I'm laughing, but I'm laughing about the future of what kind of insane comments this could bring. And not just here.

But guys.Forza apparently will come in 2 discs.Final Fantasy for the Xbox will probaply be a shit ton of discs and theres a chance with Metal gear rising and so on.Thats atleast what i heard.

Hey they didn't cut content and put up with the production costs themselves right?

If that's the case I don't care how many disks they use.

Most people will finish the single player and then never touch it again so I don't see an issue. Hell, I can see scenarios now where if you can start from the multiplayer disc, people will quite happily try and sell the single player portion.

Meh.

Doesn't seem like a big deal. It's just a disc change I don't think it's a big deal.

I think the only people who make a big deal about disc swapping are trolling Sony fanboys. It never was that big of a deal in the past generations and it's not suddenly become this wild inconvenience just because blueray entered the market. Hell, I think mandatory installs where you have to sit there for 15 minutes when you just want to jump in to your newly unwrapped game are way more annoying than quickly swapping a disc 15 hours in, but even that isn't worth raising hell about either.

For Rage 360, I think it would be nice if first you could install the whole game to the hard disk. Then, to play through the single player mode, it would require disc 1 to be in the drive, but to play multiplayer, you could launch with either disc 1 OR disc 2. This way, you could install it at a buddies and let them borrow the other disc. They couldn't play the campaign, but you could have at least 1 friend online with you, and it would help elevate the games online community as a whole, and perhaps encourage more sales.

This scenario is not likely to happen though :(

The only thing that is funny is that fanboys on both sides pulled size data from all the games from last gen and early this gen to show that Bluray's capacity would be a waste/or needed this generation.

I think all this shows is that Sony is justified in wanting a Bluray in every PS3 for gaming, not just it's HD movie playing capability.

This is, at least to me, a situation where complaining just seems to be plain stupid, for most people buying this for the multiplayer are most likely not going to go through the campaign a large multitude of times, so if you frequently play multiplayer, ONLY THE MULTIPLAYER DISK NEEDS TO STAY IN IT. Even if you do switch between them frequently during episodes fueled by the prowess and subtlety of a rage quitter, sparing the 30 seconds it takes to replace the disk with either one isn't really all that much of a hassle.
Yeah, it's kind of a bummer for 360 owners since it's just a bit more baggage to handle and keep track of, but it's not really any different than what you would normally go through if you wanted to swap between games. On the other hand if ID is actually having difficulty fitting the campaign and the multiplayer on a single disk, maybe it means that either the multiplayer is vast, or the campaign is somewhat large. Maybe both, so it's kind of a win-win for those wanting more content.

Wow. It's the PS1 all over again. Like we're traveling backwards in time. Neat.

I think it would be inconvient but if I were really excited as I'm sure many are I probably would be able to see past it. I know nothing about the multiplayer but I'm assuming if it's that big of a component it's probably seperate disc worthy.

However they could just package a redeem code and people could download the multiplayer on the hard drive. Just sayin'.

JP007
15 min installs don't put devs outta business, its not fanboys who are yelling it (well they are but I ignore their existence regardless) its people that are paying attention to what's happening to devs.multi disks in anything raise production costs, its fine if devs choose to do it, but when they have to do it just to keep up a bit of an issue arises. Devs want multi plats to be even across the board so either they cut content, use more money for production, or make it DLC(aka the sh*t that should have came with the game DLC).

But now devs are doing just to fit everything in, this will ultimatly lead to an environment where no one but the mega corporations (like activision) will be able to keep pace(yes let's create an environment where guys who would jack prices on a game way up because its popular call the shots, I'm seeing several ways that's gonna bite us in the ass).

Hell the fact that two formats exists at the same time is causing issues, proof that next time we should wait till the format sh*t is settled before creating consoles because having multiple formats in play just causes issues in the long run.

Devs should be able to make and fail on a disk based game without worrying about their studio collapsing ,yet its happening left and right,its kinda starting to look like a graveyard out there and multi disks (and multi formats) are the cause of it.

I wish Konami would have done this with MGS4 & MGO. MGO is suppose to be a stand alone game, right? Then why doesn't it have it's own disk? I don't mind starting up MGS4 every time I want to go play MGO(which is far more often that playing MGS4).

Basically, I support the Rage devs if they want to put the multiplayer on a seperate disc.

I was gonna get it for my PS3 anyway. I tend to favor it for multiconsole games bc of the free PSN and my friends who don't have a 360. Plus, its controller just feels natural after barely changing since the PSone.

no, and no

I wouldn't really mind but I can see this getting annoying after a while. Some PC games made you pop in disc 1 for single-player and disc 2 for multi-player. So you insert disc 2 and then start up the game. But no, you had to start the game with disc 1, select multi-player, insert disc 2 and play. But yeah that was old times. If they make it so you can start the game from the multi-player disc it should be alright. But if I had a choice I would go for PS3.

Also I would want to have missed the MGS4 mandatory install. I loved watching Snake smoke a couple of cigarettes while doing it too.

I actually really like this idea - if you don't like the multiplayer? Sell it and keep the single player. If you love the multiplayer but can't be arsed to play the single player? Sell it.

Could be a nice move for used game sales - and it should REALLY impact too much on the retail sales of the game itself seeing as you're only reselling sections. Could actually instigate more brand loyalty.

all i want to know is what is in this game that's making it so big? AFAIK Crysis comes on 1 disc and it's graphics appear to be far superior. So, why can Crysis do it and not Rage? Are there hundreds of different types of areas, requiring a multitude of different texture sets? - it's id so the answer is probably no.

So are they just being shitty devs or - for some reason - complete sony shills?

hmmm

Just know what you're going to play before you put the disc in. This is a decision that you have to make when starting your 360 up, anyway.

@ Takeshi

He may be acting like a fanboy prick but he has a minor point; latest indications showed the framerate for Rage on the 360 being twice that of the PS3 version.

Of course what mrandydixon fails to factor in is the fact that the game is unfinished and therefore that particular nugget of information is subject to change...

It doesn't bother me at all... Seriously no big deal.

It would be a perfect solution, single on the first DVD, and multy on the second. I only play singleplayer, so I wouldn't mind at all if they do it this way.

To be fair, games like Lost Odyssey, Star Ocean the Last Hope, Infinite Undiscovery, and Blue Dragon all shipped with multiple discs. But then again, those were single player RPG experiences. For an action shooter with some sort of racing and exploration component. If the multiplayer portion on a secondary disc, I will be purchasing the PS3 version, despite any technical or performance issues. Granted there will probably be some sort mandatory install, thank go I replaced my 60gb hard drive with a 500gb hard drive.

@zip
PSX and Saturn were also using CD-ROM.You people don't have to try to defend everything about the 360.Just except that DVD9 is restricting and that it's a set back for this generation.

@LsTr_Of_SmG I don't know if you're claim was that used game sales would benefit game developers or not, but developers see a 0% profit from anything used. If ten copies of RAGE sell, but everyone on earth sells it to Gamestop/picks it up used from Gamestop, they're fucked! Well...maybe not id, heh. But you get the gist.

@TheChemist Final Fantasy VII was three disks. :)

Honestly, after installing the CD version of World of Warcraft combined with the eight years of updates, they could make me switch disks before I shot every bullet and it'd feel convenient.

But, in all honesty, I think switching disks is the least of anyone's concerns and there should definitely exist a more viable reason to opt for Playstation or Xbox than the thought of having to switch disks. Not to mention the fact that most people usually play through the one player campaign, then solely play multiplayer thereafter, but maybe that's just me.