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Rebellion talks AvP sequel and 'totally sh*t' reviews photo

Despite the mixed opinions surrounding Aliens vs. Predator, Rebellion is rather pleased with itself. The game debuted at number one in the United Kingdom, and the team is already in talks to develop a sequel. As far as the critical performance goes, studio head Jason Kingsley has swept the bad reviews under the carpet, claiming that the bad ones were "totally sh*t."

"We wanted Aliens vs. Predator to be a critical success as well as a commercial success," beams Kingsley, "which we think we have achieved. The reviews have been mostly good. We’ve had three totally shit reviews by some Americans, which is a bit odd. Some of them were inexcusably bad. If you discount those poor reviews AvP is averaging high for us."

You can't fault that logic: If you ignore all the bad things people are saying, only good things have been said!

As far as a sequel is concerned, Rebellion is in talks: "We’re also in discussions with Sega about ongoing support for AvP, and also about a sequel to the game. I won’t say what stage those negotiations are in, but we would love to revisit the franchise. Fox are excited about what we’re doing, and we feel we’ve added value to the franchise."

It's safe to say that AvP disappointed me, as my review plainly shows. The sad part is that the game was full of stuff that could have been fixed with a little more care and attention. The core gameplay was terrific, but it was shoddily put together. In light of that, I feel a bit insulted that Rebellion is beaming about its success and choosing to ignore the bad reviews. Still, I guess he who ends the game with the most money wins. Congratulations on your victory, Rebellion.

Rebellion elated with AvP success, wants sequel [Develop]








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Evergreen's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:04
Evergreen
Review scores are social constructions that marginalize shitty games.
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:05
Klarden
What could've been? The budget could've been spent on Obsidian's Alien RPG and Gearbox's Colonial Marines, though the latter will hopefully soon arrive anyway
i mean, i could just say "obsidian and gearbox" and then "rebellion" and asked which one sounds like "quality"/ i'm not Sega, though
LsTr Of SmG's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:06
LsTr Of SmG
At least this means the parts you were disappointed with can be polished up for the now inevitable follow up. Admittedly these are things that should have been polished in the first place but hey, that's what sequels are for.

Discounting bad reviews for being bad is retarded, though. Such reviews should grab the attention of developers and highlight areas that need improvement. Such reviews should never be discounted if they cite areas for improvement.
runtheplacered's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:09
runtheplacered
I dunno. I like this AvP game. It's really grown on me. I realize it's a little rough around the edges, but I still find myself enjoying it quite a bit. I welcome a sequel.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:09
EternalDeathSlayer
What an asshole. I assume he is referring to the Jeff Gertsmann review and the 1up reviews, which gave it really low scores.

They're not bad reviews. They're someone's opinion and they're also generally well written.
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:11
jawshoeuh
lousy Americans and their shit reviews!
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:12
Aurain
What he means by Bad Review is Amateurish journalism.
Not Bad Scores.
2 of those "Bad reviews" are definitely Game Informer and Gamespot.

I can't think what the other one is that he's talking about. But there were more than 3 bad reviews, even excluding the ones he's "Discounting".

It's a good game, Not amazing, but not as bad as some people are making out.
Everyone is expecting Uncharted 2 level of brilliance with every game now. Which is a totally unreasonable expectation. So when games don't come close, people get steamed.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:13
Occams electric toothbrush
I dont play online so I cant rate that but the single player experience was boring.

Glad I borrowed it from a friend.
ZethUK's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:13
ZethUK
I've been enjoying avp although I agree there are many things that could have been done better. I'd very much like a sequal, maybe then they can improve a good game into a great one.
Uber Mashu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:17
Uber Mashu
I bought AVP day one. I will not make that same mistake with the sequel.
Naktu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:17
Naktu
I'd wager that, since they're mostly discounting American reviews, and those seem to gripe about laggy and terrible matchmaking, the matchmaking servers are based in UK, so UK players are going to end up with a better service.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:18
the7k
It's good that they're totally ignoring the bad reviews - it means that they'll learn from their mistakes and make the sequel a really great game.

