Yeah, for the most part, my character feels like an unstoppable force right now, and I've still yet to hit 30. Those reavers can be problematic at points, but only if I do something stupid.

So I guess it would unbalance it if they weren't prepared to add even more difficult enemies. I guess with New Vegas on the horizon, I'm kind of OK with Zeta not raising the cap again.

Hell...with the proper skill point allocations and planning...

You can have all you SPECIAL Stats at 10, and 100 in Every Skill by Level 30...mind you it takes careful planning and finding all the books..but yeah, raising the cap anymore would make the game get boring fast...

I just start new characters when I get bored after hitting the cap...

I was pretty unstoppable by level 15. Then again I used grenades and a shishkabob as my primary weapons.

Give me slower levelling, not a higher cap! I love character progression, but jesus christ lvl30 is overpowered.

I felt like the game was already too easy. I got to the end and was disappointed that there was no real challenge. The hardest part was managing the weight of my loot.

I wasn't afraid of anything in the wasteland after like level 8. That's when I learned that a mediocre character + VATS + combat shotgun to the face = super mutant ownage. The fact that you can get super-powered followers like Fawkes and that you amass wealth easily enough to buy 100s of stim packs makes things even easier. And that's coming from someone who LOVES this game. The last thing we need is even higher powered characters. I would support DLC geared only towards high-level characters or areas/missions you can't access until level x if it made the game less easy once you level up a few times...

Agreed, by about half-way in the main story of the original Fallout 3, I definetly felt owerpowered, and my greatest challenge was managing my phat lootz. Near the end of the story, I was thinking of raising the difficulty from Hard to Very Hard, but I just wanted to finish the story, so I didn't, and it was super-easy in my point of view. Oblivion has that ''simultaneous leveling'' system in which the enemyes get more powerfull as the player levels up, wich keeps the challenge.

Who cares about throwing off the balance in a single player game? Isn't the whole point of it to get totally badass? And also, why not just throw higher level enemies at the player if they download the DLC?

So Oblivion had 100 max levels, but "level 40" would be too hard to do?

Fallout 3 was a great game in it's own right, but a step back from the Elder Scrolls series in just about every respect. This is indicative of their latest "cutting corners" strategy they've started to use.

@ Magnalon: I think the reason it seems that Fallout 3 took a few steps back from Oblivion is that Bethseda was trying to make the game more suitable for a larger amount of people. Basically, making a game seem more accessible and less intimidating overall.

Besides this, they probably wanted to get the fucker on store shelves ASAP.

But this is just my opinion. I could be totally wrong, of course.

The game was unbalanced with the level 20 cap. If you raised a weapon skill to 100, you could kill just about anything with ease.

If it's impossible for you to play a game without earning experience, go play an MMO. If you've already completed every quest in the game, gotten every special item, etc., there are two things you can do: go play another game, or make a new character, something you haven't done before. Were you good on the last run through? Be evil. Were you already evil? Be good. If you really want a challenge, stay neutral throughout the entire game. It's a roleplaying game, so... roleplay!

ugh, no more fallout. they've raped the original enough.

@peachboy,

Guess I won't see ya in the Fallout MMO then?

@peachboy

You and the others at Duck and Cover and No Mutants Allowed are the worst kind of Fallout fans. I've been a Fallout fan since 1997, and I was more than pleased with Fallout 3. Is it the same? No. Can we say a Black Isle Fallout released in 2008 wouldn't have looked/played similar? No. And for all the bitching and moaning about how Bethesda are rapists and horrible and suck balls, what is the result of Fallout 3's success? A new Fallout game developed by a number of the original team, including the J. E. Sawyer, who was going to be lead designer on Van Buren.

So, by all means, keep bitching, and continue your efforts towards rationalizing why you turned your back on a series you supposedly 'loved.'

I don't mind the level cap, because some of the enemies are still a challenge at level 30. Feral Ghoul Reavers are the absolute worst.

but like MotoRobo said, it encourages multiple playthroughs, which I am fine with, because in terms of freedom, Fallout 3 offers alot to do, almost too much for one character in a playthrough.

It's stupid to bitch about the level cap. This isn't an MMO. Start a new character. Frankly, I hate the fact that it's even possible to have full points in every skill. Leveling up becomes thoughtless if the end result is always the same.

You're supposed to put thought into allocating your skill points so that, in the end game, you have the proficiencies you want at the cost of those you sacrificed. That makes leveling up meaningful. If all you want is endless leveling with an ever more godly character who lays low armies every time he passes gas, go play Disgaea.

Im surprised no one has mentioned that it was already possible to max every skill to 100 by lv. A few bobble heads, high INT (not even 10 really), a few select perks and a pile of books later and you can really be cooking.

Personally, I LOVE Fallout but already found its skill and character system too forgiving. I play a very concept character who is physically frail, only wears the Vault Utility suit (for the red chucks of course), but depends on a mix of explosives, melee, and a inordinately high crit chance to succeed. I didn't take any of the meta gamer perks like "comprehension" or "educated", instead I took ones like "child at heart" and "mysterious stranger" just because they fit my character. I still had a fairly easy go of it in all but a few weird places, and I was getting frustrated with how many skill points I was getting in skills I didn't think fit my character by lv 27 (where I've got him now; Mind you I did every side quest in the game and the Pitt before Broken Steel dropped and was lv 20 for a good 40 hours of play or so). Even weapons like the Alien Blaster and Metal blaster made the game very easy just by themselves, just how powerful do people want to be?

My alt character has the winterized T-51 B and uses the unique minigun "Eugene" and almost nothing even threatens me. I often let human enemies get a few free shots in before obliterating them just to RP like my character (a goody two-shoes) is giving them a chance to surrender before their unavoidable demise.

Great game, but not difficult at all. Its all about experience and imagination rather than challenge.

@Jabberwalk: People *have* mentioned that.

I think that before Bethesda and Co decide to increase the level cap AGAIN, they should effing wait for us ps3 users to catch up to the rest of the pack! I haven't even had the pleasure of gaining 1xp past level 20, so everybody can jam it sideways.

Oblivion's enemy scaling basically ruined the game for me. What's the point of an RPG if you never feel weak or powerful? The game had absolutely no sense of growth. So I'll take a level cap over that any day.

With that said, I played Fallout 3 religiously for about two weeks, but as soon as I was about to hit level 20, I stopped and never beat the game.

Look, People in this conversation keep complaining about how fallout 3 was the raped version but, I bet you any money that if the fallout series stayed the same the whole time, you would complain that your not seeing anything different. Chose one, honestly would you rather play the same game 50 times or see some change?? hmm the answer is kind of clear. Another thing, I would have to agree with the person who said that they want the level cap to raise because it feels like your accomplishing something. When I was stuck at level 20 before I knew about the DLC, and I stopped getting experience, it just all felt like a waste of time. So if they raise the cap again, god bless em, if they dont Im probably not going to be the only one dissapointed

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