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R4 being used by 90 percent of Americans? Is that right? photo

Unless you've had your face in a first-generation, un-backlit Gameboy Advance this whole time, you know that the R4 is an incredibly popular (and illegal) accessory for the Nintendo DS. But one newspaper says that the device may be popular than we thought, claiming that 90 percent of American DS owners may be getting their pirate on. Wait -- what?

This figure comes from The Sunday Post, a Scottish newspaper. John Hillier, Manager of ELSPA's Intellectual Property Crime Unit, was more than happy to speak up for the article.

“The implications are massive. In America it's thought 90 percent of Nintendo users are playing pirated games because of R4s,” said Hillier. “That's the real danger – you may think you're getting a good deal but using the R4 is risking the future of the games industry."

Doesn't the number seem a bit high to you? A very rough, quick poll of my friends and acquaintances gives me a figure of about 50 percent. Sure, that's a pretty high number for piracy, and I hate to think about how much money Nintendo is losing to the R4, but it's still a big difference from claiming that most of the nation is using the device.

If this is true, are you with me in the silly minority that enjoys having a collection of fine games on your shelf?

[Via StrategyInformer -- Thanks, JR]








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DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:36
DeusPayne
I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt that even 90% of DS owners KNOW what an R4 is, let alone own one.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:37
Aaron Mxy Yost
I heard 90% of American DS owners have laser vision and can fly.
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:38
CaffeinePowered
I dont think 90% of DS owners would know how to install the software on a PC to use the R4
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:38
Gameboi
Incredible, but not believable. That number is way too high. I couldn't name one person I know of that has that chip. DS games aren't that expensive, to begin with.
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:38
covah
hahah no. this is the first time I've even heard of this
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:40
Rockvillian
I only use mine for old games I already own, or old games I missed and plan to purchase without hesitation when I see it next.

Pirating DS games just for the sake of the argument, "$30 for a puny little cartridge?" is the same kind of thinking that makes people kick babies across the street without hesitation. At least, that's my opinion on the whole R4 deal.
Aerox's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:40
Aerox
I'm the only person I know out of my group of friends that has an R4. Also considering that a big portion of the DS base are old people who have it for Brain Training, there's no way the 90% number is correct.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:40
MechaMonkey
A recent study out of the University of Maryland says that 90% of DS owners fight bears.
VWGTI's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:40
VWGTI
I enjoy collecting games, as well as playing them. Forget about the R4.
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:41
nilcam
Of all the DS owners I know, only 1 has an R4. He uses it for import games. I prefer to own the actual copies and to support the games I love.
RedCricketChase's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:42
RedCricketChase
I dont use an R4.. only have that Room 215 detective game for he DS tho.
chaotoroboto's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:42
chaotoroboto
And your friends that you took a sample of are likely to be more intense gamers than the average joe, right Dale? I'd be shocked if it's even in the 10% range. What's 90% of DS US lifetime sales anyways? How many millions is that?
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:42
Kaspar
I admit using it, but thats because most of the DS games are flocking impossible to find and when you do, the amount of money to give out could buy you a flight to the moon.


So I really don't feel guilty over using it...
casualweaponry's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:43
casualweaponry
I believe it. Just take a ride on the NYC subway at morning (school) rush hour. There be pirates everywhere, yarrrrr.

Which is a shame, really. DS games aren't THAT expensive. Wouldn't mind getting one for homebrew though.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:43
Jim Sterling
If Nintendo released games on a timely scale in Europe, I'd feel sorry for them, but frankly, waiting several months for Pokemans on the DS makes this news fucking laughable.
oobey's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:43
oobey
I hadn't even heard of the R4 until this post, and I've owned a DS since launch. Back to my unlit GBA, I suppose.
cquezaad's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:44
cquezaad
%90 seems really high, I don't know anyone that has an R4.


and....i'm ashamed to say that I never even new what an R4 was until today
SubOrbital's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:44
SubOrbital
I enjoy keeping the DS alive and supporting gaming, hence, fuck the R4.
casualweaponry's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:46
casualweaponry
@casualweaponry:
I believe it. Just take a ride on the NYC subway at morning (school) rush hour. There be pirates everywhere, yarrrrr.

Which is a shame, really. DS games aren't THAT expensive. Wouldn't mind getting one for homebrew though.

NO you MORON,
what you really meant is that a great deal of people have them. Certainly not 90 percent, maybe 30-40 percent.
the GAMEGOBLIN's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:47
the GAMEGOBLIN
YARRRRRRRR
Andrex's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:47
Andrex
not true, 50% of them Still have m3 simply.. like myself =P
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:48
LordRegulus
I've always preferred owning my games. Even Steam was a tough sell for me; I guess I'm addicted to boxed product.