Oh wait - no. It means that history will repeat itself, and AvP2 will be no better than AvP1.

Granted, I haven't played AvP and can't form an opinion of it, but ignoring or flat-out dismissing criticism is not exactly a healthy attitude.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:19
DinnertimeNinja
Yeah, judging by SCORES, I can't tell you which reviews this guy is talking about.

I mean, there's one 4, and a half dozen in the 5-6 range.

PLENTY of people thought this game was pretty crappy. Over a third of reviewers thought this game was a 6 or lower. That's a group of people trying to tell you something there.

Even looking at GameSpots 5.5, I agree with everything they're saying.

And if you wanna talk multiplayer, releasing a game WITHOUT host migration is utterly inexcusable.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:23
Xzyliac
If he's implying the negative reviews for AvP were bad reviews because they gave AvP a bad score he needs to grow up. No matter what you will always have critics.

That said I've learned enough while hanging on DToid that quotes are always up for interpretation.
Czech Monster's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:25
Czech Monster
I like the game. Nothing like ripping someone's spine out.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:32
Maurice Tan
Just blame that Gerstman, he should get fired from GiantBomb for giving it such a low score!
bodybreak's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:38
bodybreak
I said the same thing when I read this yesterday on Kotaku, Jim. Sure if you discount all of the negative reviews then it does leave them with a critically well recieved game.

That being said; I fucking hope they fix some of the faults in the current game. I really want to love the game, but it's so hard when it takes 20 minutes to find a ranked game on the PS3... and even then there might only be 4-6 players in the game.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:40
KingSigy
So their logic is to ignore criticism, meaning the sequel will be even worse. Score!
danthuman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:43
danthuman
They looked at rogue warrior and said the same thing...than they said "oh...it's all bad reviews..."
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:45
AngelsDontBurn
I don't think the game is bad at all. Could it have been better? Fuck yeah. But I would never say it was bad. I just hope they learn from all the negatives that have been pointed out, so they can make the sequel EVEN better. I love the road they're taking, it just needs more. Plus it wouldn't hurt to see more corridor / indoor dark levels and less jungle related ones. Seems like the main focus was the predator in this game, especially with the multiplayer maps.
OWENR22's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:46
OWENR22
I'd love to see a sequel with the problems ironed out.
DarkEternal's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:48
DarkEternal
@Professor Pew

lol :)
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:48
Sexualchocolate
I've been hammering away at the demo tonight, and my decision between this and heavy rain has got difficult.

I.m gonna get both, fuck it.
sewerraccoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:52
sewerraccoon
wow, his complete lack of respect for legitimate critisism makes me want to play this a little less
Johnny Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:53
Johnny Justice
Can I have an Aliens Left 4 Dead clone instead please?
PirateGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 15:56
PirateGuy
I really don't care about a sequel, I just want Colonial Marines already. :/
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:00
fetusmilk
damn im still very on the fence about this game. but with god of war 3 and BC2 and yakuza3 coming out soon i think i can skip it.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:01
Cowboy TTop
A bit arrogant, guys. All reviews should be read, so you understand the good and bad points of your game. In a global market, it doesn't help your cause to discount the ones you don't like as much.

Talk of a sequel, already? I still think a game with three different characters like this is a bad idea. Focus a game on one species, then you'll have something more credible and fleshed out. The relyance on the first game AvP template, has its good and bad points.

On a brighter side, this bodes well for the game we really want, Colonial Marines. After Borderlands, Gearbox are on a sweet creative high, and I have confidence in them delivering the goods.
CormactheMac87's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:05
CormactheMac87
Come on what do you expect the guy to say. His game is just after coming out, do you expect him to say, o yeah our game got shit scores and it turns out is isnt that great. He is paid to talk up his game
TheRemix's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:12
TheRemix
Aliens Vs. Predator 2...2?
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:16
Retrofraction
IDK Jim I think that you need to take it a little easy on the guy.

mean yeah sure they are not listening to constructive criticism and stuff like that but they after all do have the #1 game in the UK which is a big feat.

