games  anime  |  toys
Destructoid is gaming news, community, videos, and sometimes love. Take the tour or jump in with Facebook:

 


R4 being used by 90 percent of Americans? Is that right? photo

Unless you've had your face in a first-generation, un-backlit Gameboy Advance this whole time, you know that the R4 is an incredibly popular (and illegal) accessory for the Nintendo DS. But one newspaper says that the device may be popular than we thought, claiming that 90 percent of American DS owners may be getting their pirate on. Wait -- what?

This figure comes from The Sunday Post, a Scottish newspaper. John Hillier, Manager of ELSPA's Intellectual Property Crime Unit, was more than happy to speak up for the article.

“The implications are massive. In America it's thought 90 percent of Nintendo users are playing pirated games because of R4s,” said Hillier. “That's the real danger – you may think you're getting a good deal but using the R4 is risking the future of the games industry."

Doesn't the number seem a bit high to you? A very rough, quick poll of my friends and acquaintances gives me a figure of about 50 percent. Sure, that's a pretty high number for piracy, and I hate to think about how much money Nintendo is losing to the R4, but it's still a big difference from claiming that most of the nation is using the device.

If this is true, are you with me in the silly minority that enjoys having a collection of fine games on your shelf?

[Via StrategyInformer -- Thanks, JR]


Continue: More Piracy stories





prev
next 50 comments

126 comments | showing # 1 to 50

DeusPayne's Avatar
DeusPayne at 01/31/2008 10:36
I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt that even 90% of DS owners KNOW what an R4 is, let alone own one.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar
Mxyzptlk at 01/31/2008 10:37
I heard 90% of American DS owners have laser vision and can fly.
CaffeinePowered's Avatar
CaffeinePowered at 01/31/2008 10:38
I dont think 90% of DS owners would know how to install the software on a PC to use the R4
Gameboi's Avatar
Gameboi at 01/31/2008 10:38
Incredible, but not believable. That number is way too high. I couldn't name one person I know of that has that chip. DS games aren't that expensive, to begin with.
covah's Avatar
covah at 01/31/2008 10:38
hahah no. this is the first time I've even heard of this
Rockvillian's Avatar
Rockvillian at 01/31/2008 10:40
I only use mine for old games I already own, or old games I missed and plan to purchase without hesitation when I see it next.

Pirating DS games just for the sake of the argument, "$30 for a puny little cartridge?" is the same kind of thinking that makes people kick babies across the street without hesitation. At least, that's my opinion on the whole R4 deal.
Aerox's Avatar
Aerox at 01/31/2008 10:40
I'm the only person I know out of my group of friends that has an R4. Also considering that a big portion of the DS base are old people who have it for Brain Training, there's no way the 90% number is correct.
MechaMonkey's Avatar
MechaMonkey at 01/31/2008 10:40
A recent study out of the University of Maryland says that 90% of DS owners fight bears.
VWGTI's Avatar
VWGTI at 01/31/2008 10:40
I enjoy collecting games, as well as playing them. Forget about the R4.
nilcam's Avatar
nilcam at 01/31/2008 10:41
Of all the DS owners I know, only 1 has an R4. He uses it for import games. I prefer to own the actual copies and to support the games I love.
RedCricketChase's Avatar
RedCricketChase at 01/31/2008 10:42
I dont use an R4.. only have that Room 215 detective game for he DS tho.
chaotoroboto's Avatar
chaotoroboto at 01/31/2008 10:42
And your friends that you took a sample of are likely to be more intense gamers than the average joe, right Dale? I'd be shocked if it's even in the 10% range. What's 90% of DS US lifetime sales anyways? How many millions is that?
Kaspar's Avatar
Kaspar at 01/31/2008 10:42
I admit using it, but thats because most of the DS games are flocking impossible to find and when you do, the amount of money to give out could buy you a flight to the moon.


So I really don't feel guilty over using it...
casualweaponry's Avatar
casualweaponry at 01/31/2008 10:43
I believe it. Just take a ride on the NYC subway at morning (school) rush hour. There be pirates everywhere, yarrrrr.

Which is a shame, really. DS games aren't THAT expensive. Wouldn't mind getting one for homebrew though.
Jim Sterling's Avatar
Jim Sterling at 01/31/2008 10:43
If Nintendo released games on a timely scale in Europe, I'd feel sorry for them, but frankly, waiting several months for Pokemans on the DS makes this news fucking laughable.
oobey's Avatar
oobey at 01/31/2008 10:43
I hadn't even heard of the R4 until this post, and I've owned a DS since launch. Back to my unlit GBA, I suppose.
cquezaad's Avatar
cquezaad at 01/31/2008 10:44
%90 seems really high, I don't know anyone that has an R4.


and....i'm ashamed to say that I never even new what an R4 was until today
SubOrbital's Avatar
SubOrbital at 01/31/2008 10:44
I enjoy keeping the DS alive and supporting gaming, hence, fuck the R4.
casualweaponry's Avatar
casualweaponry at 01/31/2008 10:46
@casualweaponry:
I believe it. Just take a ride on the NYC subway at morning (school) rush hour. There be pirates everywhere, yarrrrr.

