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The R4 will not be missed.
In fact, my aunt bought my 10 year old cousin one, and I'm tempted to break it (when no one is looking) the next time that I visit. Very tempted...
In fact, my aunt bought my 10 year old cousin one, and I'm tempted to break it (when no one is looking) the next time that I visit. Very tempted...
as much as i hate how expensive ds games are, im still happy to say that ive never even considered buying one of those things
This is a conspiracy!! NINTENDO manufacture the R4 and this little move of theirs will increase sales a hundred fold! A HUNDRED FOLD I tells ya!!
SCUMMVM
Fuck you Nintendo.
Strange to see US go forward with copyright law and the UK backwards in one day. Feel like I'm in opposite land.
Fuck you Nintendo.
Strange to see US go forward with copyright law and the UK backwards in one day. Feel like I'm in opposite land.
Its about time we banned pc hard drives and DVD burners too, that way we can only get our pc games from legitimate retail stores on discs.
There is no need to read Jims articles.... You have but to look at the header images, and they will explain everything... right?
Wait... This is just the R4 as well. Mental, considering there's about 20 different flashcards on the market.
stuff like this bothers me because it cuts off all the legal homebrew opportunities. but yeah, if you just wanna pillage every single game you play, f*** you.
God we need an edit button.
Just wanted to say that the R4 is also outdated and unmaintained compared to all the others. It's like they've just gone after the biggest brand (I don't even believe official R4's are manufactured anymore, all the current ones are knock-offs)
Just wanted to say that the R4 is also outdated and unmaintained compared to all the others. It's like they've just gone after the biggest brand (I don't even believe official R4's are manufactured anymore, all the current ones are knock-offs)
I have no problem with this because it's trying to protect their products.
But some of these comments are lulz. Either way you put it, whether these people are downloading catalogs of games vs. people who generally pirate you're both doing the same thing, so let's not get superior here.
But some of these comments are lulz. Either way you put it, whether these people are downloading catalogs of games vs. people who generally pirate you're both doing the same thing, so let's not get superior here.
Not that I want to defend piracy, but in some places in the world a DS game can cost 70 USD with import taxes. Even in the UK, you can guarantee there will not be young people who work hard but earn to little to buy games?
Again, I'm not advocating piracy'm just saying that this type of card will always find its way.
Again, I'm not advocating piracy'm just saying that this type of card will always find its way.
Wow, some of you guys need the Waaaahmbulance. It's not your right to own pirating tools, it's not your right to get free DS games, it's not even your right to download copies of games you already own. It's your right as a DS owner to buy and play official DS games from official sources and in official formats.
R4 cards have no other use than PIRACY - correct me if i'm wrong.
Piracy is illegal.
I cannot fathom why they weren't illegal in the first place. It's like selling daterape, advertised as daterape, without even reminding people that Rape is illegal.
I have a buddy who in the past, would buy 5+ R4 cards, load them up with games (not even a, painstaking, lovingly downloaded Rom collection, a simple "rom collection" single torrent! and sell them for 5/6 times what he paid for the R4.
I must admit, i have borrowed one of said friends DS's complete with R4 card, but i used it to see if i wanted to buy a legit DS and to buy games for it. It did not impress me so i did not buy (Well it made me buy GTA chinatown on my PSP). Fingers crossed the 3DS will be more impressive.
@Uzeless - where do i find a bigger version of your Avatar? I just wanna see if it looks better or worse full size.
R4 cards have no other use than PIRACY - correct me if i'm wrong.
Piracy is illegal.
I cannot fathom why they weren't illegal in the first place. It's like selling daterape, advertised as daterape, without even reminding people that Rape is illegal.
I have a buddy who in the past, would buy 5+ R4 cards, load them up with games (not even a, painstaking, lovingly downloaded Rom collection, a simple "rom collection" single torrent! and sell them for 5/6 times what he paid for the R4.
I must admit, i have borrowed one of said friends DS's complete with R4 card, but i used it to see if i wanted to buy a legit DS and to buy games for it. It did not impress me so i did not buy (Well it made me buy GTA chinatown on my PSP). Fingers crossed the 3DS will be more impressive.
@Uzeless - where do i find a bigger version of your Avatar? I just wanna see if it looks better or worse full size.
Maybe these dinks can actually start buying games then. I wouldn't give two shits if you were pirating 360 or PS3 games, but DS games? That's pretty sad.