I seance that you are really angery at these guys cause you didn't get what you wanted from them and now you are using the internet to rant about how stupid they are.

even though I am causing you to get paid, I would like to point out that your sort of being an @$$

my question, When was the last time that you had the number one selling game in the UK?
Triple C's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:24
Triple C
That doesn't sound very good. Considering that they are ignoring bad reviews, I wouldn't be surprised to see the same problems resurface in a sequel. That would be a very bad thing, especially considering how broken the game seems at times. Hell, I clipped outside of the first marine stage and fell to my death. Don't try to board the elevator at the marine camp while being attacked by an alien, you will die!
CrimsonDusk's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:25
CrimsonDusk
Yes the game had allot of potential, some pretty well executed elements and the franchise in itself has great potential, maybe in other teams hands or if Rebellion gets their act together. The truth is only one, it worked for them once but I think if they don't change the engine, the gameplay and some mechanics they will fail really hard.
Primee133's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:25
Primee133
I'm happy they're looking into another sequel. Learning through their mistakes could be applied well, and they could vastly improve on the game like what Ubisoft did with Assassin's Creed 2, unlike what some reviewers think. Or just one.
Saha's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:31
Saha
well.... i feel happy for rebellion. I really like this game but i hope they patch it up soon. And perhaps some dlcs with the maps from avp 99.
Hemogoblin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:50
Hemogoblin
A sequel would be really cool, once they finish making the one that's just come out.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 16:53
Airbr1dge
Whenever a developer comments on review scores they don't directly address scores, or issues told in reviews, or how much the game sucked. Sometimes they have outright denied the game sucking.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 17:14
StingingVelvet
I pretty much agree with him, honestly. The reviews have been relatively high compared to IGN and Gamespot, who I am sure he is referencing with his totally shit comment.

I loved the Marine campaign, the Alien campaign seems great as well so far.
DGX Goggles's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 17:32
DGX Goggles
So is he going to be getting on that patch anytime soon, now that I've bought the game, or am I going to have to trade this in and boycott the next one? Smug little asshat should have at least given some consideration to the negative reviews.
-Ghost-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 17:34
-Ghost-
The reviews this game has gotten has pretty much put me off from using Metacritic anymore. It's just completely off, I think. The game has issues, yeah, but it's a decent game, there's nothing outright wrong with it. I don't think it deserves the low 60's rating it's been getting. If you look at just the score distribution the reviews mostly aren't that bad, 70+. What they need to use is the median score, because that ignores the inflated, high scores, and the horribly low scores (this game is not a 25/100, 1UP). If you read a lot of the reviews they don't really cover anything important, I remember a few that complained about there being too many Aliens in the Marine campaign. :/
Cortes121's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 17:35
Cortes121
I hope they make a sequel as fast as they can and drop the first AVP's support.
Infininja's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 18:07
Infininja
I got an ad in the mail from an insurance company, claiming people saved an average of $xxx by switching to them. When you follow the asterik it lets you know that average amount only counts people that actually saved money by switching.
Mousse420's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 18:11
Mousse420
I got to really sit down and play AvP for the first time last night. Played all night, and never encountered any of the lag or matchmaking problems Jim described. I actually considered his to be the most competently written of the ones I read (DToid, 1up, Gamspot and IGN), and he actually had me convinced AvP might really not be any good, assuming what he said about the horrible lag and connection issues was true. For me however, it was not, and I quite enjoyed the game. I agree, I hate the idea of it not having host migration, however I did not encounter it my whole night of playing, so I was able to enjoy myself and that's all that matters. If it happened once in a while, I wouldn't cry about it as long as the overall experience was enjoyable. I personally just care about having fun, I couldn't really care less if I lose some XP, and I could probably connect to a new game and be biting off ppl's faces in another 30 seconds.