Which is a shame, really. DS games aren't THAT expensive. Wouldn't mind getting one for homebrew though.

NO you MORON,
what you really meant is that a great deal of people have them. Certainly not 90 percent, maybe 30-40 percent.
the GAMEGOBLIN's Avatar
the GAMEGOBLIN at 01/31/2008 10:47
YARRRRRRRR
Andrex's Avatar
Andrex at 01/31/2008 10:47
not true, 50% of them Still have m3 simply.. like myself =P
LordRegulus's Avatar
LordRegulus at 01/31/2008 10:48
I've always preferred owning my games. Even Steam was a tough sell for me; I guess I'm addicted to boxed product.

I have an M3Simply, which is almost exactly like the R4, and I only use it for homebrew. Lately I've been playing DScent and Secret of Monkey Island on SCUMMVM.

Also, Phidias and Colors alone make flash cards worthwhile.
Def JM's Avatar
Def JM at 01/31/2008 10:49
Yeah I perfer just buying the games. Now back to Geometry Wars Galaxies.
king3vbo's Avatar
king3vbo at 01/31/2008 10:49
I call Shenanigans.
Kryptinite's Avatar
Kryptinite at 01/31/2008 10:49
I still don't even know what it is exactly so....yeah I'm not using it curently.
Tragic Hero's Avatar
Tragic Hero at 01/31/2008 10:49
Heh, Caf wins for steriotyping the ignorance of DS users.

90% is a terribly high figure for this though.
loki d20's Avatar
loki d20 at 01/31/2008 10:50
Mxyzptlk wins *continues to laugh*

Honestly, I've heard about it once before this post and otherwise have never thought of it, nor has anyone I know that owns a DS. So... I know at least 40 people personally who play a DS and none of them use R4 or even know what it is... I must live in the 'goody-two-shoes' area of the U.S.

Total BS Statistic.
Rucksack's Avatar
Rucksack at 01/31/2008 10:51
What the fuck?

DS games are cheaply available everywhere in the US. No US citizen should need to pirate them!

To those who use it for imports- Aren't DS games region-code neutral anyway?
BaBaBaBaBirdman's Avatar
BaBaBaBaBirdman at 01/31/2008 10:52
I don't own a DS but I know I love collecting games. I absolutely love having my perfect condition Xbox game boxes and games. Also, I like to collect DVD's too. I don't do any of that burning DVD shit.
Dale North's Avatar
Dale North at 01/31/2008 10:53
@ chaotoroboto :

Yeah, my friends are all fucking nerds. Maybe I should up it to 60% just to be safe
DeusPayne's Avatar
DeusPayne at 01/31/2008 10:54
Anyone else notice that casualweaponry is arguing with himself up there? ^
Neonie's Avatar
Neonie at 01/31/2008 10:54
That figure is bull shit.

I would think the figure is more around that 90% of americans either don't know about the device or can't figure out how to get the software onto their DS. And even more so can't figure out how to get the games to work on the software to play it on their DS.
moonkid's Avatar
moonkid at 01/31/2008 10:56
It's a known fact that 10% of all American DS owners refuse to answer surveys.
wonky360's Avatar
wonky360 at 01/31/2008 10:57
R4 allows some awesome legit stuff, this being the BEST thing about the DS and Nintendo have not done it yet.

http://colors.brombra.net/index.php

I challenge you to keep your mouth from hitting the floor at what is possible on the humble DS.
EnvyMe's Avatar
EnvyMe at 01/31/2008 10:57
When my R4 arrived the package was marked "glass".
that1dood's Avatar
that1dood at 01/31/2008 10:57
I call BS. I hadn't even heard of this thing until this article. 90% is an absolutely absurd figure.
LordRegulus's Avatar
LordRegulus at 01/31/2008 10:58
@DeusPayne

Heh heh. [url=http://www.nomorelol.com/]LOI[/i].

@casualweaponry

O I C WUT U DID THAR.
njsykora's Avatar
njsykora at 01/31/2008 10:58
Don't own an R4, don't want one. There's no way even 50% own one.
freeman1's Avatar
freeman1 at 01/31/2008 10:58
I don't think it's even 50%. I bet 50% of Americans who own a DS don't even know what an R4 is.
bigfatton's Avatar
bigfatton at 01/31/2008 10:59
I rock an R4, but I know very few other DS owners who even know that it such a device exists. 90% is a pretty ridiculous number to say
BS3 Owner's Avatar
BS3 Owner at 01/31/2008 10:59
@ the game goblin

You beat me to it!

