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When N'gai Croal criticized Capcom's artistic decisions in Resident Evil 5, he boldly claimed that "nobody black worked on this game," a suggestion I found to be a little presumptuous and just a little bit prejudiced in its own right -- something I brought up when he and I argued the matter. My instinct was right, it seems, as Capcom has revealed that yes, black people did indeed work on Resident Evil 5. "There are black members in the development team. We do have staff working on the game, who are aware of the historical background and we are constantly checking these kinds of things with them," stated producer Jun Takeuchi. "We certainly didn’t anticipate the reaction. We were quite surprised. I think everyone understands that we never set out to with the intention to make anything that was racist - that was never our intention." Of course, most of RE5's critics have kept their heads down since Capcom blew their presumptions apart bit by bit, but it's always nice to feel a little vindication. That said, I expect this "controversy" to get even more ridiculous once the mainstream press get their hands on it. If Capcom wasn't prepared for the Internet's backlash, I hope they at least prepare themselves for what the reactionary American and British public can unleash.
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Yeah, the black people were the references for the character models.
When they make that KKK MMO then start talking about racism.
There's a KKK MMO in the works?
DO WANT
No fat cubans who do not speak spanish worked on this game.
I am offended.
Delay the game for a year.
Again with those racism claims?
Well, then Spanish guys should be angry for RE4, and my fellow Italian countrymen and I should be upset for pretty much every TV show in North America (lol)
seriously, there are lots of people with too much time on their hands who don't know what to do better than annoy other people with stupid arguments. What's bad is that lately those people choose to annoy especially us gamers.
"Well, then Spanish guys should be angry for RE4, and my fellow Italian countrymen and I should be upset for pretty much every TV show in North America (lol) "
This.
Pretty soon we won't be able to base any video games on any real setting.
I heard the white and hispanic "zombies" they dropped in the game for E3 had considerably worse AI than their black counterparts -- racism?
best blog title ever!
i justify playing the RE series by reminding others that some of my best friends are zombies.
I don't know what's more retarded of a statement. The fact that they defend themselves by stating they have black developers, or the fact that they "have staff working on the game, who are aware of the historical background and we are constantly checking these kinds of things with them." So, just because they are black, means they know everything there is to know about slavery? Or cotton-picking? Puh-leeze! That's like saying all Chinese people know everything about math. Or all white people know everything about meth. Heresy!
Don't get me wrong, I think this whole racist angle is bullshit from ALL sides. Let's all just shut the fuck up, and finish the goddamn game.
I'm not going to get too much into it again but N'Gai was talking EXCLUSIVELY about the first trailer and his gut reaction to it. He knows what RE is and he knows it's not racist.
If you listen to the last 1up Yours podcast he actually talks about this subject a little more and about how he actually met black people from Capcom working on the game after he made that statement. Kind of funny.
OH NO IT'S STARTING AGAIN. Funny thing is, if this "contoversy" (which was actually about the trailer, not the game) ever makes it to the mainstream media, it will probably be because blogs like this kept it alive. Laughing all the way to the bank with traffic stats in hand.
"I'm not going to get too much into it again but N'Gai was talking EXCLUSIVELY about the first trailer and his gut reaction to it. He knows what RE is and he knows it's not racist."
Well, I think implying a racist slant on something you're only giving a "first impression" on is a rather foolhardy move. I hope in the future he thinks a little further ahead before doing that. Controls, graphics, design, small character elements - okay, if you're just going on one trailer and nothing else.
Saying that Capcom "should be more sensitive" and thoroughly implying that the premise of the game is racist because black zombies get shot is something to be saved for when you actually get some time to play the game, observe the story, etc.
N'gai Croal: Race baiting. Look it up.
I don't know why Capcom feels the need to defend themselves by saying black people have worked on the game. Who the fuck cares. I don't give a shit if black people, white people, fat people, old people, midgets, mentally retarded people, or any other type of person worked on the game.
The game is set in Africa. It's pretty simple. I'm tired of the race/sex/ect. cards constantly being thrown around. Fuck everyone.
I demand to know if they had any Spanish or Eastern Europeans people working on RE4!!!!
@ Bioautographical
Well, he was talking about the imagery and the context of which people less educated about the game would have none of. For fear of spiraling back in to this discussion, I'm just going to say read my old blog about it.
This will not be sensationalized by American media, because our mainstream media outlets have already proven to be racist. They could care less if black people were being killed.
Now if it was a black guy killing pretty white children.... the shit would hit the fan my British friend.
@ Bioautobiographical: I don't think he was making a judgment on the game based on the trailer, he was talking about the trailer itself. Alas, such fine (but important) distinctions are often trampled in the rush of OMG THE PC POLICE ARE GONNA GET RESIDENT EVIL CENSORED!!!!