I thought the 1up review was terribly written, it's only about half a page long, it doesn't even mention basic things like graphics, and what's there is incoherent. I think the length & incompleteness might be due to the more horrible inaccurate and badly written parts being edited out later. It was one of those that sounds like he barely bothered to play the game before reviewing; for instance, he didn't even know about being able to turn on auto surface switching for the alien in the options, which would have fixed a problem he complained about & took off points for. He also complained quite a bit about the "fatality"animations repeating etc.... This would be like someone complaining about Gears of War because they chose to do nothing but spam the chainsaw the whole game. Talk about repetitive animations, that would be the same one over and over, as opposed to AvP's wide variety.

The IGN and GameSpot reviews were more competently written than 1up's but I still don't agree with many of their complaints - They called the graphics terrible, and I don't see that at all. I played all night with no frame rate issues, and i think the detail & design is awesome. They also complained about the game simply not being Modern Warfare i.e. not having "progression" in multiplayer (perks). They also called the level design awful - it's not as good as MW2 but that doesn't make it terrible. The maps could perhaps have been a little more exciting and inspired but to call them TERRIBLE is I think going too far.
Mousse420's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 18:29
Mousse420
I'd also like to point out that ALL the above mentioned reviews refer reverently to the original AvP, despite the fact that it received equal criticism in it's day, was quite flawed, and imo was inferior in just about every way, rose-colored glasses aside.

I admit, the number of multiplayer maps is disappointing, and I wouldn't even mind seeing some more impressively designed. The addition of dedicated servers and host-migration would be great too, but I will still get enjoyment out of it. Scores like the ones this game have been getting should be reserved for crap with no redeeming value. not games that are flawed but still fun.
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 20:02
garethxxgod
When you expect a studio to put out a sequel you instantly think of all the upgrades and tweaks to gameplay and gameplay options you'll be getting.

For AvP however, one of those upgrades will be a fixed multiplayer. How lucky for us eh?
tvirusgetz's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 20:07
tvirusgetz
Hardgame 9/10, PSM3 91%, OXPM 90%, OPM 90%, Techdigest.TV 4/5, Empire Magazine 4/5, TheGuardian.co.uk 4/5, OXM AUS 9/10, GamesRadar 8/10, Onet.pl 8/10, Gram.pl 4/6, OXM UK 8,0/10, IGN UK 8,5/10, GI Australia 8.7/10
GamingXP.com 84%, Gamez.nl 86/100, PC Zone 82%, Seraphic Gaming 8.6/10, Gamers.AT 81%, Burn360.net 3/5, IGN US 7/10, Electricpig 3/5, OXM FR 16/20, 3DJuegos 7.8/10, Play.pr 7/10, Gamervision 7.75/10, Meristation 7.5/10, Multiplayer.it 7.2/10, Eurogamer.it 7/10, PC Powerplay 7/10, Jeuxactu.com 7/10, Games.Tiscali 7/10, Everyeye.it 7.5/10
Bit-Tech 7/10, Polymania 3+/6, TeamXbox.com 6/10, Actiontrip 6.1/10, Original Gamer 6.5/10, PS3bloggen.se 60/100
GameReactor 6/10, Gamespot 5.5/10,Game Informer 5.75/10, Gamespy 2.5/5, Fz.se 2/5
annnd there
ArgentR's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 20:08
ArgentR
Way to put your head in the sand.

To be fair, considering the other crap Rebellion has squeezed out in recent years, he's probably correct when he says "AvP is averaging high for us."
Skagzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 21:50
Skagzilla
I'm actually glad to hear we're getting a sequel. I HOPE (the developer's blinders dismay me somewhat) that they'll be able to fix all the little things and make a truly excellent game.
pentimento's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/23/2010 23:22
pentimento
Unless your game is absolutely beyond reproach, which so far hasn't been true of any creative work in any medium ever, it is never a good idea to ignore criticism. How can he expect to improve on the game if he's not willing to listen? Why even bother doing a sequel.

Although this does explain a lot of the game's issues. Kingsley: "Well, if you ignore all the bugs, the game works 100%.Time to ship!"
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