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Rare and Molyneux wanted real controller for Kinect photo

Rare's George Andreas has revealed that his studio, along with Microsoft Game Studios head Peter Molyneux, pushed for at least one button to accompany Microsoft's HD Wii. According to Andreas, his team was "very vocal" about the situation, before they got hit on the head and decided Kinect was awesome.

“We were absolutely adamant that we needed a button, something with haptic feedback, that would initiate an action,” he says. “It took a long time -- we threw some prototypes together and then we saw you didn’t need one.

"We were very vocal to Kudo [Microsoft head of sunglasses] at the time, and Peter Molyneux was as well, that you needed something in your hand."

Rare does not think this way anymore, and isn't that a good thing? After all, we now get to enjoy on-rails Harry Potter, on-rails Star Wars and on-rails Wii minigames! God bless you, Kinect!

Rare, Molyneux wanted Kinect handheld controller [CVG]








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Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:20
Drakengard
At first I was: "Okay, so they're not that stupid then."

And then I was: "Oh, wow, they actually are that stupid."

Way to be guys! Let's be so bleeding edge with motion controls that in all likelihood it's going to blow with the exception of maybe a couple games that will most assuredly be dance and puzzle games.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:25
Sexualchocolate
Needs moar buttons.

Seriously, the Eyetoybutwith3dmovementrecognitionandamicrophone is going to be great for contolling your dashboard and for the many on-rails games and dancing/fitness games that are on their way, but to add motion control to the staple hardcore gamers library is going to take some buttons, something a bit more like.....











..Playstation Move.


Seriously 8 days till Move is released in the UK, I'm so super hyped!! Just can't wait to play RUSE with it, and MAG and SOCOM, and The Fight, and Sorcery, and killzone 3, and Virtua Tennis, and hell, the whole fucking long list of awesome games with MOVE support!



I would welcome any suggestions on how any of the following could possibly work with kinect...

Real time Strategy
First person shooter
3rd person shooter
(hell any shooter)
Role playing
etc etc.

i just don't see myself perhaps dragging myself (ala Black and White) through an epic RPG world, or somehow shooting people in a shooter, or precisely controlling troops on a RTS with kinect.

Dance games and kids games - boom Kinect is all over that shit.

Real games - not so much, you want a PS Move.
frangeek's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:27
frangeek
@Luco Who doesn't like DNF ? I mean it's DNF for christ's sake !!
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:34
llort het
I think it should have one button also. A self-destruct button.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:41
Sexualchocolate
Monchichi, like a tamigotchi?

MAGeyepet would be sick. Lol.

I've got eyepet (uk) and it's pretty Fucking cool just using your hands (pseye = kinect much?) But is gonna be even awesomer with move!
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:46
D-503
Rare still makes games?
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:48
Corduroy Turtle
The only game from both Move and Kinect line-ups that I want to try is Dance Central.
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:51
killias2
I'm not into Kinect at all. Time Crisis for Move has my interest to some extent, but it's certainly not a day one purchase.
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:51
llort het
@sexualchocolate

dude you can't say kinect is for kiddie games and then say eyepet is "pretty fucking cool just using your hands"

It almost sounds like bias or something
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:55
Sexualchocolate
@Corduroy Turtle

That opinion is just silly and fanboy-tastic.

So you don't care, or even WANT TO TRY using a 3D mouse for RUSE? or lightgun style aiming in shooter games, not just any shooting games THE FUCKING BEST shooting games? You don't even want to try Eyepet, or MGS rising with Move? (Fingers crossed - looking promising). 1:1 Sword -> head chopping is certainly something i'd at the very least like to try.

Dude, I'm a hardcore Sony fanboy and I at least want to try kinect. I just hold very little confidence that it'll be good for anything but dancing games and kids games.

