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Rare won't fix Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts for SDTVs photo

You know, they're called Standard Definition TVs for a reason. The videogame industry has been quick to jump on the Hi-Def bandwagon, regardless of the fact that SDTVs are still the, y'know, standard, and Rare has made a clear example of this with the ridiculously tiny text in Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts.

Despite Nuts & Bolts following in the footsteps of Dead Rising by practically excluding SDTV owners, Rare has stated that the barely legible text seen in the BK demo will likely be exactly the same text seen at retail.

"Unfortunately, this is an issue that doesn't look like it will get changed. I don't want to bore you with the technical side of things (I really don't understand it all myself), but the long and the short of it is that the text you see in the demo will be the same as that which you find in the retail version of the game," stated Rare community manager George Kelion.  "I'm sorry that we weren't able to address this issue as nothing would please us more than turning all your complaints into gleeful responses, but it's simply something that's too expensive in terms of time, resources and money to alter.

"Please don't kill me. This *doesn't* mean we don't care about or respect the community. This *does* mean that, when all's said and done, we're only human." 

I don't know about anyone else, but I found the text was too small even on an HDTV. I had to walk across the room to get close enough to read it, and that's not cool -- especially for a game that relies on text for all its dialog and tutorials. I don't play videogames to stand a foot away from a screen and squint.








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Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:30
Syn
I'm noticing that 80% of PS3 games' text is waaaaaaay too fucking tiny. Disgaea in particular, the words are brutally small, and I have really good eyes. This shit isn't cool!
Tron's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:32
Tron
IF they won't fix it, I won't buy it. And with the kind of attitude Rare is giving its fans I'm not even sure I want to download the original Banjo-Kazooie now.
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:34
Cube
Nobody plays on SD TVs anymore anyway unless you playing something from the 1980's
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:34
Cube
Nobody plays on SD TVs anymore anyway unless you playing something from the 1980's
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:34
Cube
Nobody plays on SD TVs anymore anyway unless you playing something from the 1980's
DemonKyoto's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:34
DemonKyoto
I LOVE Banjo-Kazooie, but I played the demo on both my 23" SDTV and a LCD monitor, neither of which were very appealing when it comes to trying to read it. I had to find kind of a sweet spot, not too far, not too close, and if I moved more then an inch, I couldnt see anything :(
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:44
vexed alex
Pft. Poor people. Who needs 'em?
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:47
Gameboi
Question to all of the major developers that do this: Are you that f*ckin lazy, or don't care that a decent-sized portion of the population (such as myself) still have several STANDARD DEFINITION TVs in our houses?

How hard and costly could it possibly be to add a bit of code that checks for an SDTV, and adjusts the text accordingly? Think about your customers.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:50
Jim Sterling
"Nobody plays on SD TVs anymore anyway unless you playing something from the 1980's"

I believe just last year, SDTVs still outnumbered HDTVs. I could be wrong though.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:54
Gameboi
Plenty of people still have SDTVs. It's simply not affordable, practical, or even wise to switch over the TVs in your house just so you can read the text in a video game.
dawn fire's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:56
dawn fire
firstly...fuck rare, for that attitude (and also the upcoming immature abomination that is avatars). secondly, this is a issue with gaming in general, even on a hd massive TV some (more that there should be) games still have ridiculously small text...for no reason, there's usually so much free space on screen that it baffles me. SDTV's will be around for years, even when everything tv wise is digital HD and shiny with bells on, as you can still play consoles through them!

i'd say don't buy it, or anything else they put out. if you know it's an issue you fix it!
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 09:58
Char Aznable
Fuck all ya'll. SDTVs 4 life.

Not really, I just haven't forked over the money for a good HDTV yet. My first sentence stands, though.
Remoraz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:01
Remoraz
A lot of people still have SDs. Eventually they'll get HDTV's, but that could be in 10 years or more.

Another thing to think about: many, MANY people don't have internet connections. These are the people that buy games like Tiger Woods and Guitar Hero 2. You know, those games that have a tendency to brick your system until you get a patch. So, what do you say to EA and Harmonix? (Bad example games, I know, but I didn't have a 360 then.)
Spectral's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:05
Spectral
Haha it's like Dead Rising all over again.

But come on now, all they have to do is enlarge the text and smooth or sharpen it. What's so hard about that? It's not like it's going to be out of focus or anything if it matches the resolution.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:10
Gameboi
Jim,

Here is your chance to shine, and make a difference for gaming. Raise some hell, and keep pounding away at them until they realize the complete disservice microtext is to video games, and the customers that support them.