I have an M3Simply, which is almost exactly like the R4, and I only use it for homebrew. Lately I've been playing DScent and Secret of Monkey Island on SCUMMVM.

Also, Phidias and Colors alone make flash cards worthwhile.
Def JM's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:49
Def JM
Yeah I perfer just buying the games. Now back to Geometry Wars Galaxies.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:49
king3vbo
I call Shenanigans.
Kryptinite's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:49
Kryptinite
I still don't even know what it is exactly so....yeah I'm not using it curently.
Tragic Hero's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:49
Tragic Hero
Heh, Caf wins for steriotyping the ignorance of DS users.

90% is a terribly high figure for this though.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:50
loki d20
Mxyzptlk wins *continues to laugh*

Honestly, I've heard about it once before this post and otherwise have never thought of it, nor has anyone I know that owns a DS. So... I know at least 40 people personally who play a DS and none of them use R4 or even know what it is... I must live in the 'goody-two-shoes' area of the U.S.

Total BS Statistic.
Rucksack's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:51
Rucksack
What the fuck?

DS games are cheaply available everywhere in the US. No US citizen should need to pirate them!

To those who use it for imports- Aren't DS games region-code neutral anyway?
BaBaBaBaBirdman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:52
BaBaBaBaBirdman
I don't own a DS but I know I love collecting games. I absolutely love having my perfect condition Xbox game boxes and games. Also, I like to collect DVD's too. I don't do any of that burning DVD shit.
Dale North's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:53
Dale North
@ chaotoroboto :

Yeah, my friends are all fucking nerds. Maybe I should up it to 60% just to be safe
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:54
DeusPayne
Anyone else notice that casualweaponry is arguing with himself up there? ^
Neonie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:54
Neonie
That figure is bull shit.

I would think the figure is more around that 90% of americans either don't know about the device or can't figure out how to get the software onto their DS. And even more so can't figure out how to get the games to work on the software to play it on their DS.
moonkid's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:56
moonkid
It's a known fact that 10% of all American DS owners refuse to answer surveys.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:57
wonky360
R4 allows some awesome legit stuff, this being the BEST thing about the DS and Nintendo have not done it yet.

http://colors.brombra.net/index.php

I challenge you to keep your mouth from hitting the floor at what is possible on the humble DS.
EnvyMe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:57
EnvyMe
When my R4 arrived the package was marked "glass".
that1dood's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:57
that1dood
I call BS. I hadn't even heard of this thing until this article. 90% is an absolutely absurd figure.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:58
LordRegulus
@DeusPayne

Heh heh. [url=http://www.nomorelol.com/]LOI[/i].

@casualweaponry

O I C WUT U DID THAR.
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:58
njsykora
Don't own an R4, don't want one. There's no way even 50% own one.
freeman1's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:58
freeman1
I don't think it's even 50%. I bet 50% of Americans who own a DS don't even know what an R4 is.
bigfatton's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:59
bigfatton
I rock an R4, but I know very few other DS owners who even know that it such a device exists. 90% is a pretty ridiculous number to say
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 10:59
BS3 Owner
@ the game goblin

You beat me to it!

: P
razerangel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:00
razerangel
The first mistake you made there Dale was taking ANYTHING from The Sunday Post. It's the worst paper of it's kind because it doesn't realise it's bad and pretends like it a broadsheet. Generally it is full of uninformed or biased pieces and I have never touched it in about 3 years because of that!
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:00
shipero
Maybe he means that 90% of people pirateing games on the DS use the R4 to do so.
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:00
Justice
Nah, I'm more of an M3 man myself
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:01
LordRegulus
Jesus, I fail. LOI.
that1dood's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:01
that1dood
I also think it's a safe assumption that if a good chunk of commentors on this blog haven't heard of this thing... your everyday Joe or Jill with a DS isn't going to have any clue what it is either.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:01
CelicaCrazed
Yay I'm not a conformist!!
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:03
Aaron Mxy Yost
@ wonky360: I can't draw worth a damn myself, but I so want an R4 just for that program. The kid loves doodling in Pictochat.
Petrie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:05
Petrie
You guys aren't actually reading the original article are you? It is mis-titled, but the article actually says that 90% of pirates on the DS are using the R4, not that 90% of DS users pirate using the R4.

So most of the small portion of the populous that pirates uses the R4, not too unbelievable.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/31/2008 11:06
MaxVest
9% I might believe. No, that would mean there are 2 million R4s out there. Still too high.

I heard 90% of DS owners have held a sparrow in their hands to feel its tiny rapid heartbeat, and then crushed it for sheer amusement.
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