, there'd only be... 4 game companies sustaining an entire industry (all consoles, phones, PC, mac, anyplace you see a game, etc.) This isn't the case. There are THOUSANDS of game developers working on titles. There are MANY people making shitty games, but the quality ones are more than enough to sustain and protect against this pretend situation you predict to occur.
You'll note that Purina doesn't have a game coming out for the Wii.
I LIKE TO PLAY NINTENDO'S OLD GAMES ON MY TV. WITH A CONTROLLER.
You can have your damn roms on your 24" flatscreen LCD on your PC, but I like playing 480p Super Mario Bros on my 60" HDTV.
It's worth the $5 to me. If you don't wanna spend it, play your goddamn ROMs. I don't care, but don't act like Nintendo's forced you to ROM's out of overpricing or some stupid bullshit. It's there for people who want them.
@Hexfix
I'm glad you use your PS3 regularly. I use mine regularly too. 'cept I turn mine off at night. It's expensive to run that thing 24/7 and the time involved in turning it on and off isn't a deal breaker.
What's with this constant unproven and fictional belief that the PS3 has this almighty trump card in the wings? Is it HOME? Little Big Planet? MGS4? Lost Planet? Please illuminate me...
Halo 3 was about the only game I've seen in the last year that could stand to be a system seller, and it was since several of my friends who were Halo 2 nuts held off on upgrading till Halo 3 came out. I haven't heard the same echo for Rachet and Clank, Killzone, or even Mario Galaxy.
So you don't like Wii 3rd party games. Big fuckin' deal. The Wii isn't for you. Don't bitch about it.
RROD, what kind of killer is the RROD, honestly? MS repairs your system for free. Replaces it in a week. Sony did the same thing with the PS2 when they had disc read errors, and the same thing when the PSX had overheating issues.
And what feature is the 360 lacking to the PS3?
Media streaming: check
Games: check
Online community: check
Addictive achievement system: check (once Sony adopts it, you'll wonder how you lived without it...)
online chat: Check
downloadable content: check
Downloadable television/music/movies: err.... Yeah... Sorry. Okay, the PS3 doesn't have EVERYTHING, but neither does the 360.
For the additional investment of $180 over the list price, you get the same additional features as the PS3. Big fuckin' deal.
So, what features are missing?
Aside from a large assortment of games on the PS3?
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GOD save the video game industry. Nintendo is ruining it, everything under the sun is getting a game for it now like the atari 2600. And we all know how that ended.
Okay Hex?
STFU! If you're going to drag the fall of the gaming industry in the 80's and compare it to the 2600's reasons for failure, you need to know why it failed back then. I won't get into it, but you're wrong in your assessment. Wrong like a catholic priest who eats babies.
Simply put, the gaming industry collapsed in the 80's because the companies who had the money had no idea how to make games. And there were so few developers who had to work on these games, that quality title or not, this was all they had they could work on.
So, if that worked out to today's standards, there'd only be... 4 game companies sustaining an entire industry (all consoles, phones, PC, mac, anyplace you see a game, etc.) This isn't the case. There are THOUSANDS of game developers working on titles. There are MANY people making shitty games, but the quality ones are more than enough to sustain and protect against this pretend situation you predict to occur.
You'll note that Purina doesn't have a game coming out for the Wii.
This isn't being smug, this is simply making a credible statement about an unsustainable business model of "bigger means better".
I too, can't see how Sony and to a lesser extent Microsoft can continue with their current approach, what happens next? The next consoles from those companies have to be digital media solutions, game machines and high end HD DVD players, whilst at the same time, games have to be created from the ground up to showcase these consoles which were designed to specifically showcase hardware specs, I think this is unsustainable for the home console market, and I think anyone with any experience working in the games industry has similar concerns. Essentially, Sony and Microsoft are trying to make the home console market a tech fest like the PC market.
I think Reggie is right, and is making these statements in a far from smug tone. I don't understand why has Jim put his weird propaganda spin on it? Attention whore?
I too, can't see how Sony and to a lesser extent Microsoft can continue with their current approach, what happens next? The next consoles from those companies have to be digital media solutions, game machines and high end HD DVD players, whilst at the same time, games have to be created from the ground up to showcase these consoles which were designed to specifically showcase hardware specs, I think this is unsustainable for the home console market, and I think anyone with any experience working in the games industry has similar concerns. Essentially, Sony and Microsoft are trying to make the home console market a tech fest like the PC market.
I think Reggie is right, and is making these statements in a far from smug tone. I don't understand why has Jim put his weird propaganda spin on it? Attention whore?
I also say FUCK THE WII!
Why I like my 360 and PS3:
They have more utility
Thay have classic controllers
They are more powerful systems (which I do believe is important, not only for graphics either)
They have HD graphics (not blurtastic on my TV)
The online component on the Wii is pretty lacking.
I don't have a problem with the Wii, if you enjoy it then by all means go for it. I just much prefer my other consoles. ;)
Why I like my 360 and PS3:
They have more utility
Thay have classic controllers
They are more powerful systems (which I do believe is important, not only for graphics either)
They have HD graphics (not blurtastic on my TV)
The online component on the Wii is pretty lacking.
I don't have a problem with the Wii, if you enjoy it then by all means go for it. I just much prefer my other consoles. ;)
Damd, dvddesign, I like the cut of your gib.
Also, gamersonlygames, don't apologize, I like 3 times the kudos.
Also, gamersonlygames, don't apologize, I like 3 times the kudos.
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