And yes, I'm serious. Tired of nearly going blind, while trying to play through today's games. Even Nintendo got that one right, and people love to rag on them.
BlackSheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:21
BlackSheep


QUIET MOM! I'M PLAYING BANJO!
exodus1925's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:22
exodus1925
Then I won't be buying it. There, that's settled!
gamesronlygames's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:22
gamesronlygames
SDTV's are still around but why invest in HD gaming systems and play them on a crummy tv. But I forget a lot of gamers are teenagers with nothing but an allowance. My 50 inch panasonic 1080p plasma was the best investment I made over a year ago. Games, movies,and tv are stellar. Technology always moves forward so there is no reason for the gaming industry to use outdated methods unless they want to lose to the competition and have their games mocked. might as well buy a wii.
RAB's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:22
RAB
If they added it as free DLC later on then... maybe it'd be ok. But at this point I REALLY don't want to go through another Dead Rising. I really missed out on a fuck-lot of that game only because I couldnt read the text. Had to just wing it most of the time or hope that the voice actors would name certain locations.

Also Barak Wins, Flawless Victory.
ChunkyB's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:25
ChunkyB
I play on an SDTV, and I'm on my way over to amazon to cancel my pre-order right now. I tried to play the demo, and it was impossible. I was hoping that they would change it for the retail release, but I guess I'll have to spend my money elsewhere (like maybe on an HDTV).
TheGuero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:28
TheGuero
"Please don't kill me. This *doesn't* mean we don't care about or respect the community. This *does* mean that, when all's said and done, we're only human."

Yes, ofcourse, because adding slightly bigger text would be a programming miracle of the likes no one has ever seen. Please don't hate him people. He is human, and humans do have a tendency to shit all over the people that are paying their bills.
dgschrei's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:29
dgschrei
The worst problem with this tiny text was that most of it only stayed on screen for very little time. I mean we have had text in our videogames since the 80s so what in God's name does it make so difficult to put a button press at the end of every line, so that you can signal when you've finished reading the damn thing. I for once had difficulties reading the text before it dissappeared again, which might have to do something with the fact that the font was so damn tiny that it severly impacted my reading speed.
And Rare immitating Nintendo by avoiding voice actors like they were made of poison certainly didn't help here. Seriously guy we are in 2008 now and you are programming for an HD-Console so please give us some decent voice over.
TheGuero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:31
TheGuero
Oh yeah, I'm not buying it either and I was absolutely ecstatic about this game. Owning only an SDTV, I feel as if the game is almost unplayable. Not only that, but I honestly believe it's bad for my eyes to just try and read it.

Honestly, I could only read about 5 percent of the text in the demo, if that. In a game based on a new build your own crazy vehicle concept, don't you think the text that explains this should be legible?
TheGuero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:34
TheGuero
[quote] gamesronlygames at 11/05/2008 10:22

SDTV's are still around but why invest in HD gaming systems and play them on a crummy tv. But I forget a lot of gamers are teenagers with nothing but an allowance. My 50 inch panasonic 1080p plasma was the best investment I made over a year ago. Games, movies,and tv are stellar. Technology always moves forward so there is no reason for the gaming industry to use outdated methods unless they want to lose to the competition and have their games mocked. might as well buy a wii.[/quote]
TheGuero's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:35
TheGuero
gamesronlygames at 11/05/2008 10:22

"SDTV's are still around but why invest in HD gaming systems and play them on a crummy tv. But I forget a lot of gamers are teenagers with nothing but an allowance. My 50 inch panasonic 1080p plasma was the best investment I made over a year ago. Games, movies,and tv are stellar. Technology always moves forward so there is no reason for the gaming industry to use outdated methods unless they want to lose to the competition and have their games mocked. might as well buy a wii."

Sorry for the double post, I hit send before I typed it my response in. Everything that was stated above me in the quoted text is made out of complete ignorance. With every sentence you made yourself appear more ignorant and more pretentious. Good job.
Kia's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:40
Kia
Ugh, tell me about it. I've got a fairly decent (32", nothing major) widescreen SD TV, and more and more games are absolutely impossible to read. It's ridiculous! I hoped it was just a minor issue when Dead Rising started it off awhile ago, but apparently not. I'm getting tired of having to sit on the bench of our nearby piano to play anything instead of, y'know, reclining on the couch across from the TV. -_-
sylphx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:45
sylphx
@gamesronlygames

Wow. Just wow. If buying an HD t.v. is the best investment you ever made in the last year I feel very sorry for you. Depreciating assets ftw! I would hardly call any consumer goods an investment.

Considering probably SD tv's still outnumber HD tv's you are alienating and potentially losing half of your revenue base.

@RARE

"We are only Human." Worst excuse ever. YOU ARE NOT HUMAN YOU ARE A COMPANY. I can't believe they didn't test their games on SD tv's. Man, developers are getting lazier and lazier these days.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 10:51
king3vbo
I have an HDTV, but with my bad eyesight I had a hard time reading the text unless I scooted my chair up closer to the TV
Brilliam's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 13:13
Brilliam
"You know, they're called Standard Definition TVs for a reason."

Because they were the standard before HDTVs were made? What a silly statement.
Zerozaki Ishiki's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 13:14
Zerozaki Ishiki
No, Rare, making your game unplayable for a significant portion of your audience is not "only human." It is Totally Incompetent.
Canceled my preorder, will go buy a GOOD game instead.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 13:22
CelicaCrazed
I play my PS3 on an SDTV :(. Though it is a 54" rear-projection that I got for $100 so I really can't complain ahaha. It may be over a decade old, but it has a pretty sweet sound system built in. The bass be thumpin'!!