OK, OK, I just want to try kinect so that i can confirm that it's as shit as it looks, well the lineup at least.
DtoidBadMrK's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:56
DtoidBadMrK
@Sexualchocolate

Surprise surprise. Sexualchocolate is in here sucking the proverbial dick of Sony. While it's true that Kinect isn't going to work for the hardcore games, do you see Microsoft even targeting the hardcore crowd? No, because they already have them. Most of the hardcore gamers don't give a fuck about motion controls because games like an FPS, or an RTS, do not work as well with motion controls. Sure, it's a nice novelty, but at the end of the day I'd rather have a real controller than be pointing at the screen all the time.

Microsoft is looking for a casual fanbase for Kinect, and that's it. It's evident by their marketing, and by the games they're releasing for it.

So yes, Move works better for the hardcore games, but honestly, when the novelty wears off, you'll be back to your good old Dualshock controller for Killzone, Infamous, and Socom.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 08:57
Sexualchocolate
...and (sorry for double post) THIS is a fucking motion control lineup...

First-Party Titles

* Beat Sketcher (Fall 2010)
* SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs (Fall 2010)
* EyePet™ (Sept. 2010)
* Kung Fu Rider™ (Sept. 2010)
* Sports Champions (Sept. 2010)
* Start The Party!™ (Sept. 2010)
* echochrome ii (Sept. 2010)
* Tumble (Sept. 2010)
* Hustle Kings (Oct. 2010)
* The Fight: Lights Out™ (Oct. 2010)
* The Shoot™ (Oct. 2010)
* TV Superstars™ (Oct. 2010)
* High Velocity Bowling (Oct. 2010)
* PAIN (Oct. 2010)
* Heavy Rain® (Oct. 2010)
* SingStar® Dance (Nov. 2010)
* Little Big Planet™ 2 (Nov. 2010)
* Sly Collection (Nov. 2010)
* Heroes On The Move (Working Title) (2011)
* Killzone®3 (2011)
* Sorcery (2011)

Third-Party Titles

* John Daly's ProStroke Golf (OG International) (Fall 2010)
* Racquet Sports (Ubisoft) (Fall 2010)
* The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest (WB Games Inc.) (Sept. 2010)
* Brunswick® Pro Bowling (Crave) (Sept. 2010)
* Resident EviL®5 Gold Edition (Capcom) (Sept. 2010)
* RUSE (Ubisoft) (Sept. 2010)
* Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2010 (Electronic Arts) (Sept. 2010)
* Time Crisis: Razing Storm (Bandai Namco) (Sept. 2010)
* Toy Story 3 (Disney) (Sept. 2010)
* Kung Fu Live (Virtual Air Guitar Company) (Oct. 2010)
* NBA 2K®11 (2K Sports) (Oct. 2010)
* Deadliest Catch: Sea of Chaos (Crave) (Nov. 2010)
* Disney Tron Evolution the Video Game (Disney) (Nov. 2010)
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Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:02
Monte
"Kinect doesn't need buttons"
Oh really? is that why Fable 3 won't be directly integrated with kinect?
idrawrobots's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:04
idrawrobots
@Sexualchocolate Kinect with any shooter, how about playing it with both a controller and Kinect, commanding your small following of units to flank an enemy with hand gestures, or peaking around a corner with a slight lean to the left or right; all the while controlling your little bald and buff hunk through a world of brown and grey.
kainsec's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:05
kainsec
So they wanted a move? kidding aside both it and the move still look completely pointless.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:08
Thane Vickers
While I am more excited for Move, I don't think we should shit so hard on something yet to be released.

And I thought you could use a 360 controller with it.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:08
Thane Vickers
While I am more excited for Move, I don't think we should shit so hard on something yet to be released.

And I thought you could use a 360 controller with it.
Ganjookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:09
Ganjookie
Monchichi...Monchichi... they can play Atari!
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:13
Sexualchocolate
@idrawrobots

Um, because kinnect can't see your fingers, and the Xbox controller is way too big to hold in one hand??

@DtoidBadMrK - That's right, RTS games are so much better with dual sticks than a 3D mouse. - dude check some ruse + move videos out.