: P
razerangel's Avatar
razerangel at 01/31/2008 11:00
The first mistake you made there Dale was taking ANYTHING from The Sunday Post. It's the worst paper of it's kind because it doesn't realise it's bad and pretends like it a broadsheet. Generally it is full of uninformed or biased pieces and I have never touched it in about 3 years because of that!
shipero's Avatar
shipero at 01/31/2008 11:00
Maybe he means that 90% of people pirateing games on the DS use the R4 to do so.
Justice's Avatar
Justice at 01/31/2008 11:00
Nah, I'm more of an M3 man myself
LordRegulus's Avatar
LordRegulus at 01/31/2008 11:01
Jesus, I fail. LOI.
that1dood's Avatar
that1dood at 01/31/2008 11:01
I also think it's a safe assumption that if a good chunk of commentors on this blog haven't heard of this thing... your everyday Joe or Jill with a DS isn't going to have any clue what it is either.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar
CelicaCrazed at 01/31/2008 11:01
Yay I'm not a conformist!!
Mxyzptlk's Avatar
Mxyzptlk at 01/31/2008 11:03
@ wonky360: I can't draw worth a damn myself, but I so want an R4 just for that program. The kid loves doodling in Pictochat.
Petrie's Avatar
Petrie at 01/31/2008 11:05
You guys aren't actually reading the original article are you? It is mis-titled, but the article actually says that 90% of pirates on the DS are using the R4, not that 90% of DS users pirate using the R4.

So most of the small portion of the populous that pirates uses the R4, not too unbelievable.
MaxVest's Avatar
MaxVest at 01/31/2008 11:06
9% I might believe. No, that would mean there are 2 million R4s out there. Still too high.

I heard 90% of DS owners have held a sparrow in their hands to feel its tiny rapid heartbeat, and then crushed it for sheer amusement.
prev next 50 comments

Comment with Facebook





Click connect and comment instantly!

Comment with Dtoid





New? SIGN UP - it takes 5 seconds

Comments policy

Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just speak your mind. We respect differing opinions on the site, so have at it. Be smart, funny, insightful, clueless, or cute -- but back it up with substance. Keep your cool, keep it fun. We only ask that you act respectfully and above all: don't be a troll and ruin it for everyone else. Don't bring down gamers or we'll, you know, gently shoot you in the face and stuff you into a flaming mailbox. Each comment is your opportuntity to make this community awesomer. Is that even a word?

Avoiding the banhammer only requires common sense: spamming, trolling, racism, NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated. If anyone is griefing please report abuse. Be good. Don't suck!

 
New on Destructoid.TV play all videos

Loading
Loading Destructoid Videos




    Win this!
    Reminder: We're giving away six copies of Magnacarta 2!



    Dtoid Twitter    Got news?   tips@destructoid.com

    Reviews & Previews
    Mahjongg Artifacts 2 review
    Dragon Age: Origins review
    Lost Winds: The Winter of the Melodias review
    Osmos review
    Space Invaders Extreme 2 review
    Half-Minute Hero review
    JU-ON: The Grudge review
    Kenka Bancho: Badass Rumble review
    Thexder Neo review
    Domino Rally review
    more reviews
    PS3's 256-player MAG
    Rooms The Main Building
    Skate 3
    Hudson's bringing back the Bonk
    James Cameron's Avatar
    Bomberman Battlefest
    Calling
    Bad Company 2's multiplayer
    Partying like it's 1959 in BioShock 2's multiplayer
    BioShock 2 through the eyes of Big Daddy
    more previews


    - The Dtoid Army is 49603 strong -

    Showing Cblogs with 3+ faps   show all

    Call for entries: do the wrong thing

    New to Dtoid? Read the survival guide




     Originals
    Jim Sterling: How to respond to a videogame review





















    More Destructoid Originals




     Popular now more
























    Destructoid's editorial lovefest is:
    Nick Chester
    Editor-in-Chief
    Jim Sterling
    Reviews Editor
    Dale North
    News Editor
    Hamza Aziz
    Community Manager
    Anthony Burch
    Features Editor
    Rey Gutierrez
    Video editor & director
    Niero
    Founder, publisher
    Letters to the editors
    tips@destructoid.com
    Associate Editors
    Ashley Davis Jonathan Holmes
    Brad Nicholson Jonathan Ross
    Brad Rice Jordan Devore
    Chad Concelmo Matthew Razak
    Colette Bennett Tom Fronczak
    Conrad Zimmerman Topher Cantler
    Dyson Samit Sarkar
    Contributors
    Adam Dork
    Ben Perlee
    Daniel Lingen
    Joseph Leray
    Joe Burling
    Mikey
    Will Maddock
    Stella Wong





     

     
      get involved

    register or login
    post a blog
    post a forum
    enter a contest
    contribute a news tip
    suggest a feature
    be a guest editor
    support

    new member's guide
    login assistance
    tech support
    report abuse
    email our editors
    read our dev blog
    nuclear crisis?
    keep in touch

    RSS feed
    Twitter
    Facebook
    Myspace
    Flickr
    Game nights
    Meetup+play online
    seriously

    about Destructoid
    advertising
    terms of use
    privacy policy
    jobs at MM
    buy our crap
    our network

    Tomopop
    Japanator
    Despingation?




    Destructoid is an independently-run publication forged by our love of video games and the gaming community's need of accountable enthusiast press
    living the dream since March 16, 2006