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Rare says it doesn't need to return to old franchises photo

It seems that Rare isn't so interested in its classic franchises that made it such a popular developer. In speaking with Develop, Studio head Mark Betteridge told them that Rare “would only go back to older franchises if we saw an opportunity to make the product in a different way that would do justice to [them].”

He followed up by claiming that there "isn't a need" to reboot their classic franchises, saying that it would be nice to return to their big name games, but that doesn't mean that they are going to.

Does this mean that Banjo and Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts did justice to one of the greatest 3D platformers ever? Or maybe that re-releasing Perfect Dark in HD was a "different way" to approach that game. This just seems to contradict half of Rare's work for the past decade. Maybe it's a brand new direction for the company, but as of now I'm not seeing it.

Rare: We don’t need to return to old franchises [Develop, via That VideoGame Blog]








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Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:06
Retrofraction
Rare has lost their makers and have also lost all of their vision.

now they are just a company that owns Perfect Dark and 7-8 games that were good.
andycadaver's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:08
andycadaver
So does this mean they'll actually be making anything new at all?
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:10
Mr Andy Dixon
Don't forget they made avatars for NXE. Those were... different?
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:18
D-503
Once my favorite company. Now a mere shadow.
Charl3z523's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:28
Charl3z523
And Microsoft paid almost $400 million dollars for them... heh.
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:29
Everyday Legend
No KI, say bye-bye.
True Axiom's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:32
True Axiom
Rare doesn't quite need a new direction, it needs to release a god damn game.

Like, Nuts and Bolts wasn't bad, but...they need to make games. If a game company doesn't make games, well, they aren't really a game company anymore, and they'll just start suing people for using the name Rare in the titles of their games.
wh1terav3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:32
wh1terav3n
They didn't re-release Perfect Dark in HD, 4J Studios did. Rare had nothing to do with it besides some promo.
JHJS4LIFE's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:34
JHJS4LIFE
grabbed by the ghoulies 2
seanileus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:35
seanileus
I think everything is fine the way they've left it.
Comrade Snarky's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:36
Comrade Snarky
@ wh1terav3n

Sadly the Perfect Dark update has probably been better received than anything Rare has done lately.
SnatchTease's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:39
SnatchTease
Damn, I would love a new modern day Conkers.
walrusmustdash's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:49
walrusmustdash
@Lucas Says

It's weird, because they clearly have access to great technology. I mean, the graphics and physics in Nuts and Bolts were phenomenal, but they've done literally nothing else with that engine since. Aside from the Avatars, they haven't made anything for a really conspicuously long time. Such a waste.
agentarsenic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:51
agentarsenic
The only thing RARE needs to do is make a new Killer Instinct and die.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:53
Darren Nakamura
They've said this before.
AshiKou's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:55
AshiKou
Are they really that stupid as a business??? Honestly, this is one of the only companies I've seen that already has a guarenteed moneymaker at it's disposal and they REFUSE to bring it out! Suicidal, much?
Trowble's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 22:56
Trowble
@agentarsenic Agreed. The only franchise they need to return too is Killer Instinct. This is probably just their way of saying "no."
Professor Booty's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:01
Professor Booty
KI HD for XBLA or GTFO.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:02
Airbr1dge
That would be true if most of their new stuff hasn't sucked.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:02
Electrium
After Nuts n' Bolts, I'd rather not see them go back to any of their old franchises.
JynxShot's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:04
JynxShot
I miss Jet Force Gemini and Killer Instinct. I guess I'll just keep missing them. Thanks, Rare. No, go ahead, we need another Grabbed by the Ghoulies.
KC_RUFFIAN137's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:08
KC_RUFFIAN137
well thank goodness that Nintendo got rid of these chumps a while back
ONI5's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:20
ONI5
Give me RC PRO AM for XBLA
BrickRoadDX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:25
BrickRoadDX
Give me donkey kong country 4 or give me death!
Threaded's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:33
Threaded
Who is this "Rare" working for Microsoft? I know of a good old company that was with Nintendo forever ago by that name that released some awesome games.

Are they related at all?
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:33
The Silent Protagonist
Rare's last real games in my book were PD and Conker's BFD on the N64. Before those were almost even finished, the people that made them good were leaving.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:34
Dv8thwonder
^^ That will never happen seeing as the Donkey Kong IP is owned by Nintendo.
Wavebird64's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:34
Wavebird64
It's like nintendo knew they were going down the crapper, so they let Microsoft have it...



GENIUS
CheeseBurger's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:38
CheeseBurger
@ wh1terav3n
Really? Then why the fuck they don't do the same shit for the Wii, or with Conker Bad Fur Day? >:(
Blacula's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:39
Blacula
Rare needs to STFU and get on a Blast Corps remake.