I think the best part of this story was the side advert I got, advertising DS gamecards. You fail advert, you fail miserably.
As I've understood it, part of the reason why the R4 and other flashcards have been so successful is because the portability of the DS is maximized when you have a bunch of games on a single cart.
Of course getting some hundreds of games absolutely free is also a pretty big draw too, but think about it: if I'm a gamer with a 10-game DS library and constantly use my DS while on the subway or waiting in lines, having to shuffle in my pocket/bag for the game I want takes away a lot of the quick turn-on-and-play simplicity of having a portable device.
Having a flashcard changes all that, since you can just turn the DS on, pick a game, and switch to a different game within seconds. Honestly, if the DS was a console, I think piracy wouldn't be as serious a problem as it is now. It's the fact that flashcards streamline the whole portable process that makes it such a huge draw. Alongside other more obvious reasons, of course.
Of course getting some hundreds of games absolutely free is also a pretty big draw too, but think about it: if I'm a gamer with a 10-game DS library and constantly use my DS while on the subway or waiting in lines, having to shuffle in my pocket/bag for the game I want takes away a lot of the quick turn-on-and-play simplicity of having a portable device.
Having a flashcard changes all that, since you can just turn the DS on, pick a game, and switch to a different game within seconds. Honestly, if the DS was a console, I think piracy wouldn't be as serious a problem as it is now. It's the fact that flashcards streamline the whole portable process that makes it such a huge draw. Alongside other more obvious reasons, of course.
There was also that freeware basic painting program, Colours or something - that was pretty handy - a totally legitimate use of flash carts.
Hopefully with this the prices for the actual games will come down to the equivalent of $30, because Ł30=/=$30....
...Nah, ain't gonna happen is it?
...Nah, ain't gonna happen is it?
Thing is though, DS games here do tend to be outrageously expensive. I mean, Animal Crossing (I legitimetely bought that game, and another copy for my cousin's birthday) is still about Ł30 here, maybe at the best Ł25, and that equals roughly to about 40-46 dollars. And 29 buckaroos in the States (i.e the normal cost of a DS game) equals to about Ł19 here. I mean, come on! I'm not saying piracy is good or that it is moral, but you have to admit those prices are pretty unreasonable. Plus the nearest games outlet to me is GAME. So yeah. I'm fucked when it comes to gaming.
Sexualchocolate, you are indeed wrong. The R4 can run homebrew software and can turn the DS into an mp3 player and a video player. People use the R4 and other flashcart devices to read books and other documents, there is even homebrew software allowing people to view comics on their DS. A friend of mine used to make amazing animations on a simple flipbook style homebrew animation editor.
There are multiple legitimate uses for a flash cart device. The problem lies with the users, not with the technology.
There are multiple legitimate uses for a flash cart device. The problem lies with the users, not with the technology.
@Sexualchocolate
Here is the current contents of my AceKard2i. All of the below is also compatible with the R4:
MoonShell Media Player
NDS Mail Email Client
Ace Attorney DS: Casemaker 1.1 (Honest to god, the single greatest thing on any console ever. A fairly easy to use creator for creating Phoenix Wright style games ar even just go straight in with Ace Attorney fanfic. Contains MP3, movie playback and even a motion cartridge add-on for motion enabled controls. Simply amazing)
Mario Kart Extra Tracks
A few emulators
DS Doom
SCUMMVM (Best version of Sam and Max EVER)
DSAcadamy
GeoWarsDS
And a bunch of other homebrew games. That has literally scraped the surface of all the legitamate programs you can run from this page
here
Here is the current contents of my AceKard2i. All of the below is also compatible with the R4:
MoonShell Media Player
NDS Mail Email Client
Ace Attorney DS: Casemaker 1.1 (Honest to god, the single greatest thing on any console ever. A fairly easy to use creator for creating Phoenix Wright style games ar even just go straight in with Ace Attorney fanfic. Contains MP3, movie playback and even a motion cartridge add-on for motion enabled controls. Simply amazing)
Mario Kart Extra Tracks
A few emulators
DS Doom
SCUMMVM (Best version of Sam and Max EVER)
DSAcadamy
GeoWarsDS
And a bunch of other homebrew games. That has literally scraped the surface of all the legitamate programs you can run from this page
here
@Ujn Hunter
According to the linked article, it is literally only R4's as it's an injunction against 2 individual manufacturers of them. This has not outlawed any other flashcart.
