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The wii u becomes less desireable with every waking day, and every response that comes from nintendo and reggie, for that matter..
I was on the day 1 bandwagon for it, but now I'm not so sure.. gonna wait and see how the details iron out..
I was on the day 1 bandwagon for it, but now I'm not so sure.. gonna wait and see how the details iron out..
No cheevos? Even though Microsoft, Sony, Apple, and Valve all offer an achievement system? You're a bold kid, Nintendo.
As for the Friend Codes thing... if they're so different, why call them Friend Codes? I assume that name carries negative connotations with "hardcore" Nintendo gamers. Why not call the new system Buddy Digits or something?
As for the Friend Codes thing... if they're so different, why call them Friend Codes? I assume that name carries negative connotations with "hardcore" Nintendo gamers. Why not call the new system Buddy Digits or something?
Hey! I'm 1234-4321-5678!
Woah! I'm 4567-8901-2345!
No way! I'm friends with 5678-1234-5690!
I'm not anymore, I hooked up with 0098-1234-5632 and 5678-1234-5690 got mad at me.
That's okay, man, you should meet 1123-5665-0998!
Woah! I'm 4567-8901-2345!
No way! I'm friends with 5678-1234-5690!
I'm not anymore, I hooked up with 0098-1234-5632 and 5678-1234-5690 got mad at me.
That's okay, man, you should meet 1123-5665-0998!
If Nintendo were completely awesome, they'd release a system that would have a virtual Reggie that would talk to you (ask how your day was, give you news and weather updates) every time you booted up and briefly introduced every game you played. He would be the new Mario, except more talkative.
Ugg, the friend code system will never not be terrible, here I thought the idea of the Nintendo Network was to get people to have a gamertag like system that you could be identified with.
Huh, that's funny the way I read it ws that it is having a system wide achievement system, and it'll just be the choiuce of the 3rd party devs if they want in or not. Maybe I've misread it. I've quoted it below:
"System-Level Achievements
Some of Nintendo's top game designers don't want to put Achievements in their games, but Nintendo has put an Achievement-like system in the 3DS, mostly to reward people for feats involving the system's Street Pass networking system. In other words, the system itself has Achievements. "We will have that," Fils-Aime said. "Once you start getting into game-specific [Achievements] that's developer driven." Microsoft may require every game to have Achievements, but, Fils-Aime said, "That is not our philosophy."
"System-Level Achievements
Some of Nintendo's top game designers don't want to put Achievements in their games, but Nintendo has put an Achievement-like system in the 3DS, mostly to reward people for feats involving the system's Street Pass networking system. In other words, the system itself has Achievements. "We will have that," Fils-Aime said. "Once you start getting into game-specific [Achievements] that's developer driven." Microsoft may require every game to have Achievements, but, Fils-Aime said, "That is not our philosophy."
I see why Nintendo wants to do this.
Go play a game on Xbox live and I bet you get called a derogative in your adventures at some point.
I'll reserve my opinions till after I see the system at work.
Go play a game on Xbox live and I bet you get called a derogative in your adventures at some point.
I'll reserve my opinions till after I see the system at work.
"Also, while separate games may have their own achievement program, the possibility of Nintendo including a universal system-wide system is "not our philosophy..."
So, basically, Steam...
So, basically, Steam...
@El Conrado
Nah. Steam has it's own achievement system, even though not all games on there use it. I think what he meant is that the games might have systems similar to achievements (like "Merits" in Super Scribblenauts, for example), but you won't have that integrated with your "account", assuming there is one. So basically, no achievements, I think.
Nah. Steam has it's own achievement system, even though not all games on there use it. I think what he meant is that the games might have systems similar to achievements (like "Merits" in Super Scribblenauts, for example), but you won't have that integrated with your "account", assuming there is one. So basically, no achievements, I think.
I prefer achievements be internal to a game than external to an online service. Trophy integration into Vita caused more headaches than it added benefits.
Game specific achievements tend to be more rewarding as many devs use ithem to unlock new content or items, like Phantasy Star Portable 2 did on PSP.
Game specific achievements tend to be more rewarding as many devs use ithem to unlock new content or items, like Phantasy Star Portable 2 did on PSP.