I don't recall ever saying a thing about "OMG RE CENSORED!" I do recall thinking people like N'Gai are thoroughly annoying and should STFUAJPG.
Much like in the Fat Princess discussion, outrage means shit anymore. True concern over racial or gender issues has all but died. We're left with this faux "everything is offensive" garbage that literally coaxes the bile from my throat.
My point exactly was that, IF there is no context to the game, all you've seen is a trailer - then any immediate reactions will amount to the braying of the ignorant. Besides, I don't buy it for a second that his only concern was how "other, less informed people" were going to react. I think the only reason it crossed his mind is because his very first instinct was that of these fabled "less informed people".
@ Bioautographical
IMAGERY, CONTEXT, BLOG.
I'll say it again: his criticism was of the trailer.
Hmmm, context, the words "Capcom", "Resident Evil", and shown at a video game press event...yep, looks like plenty of context to me.
Hey its not an episode of cops and their shooting black people, this has to be racist!
Excuse me, "context to the TRAILER".
The rest of my post still stands, verbatim.
And I'd rather post at THIS blog about it. Thank you.
So "there is no context to the TRAILER, all you've seen is a trailer"?
What GuitarAtomik said in his excellent blog.
@kagai & Bioautographical
What if you have no idea what Capcom or Resident Evil is? There is no context then. It still won't change the gut reaction of the IMAGERY. Emphasis on "IMAGERY".
I'm not saying that gives people the automatic right to rail on the game as racist because it's their fault if they don't research up on the subject beforehand. But that is NOT what N'Gai was doing. He was basically just trying to save Capcom the trouble by explaining why some people will construe it that way and that they might want to be more careful about it later (which they have).
I think its racist too. All of those mean angry black people are trying to kill that poor lonely white man.
I really like N'gai, but this shit just pissis me off. Had to go there, now I have these white zombies in game that look so out of place. Thanks Bud!
The title of this blog was made even funnier by the fact that I just watched the episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (funniest show on TV, imo) where Charlie goes on a date with a black girl to prove he's not racist to the girl at the coffee shop.
HILARIOUS.
This game is so fucking heteronormative.
Am I missing something here?
Where are the people who fight for the Zombies' rights?
I heard the zombies in RE5 don't really attack you as much as they just kinda sit around and collect welfare.
Oh joy, the RE 5 trailer discussion has been stoked again.
pwnd
LOL @ Jack
@Guitar Atomik
Who cares what the non-gaming audience thinks? They also want to find a rape scene in GTA. And think Mass Effect is hardcore porn. They are retarded and don't deserve the amount of attention we give them.
@ TheRemedy
Hey. I'm just explaining N'Gai's side since everyone automatically thinks that he thinks the game is racist. I can't blame him for giving a company advice on how to avoid a situation like the ones you mentioned.
What's all this talk about a KKK MMO?
"There are black members in the development team. We do have staff working on the game, who are aware of the historical background and we are constantly checking these kinds of things with them,"
How about the marketing team that assembled and approved the trailer? :) Regardless, I think everyone's on the same line by now that the game itself isn't pushing some racist agenda.
What Guitar Atomik said.
I wrote a blog about the trailer curfuffle myself. A couple actually, if you're interested in clicking my name and scrolling back a apge or two
This is all bollocks. At the end of the day, it's a bunch of whatever the hell programing language the Wii uses lazored onto a bit of polycarbonate that spins at whatever the hell speed Wii disks spin at.
It's not a great advertisment saying Africa and or it's inhabitants are evil or wrong for being black (and if anything is more "the plight of africa as far as desease is concerned is awful") and It shouln't be a big straw dummy to be burnt by people who belive that they are percictued but in reality are shouting at thier own shadow.
Martin Luther King, Jr. would be sick at the utter nonsence the bunch of absolute whinging that's going on about fucking pixels.
Excuse me, I'm going to go fucking import Final Fantasy 4 DS. Try and call me a racest for that.
" I'm tired of the race/sex/ect. cards constantly being thrown around. " WHAT RACE CARD?! its just comments! no one's bringing down the game or calling for change, or attempting to profit from the controversy.
How is this pulling a race card?
. . . w/e its Wednesday . . . w/e its Wednesday . . .
Well, another tiny point I would make is that Capcom is a Japanese company.
Since when were the Japanese obligated to defend themselves against black people playing the race card? They had nothing to do with slavery of black people in America. That alone should instill good faith in people that this game is just trying to tell a story that's set in Africa, and not trying to show that it's fun to shoot black people.
Blacks who play the race card have way more power than any other race that plays the race card, including Asians, and that's not right.
Also, N'Gai is an idiotic stereotype.