Microsoft by NO MEANS "has the hardcore market" MS has the Casual shooter market, playing CoD, Halo and Madden everyday. The hardcore gamer (read: plays more than CoD and Madden and has an actual passion for gaming) is moving to the PS3 in droves.

also, MS only dominates any market in the fucking USA.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:18
Bakewell
Sexual chocolate.

You do realise that you are derailing the conversation. This has fuck all to do with move.

If you're interested in move the people will read move articles, they don't need you ramming this shot down our throats all the time.

You are trolling dude, please stop it.
idrawrobots's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:19
idrawrobots
@DtoidBadMrK Motion controls have already proven to work for RTS and FPS. I've played them, Little King's Story, Metroid Prime: Corruption, Red Steel 2.
ndschroede23's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:20
ndschroede23
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Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:22
Sexualchocolate
kinect needs moar buttons like move.

Perfectly relevant.
DtoidBadMrK's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:27
DtoidBadMrK
@idrawrobots

Sure, they work. But are they better than a standard controller? Hell no! The motion controls are a novelty that will surely wear off quickly for these shooters and RTS games. Nobody wants to be waving their hands around for hours on end playing a shooter, especially online.

@sexualchocolate

You completely missed my point. I'm not getting into a contest with you over which is better, PS3 or XBox. I'm saying that for hardcore games nothing beats a controller or mouse and keyboard. Whether it's on the PS3, XBox or PC. Motion controls. When the novelty of the Move or Kinect wears off you'll return to your Dualshock. Plain and simple. Do you honestly see yourself playing Killzone for 5 hours waving a Move around to point and shoot? You're going to want to sit back with your controller.
DtoidBadMrK's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:28
DtoidBadMrK
Nice to see that Destructoid comments section is getting overrun by ads like IGN now. Hopefully they do something about this.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:30
Bakewell
@sexual chocolate

Thats like saying the earth quake in New Zealand is relevant to us in the uk because we had an earth quake a few years ago.

And the ps3 has sold less than the xbox which in turn has sold less than the wii (globally) so this

"MS only dominates any market in the fucking USA"

is utterly irrelevant.
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:34
Neroisonfire
I bet rare and molyneux still think they were right. They just can't go right out and say the hand that feeds them is stupid.

Read between the lines!.. Ok sure there may not be anything between the lines, but they can't be stupid.
janoDX's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:45
janoDX
@Sexualchocolate

First-Party Titles

* Beat Sketcher (Fall 2010) (CUASUAL SHIT)
* SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs (Fall 2010) (NOT CASUAL)
* EyePet™ (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Kung Fu Rider™ (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Sports Champions (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Start The Party!™ (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* echochrome ii (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Tumble (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Hustle Kings (Oct. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* The Fight: Lights Out™ (Oct. 2010) (STILL A Wii Sports Box Rip-Off, CASUAL SHIT)
* The Shoot™ (Oct. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* TV Superstars™ (Oct. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* High Velocity Bowling (Oct. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT AND RIP-OFF)
* PAIN (Oct. 2010) (NOT CASUAL)
* Heavy Rain® (Oct. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* SingStar® Dance (Nov. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Little Big Planet™ 2 (Nov. 2010) (NOT CASUAL)
* Sly Collection (Nov. 2010) (NOT CASUAL)
* Heroes On The Move (Working Title) (2011) (NOT CASUAL)
* Killzone®3 (2011) (NOT CASUAL)
* Sorcery (2011) (NOT CASUAL)

Third-Party Titles

* John Daly's ProStroke Golf (OG International) (Fall 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Racquet Sports (Ubisoft) (Fall 2010) (GUESS WHAT?, CASUAL SHIT)
* The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn's Quest (WB Games Inc.) (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Brunswick® Pro Bowling (Crave) (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Resident EviL®5 Gold Edition (Capcom) (Sept. 2010) (NOT CASUAL)
* RUSE (Ubisoft) (Sept. 2010) (NOT CASUAL)
* Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2010 (Electronic Arts) (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Time Crisis: Razing Storm (Bandai Namco) (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT AND ON-RAILS)
* Toy Story 3 (Disney) (Sept. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Kung Fu Live (Virtual Air Guitar Company) (Oct. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* NBA 2K®11 (2K Sports) (Oct. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Deadliest Catch: Sea of Chaos (Crave) (Nov. 2010) (CASUAL SHIT)
* Disney Tron Evolution the Video Game (Disney) (Nov. 2010) (NOT CASUAL)