@Noir Trilby
You're right. So the Wii U will have an achievement system after all. Once again Destructoid dropped the ball on reporting news...
You're right. So the Wii U will have an achievement system after all. Once again Destructoid dropped the ball on reporting news...
"not our philosophy." So they're more interested in separating themselves from Sony and MS then giving the gamers what we've been asking for. I liked Nintendo better when Yamauchi ran it. At least his philosophy had charming old-man-set-in-his-ways stubbornness. This is just inexcusable.
@Script
I said "universally required console-wide system". Nothing is known right now in regards to a full on system-wide achievement system. Read the statement again:
"Nintendo has put an Achievement-like system in the 3DS, mostly to reward people for feats involving the system's Street Pass networking system. In other words, the system itself has Achievements. We will have that."
The 3DS is not a *true* achievement system, like MS and Sony, where you can view your streetpass Mii and see a numerical value in regards to your system-wide achievements through *all* games -- you have to go into *each* game and view your achievements (ie Resident Evil Revelations). The "Accomplishment" system is basically a smaller version of this as well, and has no wide software support.
"In other words" implies that while the system technically *has* achievements, they may not work "console-wide", as I stated above. Honestly, that's all people care about. We'll have to wait and see.
I said "universally required console-wide system". Nothing is known right now in regards to a full on system-wide achievement system. Read the statement again:
"Nintendo has put an Achievement-like system in the 3DS, mostly to reward people for feats involving the system's Street Pass networking system. In other words, the system itself has Achievements. We will have that."
The 3DS is not a *true* achievement system, like MS and Sony, where you can view your streetpass Mii and see a numerical value in regards to your system-wide achievements through *all* games -- you have to go into *each* game and view your achievements (ie Resident Evil Revelations). The "Accomplishment" system is basically a smaller version of this as well, and has no wide software support.
"In other words" implies that while the system technically *has* achievements, they may not work "console-wide", as I stated above. Honestly, that's all people care about. We'll have to wait and see.
Friend codes, and no word on cross game, party, or even just simple in game voice chat.
Once again I will not be using Nintendo's console for online play.
The achievements I don't really care about though. I never understood the appeal there.
Once again I will not be using Nintendo's console for online play.
The achievements I don't really care about though. I never understood the appeal there.
I think they're philosophy really is just to be willfully contrary. That's the only explanation for friend codes.
Oh, and if you think that using something like Gamertags means you'll need to enter "xxxxxBlazin420xxxxxx" you need to get some better friends.
Oh, and if you think that using something like Gamertags means you'll need to enter "xxxxxBlazin420xxxxxx" you need to get some better friends.
He said that those dissatisfied with FC will like the new SYSTEM. He was pretty careful to not say anything about requiring a code or password throughout the statements he made.
Perhaps he is referring to a friends list.
As for Achievements, forcing games to incorporate them is worse than allowing choice on the matter.
This forcing of trophies is allegedly why MHp3rd HD was held back in the US.
Perhaps he is referring to a friends list.
As for Achievements, forcing games to incorporate them is worse than allowing choice on the matter.
This forcing of trophies is allegedly why MHp3rd HD was held back in the US.
@Magnalon
If I recall correctly you said something slightly different originally... But in any case, it is unclear how this will work exactly. I don't have a 3DS so I didn't know exactly how they implemented it. So yeah, we will have to wait for more information to know how it works.
If I recall correctly you said something slightly different originally... But in any case, it is unclear how this will work exactly. I don't have a 3DS so I didn't know exactly how they implemented it. So yeah, we will have to wait for more information to know how it works.
@Chris Carter
Whoops, sorry man, I definately misread that. My bad. I thought system wide achievements meant that it would permeate all games.
Whoops, sorry man, I definately misread that. My bad. I thought system wide achievements meant that it would permeate all games.
Friend codes still. Unless massive changes were made to the system in counting Nintendo out for my online needs.
I feel nintendo clearly has no clue as to what they're doing this generation. The wii U is still conceptual, how their community will work is still all conceptual. Nothing seems definite. All these answers they are giving out to the press seems like ideas they'd like to happen, but we'll have to see what comes true and what doesn't. I dont have much confidence in nintendo at this point.