The funny thing about this whole issue is the level of irony. Racism is based on the principle of prejudice aka PRE JUDGING without context or effort to understand.
So basically N'Gai and everyone else is practicing prejudice, but at the same time saying that the game is prejudice.
All I have to say is practice what you preach.
Reverse racism at it's worst.
2+2 does not always = 4 in quantum physics.
A black person popping white peeps in a game is racist to blacks (due to stereotype?).
A White person popping black peeps in a game is racist to blacks (due to stereotype?).
Either way is supoosedly 'racist', regardless of the story or backround which is stupid IMHO.
I see this as reverse racism. Just because it could racist does not mean it is when you look at the context.
Just out of interest, is any black gamers actualy offended that this game set in africa means a white man is blasting a majority of black zombies (due to storyline and location). Also in GTA San Andreas where any black gamers worried they where being racistly potrayed for blasting the majority of white characters?
Both games are from oposite sides shooting each other, but which can be viewed as being racist against blacks only.... yet, tbh I do not think anyone truely thinks this is the case apart from the shit stirring mother fuckers in politics who just love a new story to try and kick off civil unrest so then they can 'try' and solve it (or say 'I told you so', when when it 'kicks off' when it was actualy them that set down the poison) and try to look a heroic.
I do not care if I am in a game as a white blasting blacks or in a game as a black blasting whites or if it is random or whatever........ Just aslong as it fits the story and scene for a specific sensible none racist reason.
Seriously 'who the fuck cares' apart from those trying to make something out of nothing simply to cause trouble?
It is set in Africa FFS, if it was set in Iceland and a white was shooting blacks then fair enough. Or set in Afrika and it was a Black shooting whites then both fair enough as they are out of context and have no reason to be that way logicaly.
Anyway, nuff said.
Anyone who thinks these games are racist are probabaly racist themself for being a tool to think so (or just attention seeking trolling mutha fuckers).
I hate the term "reverse racism". It's just racism.
Now I kindly ask all black critics to apologize... DO IT!!!!
"At the end of the day, it's a bunch of whatever the hell programing language the Wii uses lazored onto a bit of polycarbonate that spins at whatever the hell speed Wii disks spin at."
<facepalm> Let's take it even further. I mean, we're all just made of atoms. Can racism even exist at the molecular level? I think not. Therefore, it cannot exist.
What nonsense. Also, it's not a Wii game. At least not yet.
@lrgdup, Volomon
Context goes back on you since neither of you have any context on N'Gai. The man has written some of the most intelligent articles on the video game industry for Time. He is GOOD friends with the 1up staff and shows up on the 1upYours podcast practically once a month. He is constantly on the Gametrailers round table videos.
The dude is not a raving racist stereotyping guy.
You may say "Well why should I know about all that stuff. It doesn't interest me." but then you have no context on him and have no right to call him what you're calling him. Ironic huh?
Not to mention that if you think he's being racist or stereotyping you've TOTALLY misunderstood what he was saying. Stop being so defensive people.
I think all those complaining are actualy white.
Actually it's funny, nobody complains when in almost every game we get to slay and torture white people, but when one games has some black people in it: "OMG you racistz!!oneone!". Same for Fat Princess, those people are so frustrated, nobody will think bad things of fat people when playing that god damn game.
* Interesting how hard is, for a white guy, from a first world country, see the problems with the first trailer.
@GuitarAtomik I know who he is and what he was commenting about it does not in anyway what so ever have any remote effect on what he said. Just cause someone ate eggs for breakfast doesn't explain why that someone shot a person in the head. A persons whole life does not play under any context to a moment of stupidity.
@Volomon
How is giving a company advice on how to avoid controversy stupid?
@GuitarAtomik
Bravo, I'm glad someone here actually read the article. I would stick around and help you enlighten(endarken?)the masses, but it's pointless when they don't understand what they're attacking....
See? This is why there isn't black zombies in these games.
So many zombie games in production.... Must start a charity to help the zombies.... no matter what colour!!!!
STOP SHOOTING ZOMBIES
It's a non story.
This has been said a million times, but if it's okay to play as a black character who kills white characters that aren't even zombies(GTA:SanAndreas) then I don't see why it's not okay to play as a white character who kills black characters who ARE zombies. I don't care about "history" or any stupid arguments like that. Anyone who thinks that people should be treated on different standards based on the history of their race is a racist and can go to hell.
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL GIVING PRESS TO THESE RACE-BAITING IDIOTS?
Then what would we blog about
@GuitarAtomik He also talked about the trailer at E3, believing that "race" played an issue in helping to modify the newer trailers. Which may or may not have. The reason its stupid is basically all hes saying is there are some people out there too stupid or too sensitive to grasp the finer nature of the game. Hes basically starting on a "slippery slope" starting with the trailers. He off the cuff (using prejudiced) thinks free speech should be curved for the ignorant.