That game would be amazing with all this fancy PhysX, and Euphoria/DMM stuff going around.
kylamity's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:42
kylamity
They should make an xbl-avatar mmo. Just kidding, that would suck ass.
GrumpyTurtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/28/2010 23:57
GrumpyTurtle
I don't want them to go back to any old games. Because I love those old games, and they don't make amazing games anymore. They make games that at best are utterly meh. They aren't the same company I use to love. I miss the Stamper Brothers.
SpidaMahn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 00:05
SpidaMahn
Vivi Pinanta was decent.
Gestault's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 00:20
Gestault
Both the Viva Pinata games were fantastic, and a nice change of pace from what's on the market. Banjo Kazooie N&B was great, and the complaints fielded against it ("waah, it doesn't play EXACTLY like the old games, therefore its terrible") were addressed in the first 3 minutes of the game when they pointed out that everyone would have bitched if they put out another adventure game with the same formula. I really like the avatars in NXE, and I'm clearly not alone. I liked Kameo, and I hated the single player in Perfect Dark Zero.

That's a pretty good batting average. Name another third-party company that thrived in the 16-bit era that still has a good name these days. They got bought out by MS, and guess what? They continued to do good work, and they've continued to have funding. I wanna see their Natal projects. As much as I personally may want a new Killer Instinct, I've liked their new stuff.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 00:30
Hiltz
As far as I'm concerned, Rare has yet to make a game that proves their worth in this generation. Hearing that we may never see a new Killer Instinct, Battle Toads, Blast Corps is disappointing.

Goodbye, Rare.
Dominik Erbsland's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 01:09
Dominik Erbsland
The downward spiral started when they went to Microsoft. They are pretty much dead to me since the founders of the company actually left Rare. I mean what signal is that? Even the founders gave up on the company.
Jibberwocky's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 01:32
Jibberwocky
^^Rare ruined Rare, actually. Still, Nuts & Bolts was amazing. I don't give a shit what all those whiners say about changing the formula. Not like the first two games got somehow corrupted by the third.
strangerdanger's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 01:33
strangerdanger
@Gestault
"Name another third-party company that thrived in the 16-bit era that still has a good name these days."

Just off the top of my head: Capcom, Konami, and EA.
SpidaMahn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 01:57
SpidaMahn
^ Isn't trolling ban worthy?
ZeeJayTL's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:14
ZeeJayTL
Commenting Negatively would be what other people were doing: "Rare sucks now, they didnt do anything good lately"

trolling would be what you are doing: blaming it all on Microsoft, and being a biased fanboy.
ZeeJayTL's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:28
ZeeJayTL
When I see a negative comment, I usually think "neato, an opinion I may or may not agree with let me read anyway". When I see a trolling comment, I think "wowzers, there was no real need for this comment, just some guy bashing something for no reason and being annoying".

But to go to topic: Never really cared for Rare.
Oishidesu's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:48
Oishidesu
Hey Rare, Eff You!
I hope you go bankrupt for accepting Microsoft's bribe money! Go back to Nintendo, make another Donkey Kong Country game, and I'll punish myself for saying "Eff You".
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 02:57
hpv
Perfect Dark HD wasn't done by Rare.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 03:15
HEL105
I liked Nuts and Bolts. It actually let you be creative, and that doesn't happen very often on consoles.
MasterBalls's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 05:56
MasterBalls
Of course they don't...
I personally can't wait for Kameo 2 and Viva Pinata 3

*shudder*
Matthew Razak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 06:42
Matthew Razak
@ hpv

While it wasn't done by Rare, they still green lit it, allowed a port to be released, backed it up with PR and conducted interviews for it. That all seems to contradict what he is saying.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 06:55
Cowboy TTop
Rare lost their way long ago, IMO. Beyond now being part of MS, they've become a forgotten entity, and that's one of the worst things that can happen, if you also produce few to no games, to stay relevant and remind people who you are.

NaB never grabbed me, as I would have much prefered to see them have another go at Blast Corps, an IP that would be easier to create and do well today, even as a XBLA game. What's more funny, is that even Janathan Blow can develop and release a game before Rare these days. Lol.

Its just as well, that Red Faction Guerilla exists to itch that destructive scratch, now. Thanks for nothing, Rare.
Ubersuntzu's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 07:06
Ubersuntzu
I don't really care what they do as long as it's at least up to par with Kameo, Viva Pinata and Nuts & Bolts. They just need to actually make some games. I haven't heard anything out of them in two years and that's a crime.
Timstuff's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 07:06
Timstuff
Hey Rare, Last I checked, your last new IP was that Kameo game, and no-one bought it. What was the last new game you guys made, anyway? Try making games, that would be a start. We'll talk new IP's later.
Geen's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/29/2010 07:28
Geen
@TimStuff - Their last new franchise was Viva Pinata and, considering they have three unique games in the series, I'd say it's done pretty well for them.
Nuts & Bolts is pretty good, too, you just can't go into it expecting Banjo 3 (Which is why I'm guessing so many were, rightfully so, pissed off about it. You wouldn't want to load up Street Fighter 5 only to find out that it's now a cooking simulator, no matter how good that cooking simulator is).

I think Rare still has some magic in their offices, but they need some focus. Course, it is also Rare, so for all we know they have a game about to come out by year's end and they just haven't announced it yet (Which is probably true since they're rumored to be working on Natal games).
Also, Rare has earned their keep with Microsoft thanks to Avatars and the Avatar Marketplace. Seriously, I've spoken to so many people that love buying their avatar new shoes or whatever.
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