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I have no interest in this game, though I don't see what the big deal is. Is popping out one disk, then inserting another that tedious? I use to love playing to the next disk in the ps1 days.
"I argued in a freelance article last week that consoles had become little more than crappy PCs, and stuff like this really hammers it home. Remember when the benefits of consoles were the ability to just throw in a disc and start playing? Kudos to id for doing their best, but I'm starting to really struggle to find the pros of console gaming anymore."
Well multiple disks is something you can't really do anything about. But yeah, those mandatory installs are kind of killing the "console convenience advantage."
Like I've said before, I also think that hooking up consoles to the internet was the worst thing to happen to the video game industry in years. Oh well
Well multiple disks is something you can't really do anything about. But yeah, those mandatory installs are kind of killing the "console convenience advantage."
Like I've said before, I also think that hooking up consoles to the internet was the worst thing to happen to the video game industry in years. Oh well
'DAS LIKE 1/8 of my PS3'S HDD!
HDD technology is really progressing at a snale's pace on current gen devices. For God sakes, I have 25GB of data to bring onto the Vita day one, and Sony wants me to pay $150 for 32GB of proprietary SD storage? Microsoft wants me to pay the same amount for 250GB of space as a 2TB form factor? Seriously?
HDD technology is really progressing at a snale's pace on current gen devices. For God sakes, I have 25GB of data to bring onto the Vita day one, and Sony wants me to pay $150 for 32GB of proprietary SD storage? Microsoft wants me to pay the same amount for 250GB of space as a 2TB form factor? Seriously?
The console which solves this problem next generation is going to be the clear winner of that race. Whether it's a storage media with good enough transfer rates while keeping the machine quiet or simply requiring publishers to program their game so it installs in the background while playing the multiplayer and/or first chapter of the game, whichever console allows gamers to get back to the pop-in and play gameplay will be the one which wins the average gamer's heart next gen.
So Jim, did you miss the bit where the 360 install was optional? As for your linked rant; anything that hooks up permanently to the internet can be expected to get patches, or pwned. Unplug your console and both things go away.
I don't think swapping multiple discs is that bad, but having to uninstall the previous disc just to pop in the next disc to install that one? Yeah... tedious and annoying already and the game isn't even out yet.
Also, what llort het said about hooking up console to the internet. I agree with that.
Also, what llort het said about hooking up console to the internet. I agree with that.
Granted that isn't the case for PS3, but with 360 you can still throw in the disc and start playing, it will just run like shit. I don't know who doesn't install whatever main game they're playing on their 360 anyway, the older models have dvd drives that sound like jet engines.
I really do wish the next round of consoles would focus on speeding everything up and getting rid of load times so i feel you.
But the pros of console gaming will always be the steady and sometimes overwhelming stream of excellent games and the ease of playing them on your couch the way god intended.
But the pros of console gaming will always be the steady and sometimes overwhelming stream of excellent games and the ease of playing them on your couch the way god intended.
I would install the games anyway, regardless of the console of my choice. I want the benefits of a faster load times while in the game and don't really care about waiting to install it before playing it.
I think when it gets to this point, that means we're getting ready for the next generation. This won't last much longer, I think(hope).
"So Jim, did you miss the bit where the 360 install was optional?"
Did you miss the bit where I never said it was mandatory? Because I never said it was mandatory. I said it was recommended.
Reading's fun.
Did you miss the bit where I never said it was mandatory? Because I never said it was mandatory. I said it was recommended.
Reading's fun.
Is the multiplatform generation, PCs suffers from crap ports and consoles suffers from requirements(PS3) and unfinished games(patches). The good side is that you can play almost everything with a single platform.
A mandatory install isn't exactly something that bothers me. Maybe it's because I'm an old school PC gamer, but it's no big deal. I have the internet, so killing 15 minutes while I wait for an installation is like cake. I don't really get people who act like they're going to slit their wrists if they don't get to play immediately.
