Pre-order bonuses are a express ticket to a no-buy for me.

Anyone else bothered by the fact that publishers are punishing customers for actually *waiting* to see the quality of the product before throwing their money away?

There's a point where this needs to stop and we're well past it.

guerilla was enjoyable...not 60 dollars plus tax enjoyable, mind you...think ill wait for a price drop on this one...and until my backlog and this years must haves are completed as well...so that should put this on the schedule sometime in 2013

@kanten; i agree but this pre order jazz isnt going anywhere..as long as people are willing to throw down and "reserve" something that will be available pretty much everywhere, publishers are going to continue to offer worthless digital garbage as "incentive"...its gotten way out of control, but why would they stop? the idea behind reserving something with such abundance is ludicrous...worthless dlc incentives or not

@Kanten
Getting a free game that's a $10 value is one heck of a deal for me.

Steam is also giving away a copy of Guerilla if you preorder... just saying, probably the most substantial of the bonuses.

Meanwhile Steam gives a free copy of Guerrilla.
And since I already have it and Armageddon doesn't look that special so far, it'll be a sale grab for me.

Steam gives out Red Faction Guerilla with a preorder of armageddon

Guerrilla was awesome, and I loved the multiplayer. With that said, I'm cheap and not 100% sold that the sequel will be awesome, so I'll wait for the reviews and the price to drop. There are still so many games I've yet to play.

Ya know, Volition games always get downplayed, then they come out and gamers fall in love. It's a neverending cycle. I feel pretty confident in their ability to deliver on a very good game with Armageddon.

Most of the time THQ's retailer bonuses are just codes that unlock stuff like in Saint' Row 2(the helicopter, the mini-bike, the flying saucer) or Darksiders (the boosted reaper scythe) and those codes are usually posted on the internet so anyone can use them, usually as a cheat that interferes with achievements/trophy's.

Free game comics are almost always terrible. I got the version of Singularity with the comic (it was cheaper than the one without the comic when Amazon was dumping them) and boy, that comic was a total waste of time.

Getting a free code for Battlegrounds sounds nice though.

I tend to look at preorder incentives as a reward to consumers willing to trust in the developers on Day 1. This is why I get so offended when my "bonus" for showing loyalty is simply a meaningless digital trinket that others who didn't support the game from the start like I did will eventually get their hands on as well.

I do like the Battlegrounds giveaway bonus. If I decide I'm going to buy this Day 1 why wouldn't I want an extra game technically from the same IP.

@Kanten & Salamagogo
You guys are forgetting to take in consideration the folks that use pre-orders as a means to pay for games incrementally, or on conjunction with trade ins to not have to shell out $60. That shit adds up when you have bills and tuition. As far as calling it "punishment" that's just taking it personally for no reason. It's an incentive to get preorders, which are pretty much guaranteed sales. Why is that bad? In a market saturated with sub par games that's being narrated by biased reviews and self entitled fan-boy smearing, it's simple marketing practice, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I liked the first Red Faction. Destroying your environment was so new and exciting, I would just bash everything! But sadly I could never give Guerrilla more than 30 minutes without closing it/leaving it. After the first little area I felt it became confusing. Let most, I'll wait for a Steam sale to convince me of this one.

Yeah, so Kanten pretty much nailed it.

I'm still not sure I want this or need it. It looks too much like the last game and I doubt they listened to any of the complaints regarding the last game either. They have done nothing to instill faith in me regarding a series that has become some mass manufactured BS to appease anyone looking for generic gaming and a gimmick for destruction. I realize the series has always had the gimmick for destruction, however, it was done with some intelligence when first instated and slowly became just an excuse to make a game based on little more than the name Red Faction.

After the first game, I expected all FPS and shooters to have destructible environs. I am sad to see how that tech was not utilized to it's fullest and still struggles to be implemented in gaming today. The engine used by DICE games is neat, the engine used in the Force Unleashed games looked best. So at least it seems to be coming back, but not quickly enough.

wtf is that monster

I'll wait a week before making my decision.