And I'm a PS3 user... XD... I don't want the move, seriously...
The Goddamn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:50
The Goddamn
Honestly, who cares about what Rare wants?
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 09:56
Neroisonfire
@jano - you rate pain as not casual but echochrome 2 as so? And heavy rain as casual? Huh? Not so sure time crisis is completely on rails either. The last one had an analog stick for a reason i believe.

Also there's no No More Heroes in that list or MAG.

The move isn't for everyone. I'll probably buy it since I need more controllers and wouldn't mind the precision for online shooters.
Ujn Hunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 10:10
Ujn Hunter
Yeah, worst decision ever! You should have two Nunchuck like controllers with analog sticks & trigger buttons w/ rumble and it would have made Kinect worthwhile.
somanycats's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 10:25
somanycats
Don't care about either.
Nyktharas's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 10:44
Nyktharas
@idrawrobots

You know what else works? That I can push the "A" button 10 times in the time it would take me to release the controller, and make a hand signal with my right arm.
Master Snake's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 10:48
Master Snake
I found it funny that a spambot posted right below Sexualchocolate's list. The two almost blended together for a moment...
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 11:07
Klarden
a "win game" button? harharhar. ok, sorry
well, a controller with ONE button would've looked stupid anyway. When you're waving your hands like a monkey. Maybe a pedal then?
idrawrobots's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 11:10
idrawrobots
@Nyktharas Me too. ;)
Chris Corliss's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 11:19
Chris Corliss
Kinect will not be able to appeal to anyone besides casual gamers, and that's exactly what Microsoft is banking on. Sure, they say that it will have it's place with hardcore gamers, but they are probably just trying to satisfy the masses. There is no way that motion controls can completely replace hardware buttons for real games.

With that being said, there are a lot of very cool features that could be added to games by integrating Kinect into them, instead of having it replace the controller completely. Not nearly enough cool features though for me to go out and drop the kind of money that MS is wanting for it though.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 11:32
Mr Andy Dixon
The only game from both Move and Kinect line-ups that I want to try is Kung Fu Rider.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 11:58
KingSigy
Harry Potter is Jesus, or so my friends and I have purposed in a new thesis on way life sucks.
SayWord's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 12:00
SayWord
Lmao @bakewell always getting so butthurt over ps3 fanboys. Oh and yeah 360 only does well in the US :p
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 13:33
Corduroy Turtle
SexChoc: Man, it's going to KILL you when the Move fails to make an impact at all while the Kinect sells like gangbusters. This isn't the ramblings of a fanboy (you're the king of that, by far), it's just the comments of a person who has seen them both demo'd live in front of me.

1:1 is a lie and you know it.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 13:56
Mr Andy Dixon
@mattrodroid

YES.
Fresh Salsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 14:21
Fresh Salsa
I think its funny how people think that pointing the sony wiimove controller at the screen is going to be more precise than using two anolog sticks. Good luck with that.
Fresh Salsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 14:22
Fresh Salsa
*analog
McKn Decker's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 14:33
McKn Decker
I have an awesome idea, and I'd like you to bear with me here, cause it might just blow your mind:
Plug in the Kinect, turn on your Xbox, and then - here it comes - pick up an xbox controller and push the dashboard button for a second OMG KINECT AND BUTTONS AT THE SAME TIME WHERE'S MY BAG OF MONEY FOR THIS BRILLIANT CONCEPT
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 15:28
Bakewell
@sayword

Sadly for you I'm not mad. I do think you're an asshole that needs sewing shut though.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/07/2010 15:58
TheDreadHawk
WHO CARES ABOUT MOTION CONTROL?

Seriously? I just want to play video games.
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