That being said, the more I see of Rage, the less I want it, and I used to be very excited about it. All the commercials seem to feature a LOT of the classic "running backwards while shooting" mechanic, and I'm kind of tired of that.
That being said, the more I see of Rage, the less I want it, and I used to be very excited about it. All the commercials seem to feature a LOT of the classic "running backwards while shooting" mechanic, and I'm kind of tired of that.
But I do play my PC games easily through steam on my couch. It sits in my living room hooked up to my 65" DLP. Never understood this argument... You are now aware that today's video cards have HDMI out and look 5X better than consoles. I can even hook up an 360 controller to it, y'know, if I wanted to...
Theres nothing much we can about increasing HD installs, if we want next gen textures youve gotta pay for it in memory. Its this kinda stuff that really shows that Sony and MS are taking the piss with their prices on memory.
Anyway 2-3 discs is nothing compared to how bad it got with PC CDs just before they were phased out. IIRC My Klingon Academy had 6 CDs
Anyway 2-3 discs is nothing compared to how bad it got with PC CDs just before they were phased out. IIRC My Klingon Academy had 6 CDs
@Jim: "Remember when the benefits of consoles were the ability to just throw in a disc and start playing?"
This implies that one can't just do that on the 360. You're an editor, you do the math.
This implies that one can't just do that on the 360. You're an editor, you do the math.
Meh, I don't really see the big deal. I splurged last year and bought a 250gb hdd for my xbox and i installed a 500gb one in my ps3. Besides, switching discs hasn't ever been that big a deal, and installing something like this on the ps3 while i guess its a little odious it's just a one time thing.
Only 3 discs?
What the fuck, I was hoping for 4 or more.
Fuckers lied when they said this would be a huge game.
Man why do people hate multiple discs so much. I'd love to have a 6 disc game cone out. Guess I'll just stick to my old PC FMV titles.
Now those are multiple disc heaven.
What the fuck, I was hoping for 4 or more.
Fuckers lied when they said this would be a huge game.
Man why do people hate multiple discs so much. I'd love to have a 6 disc game cone out. Guess I'll just stick to my old PC FMV titles.
Now those are multiple disc heaven.
A game you buy for a console is guaranteed to run. Also consoles have the benefit of the used and rental markets.
Remember when multiple discs meant a game was long and amazing? Now it's something to whine about?
Still can't believe "Mandatory installs". It compliments their obnoxious eternal updates. Sorry, I'll take more disks over that situation.
I just hope the next round of consoles they don't pull this crap where there are "different models". Sony and Microsoft would have been better off just making a single device with one price (still would have sold out for months). Sony would have started making money faster by cutting the unnecessary extras in the 60GB version, and Microsoft would have all 360's with HDD's.
Still can't believe "Mandatory installs". It compliments their obnoxious eternal updates. Sorry, I'll take more disks over that situation.
I just hope the next round of consoles they don't pull this crap where there are "different models". Sony and Microsoft would have been better off just making a single device with one price (still would have sold out for months). Sony would have started making money faster by cutting the unnecessary extras in the 60GB version, and Microsoft would have all 360's with HDD's.
@Stinky
Did you forget to read the part where you NEED to install each disk to run on par with the PS3, and doing so would take 21-23 gbs? Yeah, didn't think so.
Did you forget to read the part where you NEED to install each disk to run on par with the PS3, and doing so would take 21-23 gbs? Yeah, didn't think so.
Every game I'm going to main I install on my 360. And the install time takes so little time that I can't devote myself to having fun with something else in the meanwhile. Swapping discs is also sth that isn't a damn problem. I have several games that need swapping and I'll quote some:
- Castlevania Lord of Shadows (2 discs)
- Lost Odyssey (4 discs)
- Final fantasy VII (3 discs)
- Black Dahlia (8 discs)
- Baldur's Gate 2 (4 discs)
- Infinite Undiscovery (2 discs)
They're all wonderful games.