But yeah, I definitely still need an HDTV....
gamesronlygames's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 13:29
gamesronlygames
@sylphx
Cheer up. Its just a blog.
YONKE's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 13:30
YONKE
i was thinking getting this game if i could read the damn text.............. fuck rare
Chicken008's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 13:39
Chicken008
Small text sucked in Viva Pinata too.
Genki-JAM's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 13:59
Genki-JAM
Yeah, I had already reserved and paid this game off because I was expecting it to actually be pretty good. Then I played that demo and not only could I not read the text, but the controls weren't very good either. Not to mention that I was already upset about the lack of PLATFORMING in the game and the shift in focus to stupid vehicle gameplay (which sucks, btw). So the fact that they AREN'T fixing this text problem is just icing on the cake for me. I'm no longer getting this game and will actually be going out a little later today to cancel the preorder and get my money back. I'll have much more fun with the original game when it comes out on live (a friend from Gamestop hooked me up with his free code). So fuck Rare, and fuck this game. Also, fuck any of you who say "go buy a HDTV," because I'm sick of hearing that shit.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 14:06
eternalplayer2345
That text is much too small for me, guess I'll just have to play in the living room ugh...........
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 14:06
TrailerParkJesus
This is perfect for a patch later on. Oh, and if they could charge us money for it, that would just be excellent.
Kathos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 14:08
Kathos
I wasn't planning on getting it anyway, so hah. Poo on you.
Agent Orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 14:18
Agent Orange
After the underwhelming demo and news like this, I am really, really close to canceling my pre-order for this game. If not for the price tag and free $15 Banjo download, I already would have, especially with Mirror's Edge coming out next week.
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 14:32
BattyAdroit
According to Endgadget, no less than 28% of Americans have an HDTV set in their homes.

You can buy more SDTVs for sale at the Good Will than you can at any Wal-Mart now.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 14:48
mix
What a slap in the face for us consumers.

Douches.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 14:50
BluDesign
you know what's really hard to read? Dtoid mobile on an iphone.

Fonts look like they're 2pt size.

As for banjo kazooie... Rare fucked up but it's their call. The 360 is supposed to be a high def gaming platform. I very much doubt I wouldve bothered getting a 360 if I didn't already have an HDTV. I've played the 360 in SD and it's a mess and not fun to play.

If I had to make a call on investing in either HDTV or a game system now(as I bought my tv months before the 360 came out) I'd still buy the tv first. I know a lot of games aren't being played on the 360 for their compelling story. Bioshock is a great game but of has to look like mud in SD. I can't even begin to fathom what fallout would be like.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 15:19
BluDesign
My other point is that what I had prior to that was a PS2 and would've been more than suitable for my gaming needs for years to come had I not purchased my HDTV.

Hell, it took Dead Rising to come out for me to take an actual interest in the 360.
SetoChaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 15:52
SetoChaos
Health and safety warning at the beginning of the Banjo Demo: Sit in a well lit room and not too close to the TV. Also use a small TV if possible.

If no one can read the text, then isn't this encouraging people to break the health and safetly rule stated when you stat the game? This is one time I'd like to see the media go after a game. It would pressure them to fix it. Well, I guess I'll cancel my preorder then, sorry rare. Your game now sucks and I'm not buying it.
The White Light's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 16:05
The White Light
This is really stupid. I have an HDTV now, but I definitely played Dead Rising and The Darkness on my old SDTV, and I was immensely frustrated by the developers lack of foresight when it came to this matter.

Rare is acting like the thought never occurred to them. I want to know what it's going to take before it becomes widespread knowledge amongst developers that this small text is messing up their games for a huge chunk of their audience. If they were aware of it from the beginning, it would be one of the easiest problems to address.
z0rk's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 16:20
z0rk
Don't forget to spread the blame. Not only should they (Rare) be smart enough to test their games on a variety of configs (including SDTV) but so should Microsoft's QA team. After the Dead Rising fiasco, you'd think someone would have updated their checklist in Redmond.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 16:42
Holyetheline
I totally thought that the text was too small on my 42" HDTV ... I also found myself squinting and in some cases just getting sick of reading and skipping the chats.
chaos591's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 18:11
chaos591
If Rare is not willing to put the effort
in fixing the text then I refuse to buy Banjo.
This is exactly what keeped me from finishing dead rising.
banjo is known for its fun super mario 64 game play and humor and with vehicles and comedy being less funny for we miss the text due to its size there is no point.
RARE fails. Im going to pre-order it just for the original banjo for live arcade then switch it to something else.
Donovanad's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/05/2008 18:25
Donovanad
Even though the game comes out next week, I would very much approve of a delay if they would be willing to fix it.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2008 00:46
Aaron Mxy Yost
And with that, the interest I had in this game just vanished.
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