As Silent Protagonist has already said, friend codes on 3ds are free of hassle. It's not like the Wii where every game has its own code. You enter someones friend code once, and that's it. The only difference between a friend code and a gamertag is that a string of numbers isn't as easy to remember as a name. But realistically, I'm not going to remember how many x's, numbers in place of letters, and other random special characters a gamertag has.
I like how he said that fans will be "happier with the new system." It would seem that Reggie understands that being "happier" with something does not equate to being happy with it.
The 3DS friend system is all right, but I have to tell someone I've added them and send them my code outside the system before they know what happened.
It's not that much trouble for it to work like facebook friend requests, so I don't see why it can't. I think it has everything to do with NoA's insistence on censorship and protecting the few children who think Nintendo is cool.
It's not that much trouble for it to work like facebook friend requests, so I don't see why it can't. I think it has everything to do with NoA's insistence on censorship and protecting the few children who think Nintendo is cool.
Why use a number instead of a name? Just to be different? Microsoft and Sony invented this wheel. There's no need to make it square just to be different.
I've yet to hear anyone give a significant benefit of the friend code. If it's privacy related, at least let people opt in to use a non-numeric identifier.
This stubborn, "we'll do it our own, backwards way" attitude is what really makes want to see Nintendo pack it in for good sometimes.
I've yet to hear anyone give a significant benefit of the friend code. If it's privacy related, at least let people opt in to use a non-numeric identifier.
This stubborn, "we'll do it our own, backwards way" attitude is what really makes want to see Nintendo pack it in for good sometimes.
"Trophy integration into Vita caused more headaches than it added benefits"
It cause no headaches whatsoever. Don't be stupid. Its identical to ps3s system
It cause no headaches whatsoever. Don't be stupid. Its identical to ps3s system
Nintendo continues to stubbornly hesitate at each opportunity to really do something great. I'm sure we'll continue to have an uphill battle with third-party support and continue to be denied localization based on Reggie's own personal tastes.
I want off this ride.
I want off this ride.
why even have codes. if you want to be someones friend, ask their screen name and add them? why do you need a code instead isnt a screen name just as do able? if you dont want to be their friend deny or block them. nintendo is stuck in a stupid loop of past ignorance
I'm holding the line that even this late in the game Nintendo doesn't really know where the Wii-U is going, or needs to be. Stuff like this just proves how lost they still are.
It may not kill them, but it certainly isn't making them stronger.
I know they get a lot of news first (specially around this time of year) but seeing "via Kotaku" on so many articles just makes me cringe.
It may not kill them, but it certainly isn't making them stronger.
I know they get a lot of news first (specially around this time of year) but seeing "via Kotaku" on so many articles just makes me cringe.
Achievements are just cum shots, to see who can shoot farther or bigger than the next person. Competition is fine, but there is something to be said for reducing gameplay to simple numbers, because even though they can sometimes add replay value... they can also deter it.
as for the friend codes, if they manage to simplify and streamline it then it could work.
as for the friend codes, if they manage to simplify and streamline it then it could work.
The fact that the Wii U won't have a universal Achievement system is the best news I've heard about the system so far. Achievements/Trophies only serve two purposes: To lock save data and make it harder (or impossible) to transfer, and to make gamers' non-existent penises look bigger to people they'll never meet.
I find it incredibly ironic that the only worthwhile Achievement system this generation was found in Metroid Prime 3/Trilogy.
I find it incredibly ironic that the only worthwhile Achievement system this generation was found in Metroid Prime 3/Trilogy.
We should make a petition. Like they did with ME3, which IMO was dumb, but I'd totally get behind this.
Then buying crappy ass Nintendo products still marketed towards toddlers and nostalgic man children is not in MY philosophy. Reggie, have fun bankrupting Nintendo.
@Silent Protagonist: " Trophy integration into Vita caused more headaches than it added benefits. "
Are you insane? WHAT headaches? It was seamless and working fine on day 1.
Are you insane? WHAT headaches? It was seamless and working fine on day 1.
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