Half the problem with the US is that we change things and lower things in quality and intelligence for those who can't understand.
Maybe N'gai Croal works for Capcom's advertising division? You never know.
Oh Jesus, not this clusterfuck again...
I hope zombies raise from their grave enraged by this whole "killing them" thing, they only want brains, come on!
@GuitarAtomik
Controversy is not to be avoided. There need to be more people who simply stop giving a fuck about the lowest common denominator. I realize it's a business and their first goal is to sell, sell, sell - but when you cultivate and cater to a market that is increasingly more and more sensitive to EVERYTHING, you're shooting yourself in the foot. More companies NEED to have the balls to eventually stand up and say, "Hey - read the press releases. Pay attention. If you're offended, it's your own fucking problem."
At the VERY least, as you imply, Croal suggested they walk on eggshells for the idiots of the world. At the very MOST, which is MY theory, the thought only popped into his head not for the benefit of "helping Capcom", but because he thinks exactly LIKE those uneducated morons who deliberately look for shit to get upset over.
I thought this was all over with. Oh well, guess I'll be seeing more of it as the launch draws closer.
I think everybody here has missed the important bit of news that I was presenting:
Jim Sterling was, once again, right.
People who argued with him was, once again, wrong.
Haha, except GuitarAtomik's blog served Sterling about 4 months ago.
Having traditionally racially sensitive imagery =/= a racist game
There's only been one person to claim it was a racist game and shock horror, she's got no context for the series, which is exactly what Croal and GuitarAtomik were saying. If anything, by being so obtuse, Sterling et al are coming across as being willfully ignorant of the issue in general. When a person that has no context for the game sees the game in motion, of course the embedded stereotypes and images are going to come to the forefront, it's not something that's easy to avoid at all.
So, again, context is everything, if you remove the knowledge of the game (as in the public at large), then you will have reactions based on the sensitive material. It's not rocket science, it's not another case of people bashing games, it's not playing "the race card," it is what it is. Sensitive imagery that evokes a reaction based on it's weight.
Soooo...Sterling takes another L on this subject, then in typical Sterling fashion, turns a blind eye to it, then will wait and take a passive-aggressive swipe at people who disagree with him.
Usually don't agree with anything N'gai Croal says and he clearly doesn't know much of anything about video games, but I was listening to the 1Up E3 wrap up podcast and he was explaining how his criticism was more with the trailer than with the game at all. Maybe he's just trying to cover his ass, but he does have a point in regards to that trailer. It would seem pretty ridiculous to me to if he had said they shouldn't have those scenes in the game, but presenting them in the first trailer for that game definitely gives the wrong impression.
Capcom really should add him as a zombie in the game so that the whole "controversy" can have a happy ending. Also Jose Conseco to teach kids that just because Chris Redfield does 'roids doesn't mean they're cool.
GuitarAtomik has illustrated , to a fucking T, the problem with this whole thing.
CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING.
Jim's always right.
"So, again, context is everything, if you remove the knowledge of the game (as in the public at large), then you will have reactions based on the sensitive material. It's not rocket science, it's not another case of people bashing games, it's not playing "the race card," it is what it is. Sensitive imagery that evokes a reaction based on it's weight."
How is it NOT "the race card"? When someone flat out SAYS, "Obviously, no BLACK people worked on this game" after watching the trailer (insinuating that ONLY black people would have any real ability to be sensitive to any issues it raised), how is that NOT pulling race? Forget about his later comments where he backpedaled like crazy, how the hell does one justify "No black people worked on this game" without it coming back to race?
Sand, head out of, plz.
"Haha, except GuitarAtomik's blog served Sterling about 4 months ago."
LOLZ YA!
It was a good blog, but it didn't "serve" me. In fact, it was written before my own post on the subject, so whatever. I stick by everything I said, especially as you crow on about "zomg the trailer, the context," and forget that most of my issues with what Croal said came AFTER his MTV interview and are based off things he said to me directly, when he devolved into over-reaction and hyperbole.
So, thanks for playing, but no "servage lol" for you.
Context is ultimately nothing, especially because we can make our own context, and draw our own conclusions, no matter how stupid or weird they are.
Just for context, let me grab some examples.
Tinki Winki- THe purple teletuby with a purse and a upside down triangle on his head (supposedly a icon for gays). The context lead people to declare that it was an attempt to make kids gay. (I know I will be lambasted for this one)
Squidward- This Sponge Bob Square Pants character likes art, music and interpretive dance. Another character accused of making people gay.
Both of these characters were taken "in context" and declared something they weren't. Context means nothing, as long as you (or someone else) finds something to be offended by.