According to the linked article, it is literally only R4's as it's an injunction against 2 individual manufacturers of them. This has not outlawed any other flashcart.
Whether R4 and piracy its all part of the plan only Nintendo knows.
Nintendo and its pirates have a love hate relationship.
Pirates are like the Mafia of gaming.
They sell Nintendo consoles by stealing their games.
They will have your games available to more countries, increasing the demand & resulting to what many fanboys call "success" or "victory" - units sales & installed base.
But who suffers?
Not Nintendo but its the likes of Sega, Namco Bandai, Capcom and most of the developers.
Nintendo tried to make the Gamecube hard to pirate...result?....an all time low of around 22 million units lifetime sales... that's 50 million units shy of the Wii and 110 million units shy of the DS.
R4 is just a petty pirate to catch what about the other big time pirates?
With all its billions Nintendo can really afford a decent anti-piracy method on its system I just feel they really wanted to do it.
Just my dos centimos.
Nintendo and its pirates have a love hate relationship.
Pirates are like the Mafia of gaming.
They sell Nintendo consoles by stealing their games.
They will have your games available to more countries, increasing the demand & resulting to what many fanboys call "success" or "victory" - units sales & installed base.
But who suffers?
Not Nintendo but its the likes of Sega, Namco Bandai, Capcom and most of the developers.
Nintendo tried to make the Gamecube hard to pirate...result?....an all time low of around 22 million units lifetime sales... that's 50 million units shy of the Wii and 110 million units shy of the DS.
R4 is just a petty pirate to catch what about the other big time pirates?
With all its billions Nintendo can really afford a decent anti-piracy method on its system I just feel they really wanted to do it.
Just my dos centimos.
Joystiq says that it's not just R4 cards - it's most of the knockoff as well.
Thats a fairly different story altogether, considering *just* R4s would make no significant impact.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/28/r4-and-other-nintendo-ds-flashcarts-outlawed-in-uk/
Thats a fairly different story altogether, considering *just* R4s would make no significant impact.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/07/28/r4-and-other-nintendo-ds-flashcarts-outlawed-in-uk/
@Magnalon
They link to a different gi.biz story as well as the Develop one. The Develop one only mentions R4's and 2 manufacturers of R4's.
I'm too lazy to register with gi.biz to read their whole story, so I'm guessing they mention more or different details :)
They link to a different gi.biz story as well as the Develop one. The Develop one only mentions R4's and 2 manufacturers of R4's.
I'm too lazy to register with gi.biz to read their whole story, so I'm guessing they mention more or different details :)
I stand corrected.
Still, how many soccer moms looking for a cheap way to keep their kids quiet really want all those homebrew apps?
We're not talking a few r4 cards sold to (no offence) geeks, we're talking millions.
Still, how many soccer moms looking for a cheap way to keep their kids quiet really want all those homebrew apps?
We're not talking a few r4 cards sold to (no offence) geeks, we're talking millions.
people are so ignorant when it comes to this - my ds use is prolly in the range of 70% of the time using it with either DS colors as a portable sketchpad, running emulators, emulating the gb for LSDJ, using glitch, nitrotracker and a bunch of other homebrew and the other 30% playing actual games on it- the aim of the carts for some people may be to just pirate games but for others like me the MAIN reason to have a flashcart is to be able to run homebrew and unregistered code on it because crippling the hardware just because you can and then claiming that you don't have the right to control hardware that you own is wasteful and a little bit big brother. People can whine about pirate this and pirate that but in the end it really is the open platform that will win out and people will look back in 50 years or so and think that we were a bunch of idiots to buy in to the corporatization of thought and our snap ability to demonize people for what should be the obvious. Either that or we will continue to give up more and more control passively until the whole place is shit, but things haven't been moving in that direction.
POWDER. OMG POWDER.
Since I downloaded that one (legally) I haven't played anything else. I even sent $20 to its creator.
POWDER is AWESOME.
Since I downloaded that one (legally) I haven't played anything else. I even sent $20 to its creator.
POWDER is AWESOME.
Genuine R4's haven't been manufactured for nearly 2 years. The only R4's on the market are knock off's using the name.
I love this idea that if something's more expensive than you'd like, that makes it perfectly fine to just steal it. Outstanding logic! Feel free to apply that reasoning to other aspects of your life, and see how that works out.
@Sexualchocolate
None taken, I'm a total geek for this type of crap and have been since the PS1. You're right, there will be pirating fucktards using it.