- Castlevania Lord of Shadows (2 discs)
- Lost Odyssey (4 discs)
- Final fantasy VII (3 discs)
- Black Dahlia (8 discs)
- Baldur's Gate 2 (4 discs)
- Infinite Undiscovery (2 discs)
They're all wonderful games.
People who are under the impression that you can play Rage on the 360 without downloading it to the HD are lying to themselves...
Go try to play Tekken 6 without installing it to the HD; sure it is optional, but the game take so long to load that you would be foolish to not think it was broken.
Rage will probably be just like Tekken 6, damn near unplayable without the download to the HD.
Go try to play Tekken 6 without installing it to the HD; sure it is optional, but the game take so long to load that you would be foolish to not think it was broken.
Rage will probably be just like Tekken 6, damn near unplayable without the download to the HD.
Whats the point with the installing? I guess each disk will be 2 till 3 gb, dont act like this takes long to install.
I mean, I can just trow the disk in when I come home and do some other stuff for the few min installing.
The real Problem with pc gaming, is for myself that the Internet allways keeps me away from the games.
I mean, I can just trow the disk in when I come home and do some other stuff for the few min installing.
The real Problem with pc gaming, is for myself that the Internet allways keeps me away from the games.
"I'm starting to really struggle to find the pros of console gaming anymore."
You know what the pros are? Better Games.
You know what the pros are? Better Games.
@Master Snake
"I don't think swapping multiple discs is that bad, but having to uninstall the previous disc just to pop in the next disc to install that one? Yeah... tedious and annoying already and the game isn't even out yet."
You don't HAVE to uninstall the first. He's just saying that if you're low on disc space you can, since you won't ever need to go back to disc 1 :)
"I don't think swapping multiple discs is that bad, but having to uninstall the previous disc just to pop in the next disc to install that one? Yeah... tedious and annoying already and the game isn't even out yet."
You don't HAVE to uninstall the first. He's just saying that if you're low on disc space you can, since you won't ever need to go back to disc 1 :)
@RaelXX oh don't forget the original Baldur's Gate! That thing had this big paper case to hold around 8 disks, now that was a game! Think I still have it floating around here too.
Everyone email Nintendo to make sure that developers will never need to use hard drive installation for upcoming Wii-U console!
Even you Sony and Microsoft Fanboys! (Sony and Microsoft might invest/improve that concept if Nintendo does it first!) *shot*
But seriously I'm sorry for anyone who downloads RAGE with mild internet speed for their PC.
Even you Sony and Microsoft Fanboys! (Sony and Microsoft might invest/improve that concept if Nintendo does it first!) *shot*
But seriously I'm sorry for anyone who downloads RAGE with mild internet speed for their PC.
The only time a long install bothers me on PS3 is when the game still has long load times after being installed. I can't think of any plausible excuse for that, ever. Otherwise, I can always go find something else to do while the game installs. I find it to be a good time to go clean my kitchen or start laundry.
@Andy: Oh, ok. I consider myself corrected then. Thank goodness.
Still though, having to install each disc separately is pretty tedious-sounding.
Still though, having to install each disc separately is pretty tedious-sounding.
Not really a big deal, unless you're someone with low HDD space. I played Star Ocean 4, that's four discs, from a year ago. Granted, much of that was apparently given over to lots of voice acting and HD cutscenes, but not a big mess. The only thing that was lousy was that in order to revisit certain areas, you had to change discs.
The only fault I can make for this, being on the 360, is that this could be easily mitigated with allowing use of 3rd party hard drives. I have a 500 gb external drive connectable via USB that could be usable, but instead, it's about being locked into using their proprietary HDDs. 16 gb of storage space, MS? I can piss more than that on the morning after a solid amount of drinking from the night prior.
The only fault I can make for this, being on the 360, is that this could be easily mitigated with allowing use of 3rd party hard drives. I have a 500 gb external drive connectable via USB that could be usable, but instead, it's about being locked into using their proprietary HDDs. 16 gb of storage space, MS? I can piss more than that on the morning after a solid amount of drinking from the night prior.
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