Looking around at that homebrew reminded me that there is a device called the iplayer, which is more powerful than the R4 but doesn't run game ROMs. Still doesn't let you dump and carry your library of games unfortunatly, but if the rumored install feature on the 3DS comes to fruition, it won't be needed on that device.
None taken, I'm a total geek for this type of crap and have been since the PS1. You're right, there will be pirating fucktards using it.
Looking around at that homebrew reminded me that there is a device called the iplayer, which is more powerful than the R4 but doesn't run game ROMs. Still doesn't let you dump and carry your library of games unfortunatly, but if the rumored install feature on the 3DS comes to fruition, it won't be needed on that device.
Good riddance!!! I'm one of the few who actually bought GTA Chinatown Wars and Retro Game Challenge, and I was pretty pissed off when the latter didn't get its sequel translated because of poor sales, so I won't be crying over that piece of news to say the least!
I put most of the games I own on mine. And some roms (dtoid rated mother 3 in their top 10, how did they play it? Not in japanese I assure you). And I use it to try games, I like em I buy em. I hate em I delete em.
Amen. The 3% of people who use flashcards purely for homebrew cannot cry since they always refuse to acknowledge the other 97% who use it for (let's be honest) its intended purpose.
I live in a country where copyright laws don't even exists and therefore almost EVERYONE (save for PS3 owners) pirates games. You can buy pirated version of games from everywhere and for something like 1 buck. Getting original games is something close to impossible unless you're really rich. Also, bear in my mind that 50$ for a videogame is really a lot here, considering normal salaries and such.
So far I have imported Pokemon Diamond and I plan to import Starcraft II. To do so you need the help of someone that can go abroad because no one ever ships ANYTHING to Iran, and paypal and most other payment sites are blocked here.
So yeah, I have an r4 for my DS, and I can say that my conscience is perfectly at ease. It's not like I COULD buy the original games and I didn't want to, it's just nearly impossible for me to play anything in these conditions.
So far I have imported Pokemon Diamond and I plan to import Starcraft II. To do so you need the help of someone that can go abroad because no one ever ships ANYTHING to Iran, and paypal and most other payment sites are blocked here.
So yeah, I have an r4 for my DS, and I can say that my conscience is perfectly at ease. It's not like I COULD buy the original games and I didn't want to, it's just nearly impossible for me to play anything in these conditions.
i have stolen shit that i could afford, its not a matter of price.
i will keep downloading shit and pirate shit as much as i can, and i make a point of not paying for it if it can be had for free.
I will buy a 3ds when the equivalent of r4/acecard comes out for it, and i will steal all their new games as well. Piracy owns. I love it so much.
i will keep downloading shit and pirate shit as much as i can, and i make a point of not paying for it if it can be had for free.
I will buy a 3ds when the equivalent of r4/acecard comes out for it, and i will steal all their new games as well. Piracy owns. I love it so much.
Yes, kids, games are expensive.
When I was a kid, they cost fifty bucks a pop and releases were not weekly like they are today. If you want to "keep up" or "stay current" you'll wind up facing great expenses for doing so.
Which is why I do now what I did back them - I play what I have, play it into the ground and save for what I really want. Financially ruining yourself or stealing games just to be part of a conversation is, quite frankly, fucking stupid.
When I was a kid, they cost fifty bucks a pop and releases were not weekly like they are today. If you want to "keep up" or "stay current" you'll wind up facing great expenses for doing so.
Which is why I do now what I did back them - I play what I have, play it into the ground and save for what I really want. Financially ruining yourself or stealing games just to be part of a conversation is, quite frankly, fucking stupid.
Yes, kids, games are expensive.
When I was a kid, they cost fifty bucks a pop and releases were not weekly like they are today. If you want to "keep up" or "stay current" you'll wind up facing great expenses for doing so.
Which is why I do now what I did back them - I play what I have, play it into the ground and save for what I really want. Financially ruining yourself or stealing games just to be part of a conversation is, quite frankly, fucking stupid.
When I was a kid, they cost fifty bucks a pop and releases were not weekly like they are today. If you want to "keep up" or "stay current" you'll wind up facing great expenses for doing so.
Which is why I do now what I did back them - I play what I have, play it into the ground and save for what I really want. Financially ruining yourself or stealing games just to be part of a conversation is, quite frankly, fucking stupid.
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