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"In 2004, Doom 3 was a disappointment."
Nope. It was excellent, tense and moody if not really very scary, and so ahead of its time visually that it looks great even today 8 years later.
Of course it wasn't the mindless bulletfest the first two games were, but it was never trying to be. Rather it was an homage to movies like Alien(s) and Event Horizon that sci-fi fans and gamers alike can instantly recognize and enjoy. On that front it was an unqualified success. id software were the creators, innovators and masters of the fps. Doom 3 shows that mastery.
Nope. It was excellent, tense and moody if not really very scary, and so ahead of its time visually that it looks great even today 8 years later.
Of course it wasn't the mindless bulletfest the first two games were, but it was never trying to be. Rather it was an homage to movies like Alien(s) and Event Horizon that sci-fi fans and gamers alike can instantly recognize and enjoy. On that front it was an unqualified success. id software were the creators, innovators and masters of the fps. Doom 3 shows that mastery.
"In 2004, Doom 3 was a disappointment."
Wasnt there another destructoid article talking about how much they liked Doom 3.
In any case i agree with everyone else. Doom 3 was fantastic when it came out. Sorry you were expecting something different I guess?
Wasnt there another destructoid article talking about how much they liked Doom 3.
In any case i agree with everyone else. Doom 3 was fantastic when it came out. Sorry you were expecting something different I guess?
"Disappointment doesn't = sucks"
I know dude. Didn't mean to imply differently. Just disagree with your assessment, and I don't wanna get into a dick measuring contest with you about Doom 1&2 fandom but I assure you I'm right there with you. Two of the best games ever made.
Thing is, you can't keep doing the same thing over and over with the same game. id went a different direction with Doom 3 and found success with that. Sure it's not what we were used to but that doesn't automatically make it bad, or even necessarily disappointing. It took balls to do what they did with Doom 3 and I respect them both for the risk and the rousing success that resulted from it.
Besides, we've got Serious Sam, Painkiller and Hard Reset to scratch that arena shooter itch.
I know dude. Didn't mean to imply differently. Just disagree with your assessment, and I don't wanna get into a dick measuring contest with you about Doom 1&2 fandom but I assure you I'm right there with you. Two of the best games ever made.
Thing is, you can't keep doing the same thing over and over with the same game. id went a different direction with Doom 3 and found success with that. Sure it's not what we were used to but that doesn't automatically make it bad, or even necessarily disappointing. It took balls to do what they did with Doom 3 and I respect them both for the risk and the rousing success that resulted from it.
Besides, we've got Serious Sam, Painkiller and Hard Reset to scratch that arena shooter itch.
I anticipate this. If my buddy will scream playing Doom 1 Co-Op on XBLA at nothing but a moving roof, I'm going to have a hell of a time playing this with him.
I came in here with the intention of quoting the first sentence and then crying foul, but it looks like I was beaten to the boner punch. Carry on!
Shit
You guys are making me want to buy Doom 3 now
Which isn't such a bad idea considering the sales
You guys are making me want to buy Doom 3 now
Which isn't such a bad idea considering the sales
"In 2004, Doom 3 was a disappointment."
yeah it only got an 87% on metacritic, total bummer.
i do understand that people had high expectations at the time, but as someone that played it in 2004 i can say with confidence that most people, including myself, were hyped for the game, and although there were gripes (flashlight, cheap scares) the game was a major hit.
bad way to start an article that was otherwise okay.
yeah it only got an 87% on metacritic, total bummer.
i do understand that people had high expectations at the time, but as someone that played it in 2004 i can say with confidence that most people, including myself, were hyped for the game, and although there were gripes (flashlight, cheap scares) the game was a major hit.
bad way to start an article that was otherwise okay.
If you were actually looking for a follow up to Final Doom? Sure. You were disappointed. Calling that game "the third Doom game" is kind of disingenuous.
It was, however, by no means a disappointment as far as general GAMES are concerned. I have a hunch I'll feel the same way about Prey 2. As a sequel to Prey 1, it will likely disappointment me because it's not really a sequel. As a game in and of itself, it looks fucking awesome thus far.
tl;dr allistair dislikes about things on the internet
Also: I can't remember the last time I flat out agreed with Tristix. This is really strange.
It was, however, by no means a disappointment as far as general GAMES are concerned. I have a hunch I'll feel the same way about Prey 2. As a sequel to Prey 1, it will likely disappointment me because it's not really a sequel. As a game in and of itself, it looks fucking awesome thus far.
tl;dr allistair dislikes about things on the internet
Also: I can't remember the last time I flat out agreed with Tristix. This is really strange.
One thing that toke me till now to realize is that Doom 3 is just like RAGE, when it comes to how it was received. People expected one thing, but the game was another thing they didn't expect, even though that thing was REALLY well done. But since it wasn't what people expected, it's terrible to them.
I think Allistair is becoming more infamous for unpopular opinions than the exalted Jimmy around these parts. Needless to say, Doom 3 was not a disappointment. It sold well, it was critically well-received, it still has a pretty decent online and modding community, and fans loved it. It was the shooter that me into shooters as well.
lol @ "forcing commonplace views", almost sounds like you're insulting us because we misinterpreted your writing. you went on to say that you didn't play the game till 2008, so it's hardly obvious you were stating your own opinion.
then again, it's not us writing articles on the internet so what do we know? :/
then again, it's not us writing articles on the internet so what do we know? :/
Doom 3 sucked pretty bad. I didn't like it at all, other than for it's difficulty. Still, Hell was the best part of the game, so if the Lost Mission is just like that, then I'm set.
I agree it was a disappointment, and even as a non Doom game it would still have been not so great. I like the flashlight.. I don't remember it that well as it's been awhile, but I didn't really care for the story or the style of it at all.
@psycho terror: a little sensitive aren't you? Jesus. Don't read so deep into stuff.
@psycho terror: a little sensitive aren't you? Jesus. Don't read so deep into stuff.
Agree with Tristix(WTF?), Doom3 was excellent. The re-release is nowhere near worth $40, but it's industry standard to price your games well above the value of the content. Can't wait to pick it up for $20.
You know that Half-life,Quake,Doom,Portal,WoW etc,yeah they all sucked balls,did anyone even buy that shit?
Dissapointment? WRONG. It's an opinion? STILL WRONG.
Maybe it's because I was pretty young when I first played Doom, but I never first saw it as a fast and frantic game like whoever wrote this article. I remember I had to play the game with my brother; he would do the moving about and everything, I would have my finger on the CTRL button to do the shooting.
We would slowly and cautiously move through every area; we would always turn the music off as it made things too atmospheric, too creepy and scary. We would sit there stunned as we saw corpses waving about, pinned to the wall. I'm pretty sure we played with the SFX turned off at first aswell? Even the digital tones coming from old computers and MS DOS freaked the shit out of us.
We were so scared, we never played the game WITHOUT God Mode on... and it still scared us.
When we would hear a wall moving as we pressed a switch, we shit ourselves. When we first saw a new enemy, we were terrified. Seeing the Cyberdemon or Spider Mastermind for the first time? HELLO, FEAR. And the ending with the rabbit heads on sticks? JEEZ.
We were pretty grossed out and showed our auntie who was disgusted and shocked.
It wasn't until YEEAAARSS later when in high school that a few friends and I got Doom for our GBAs and would play cooperative that I saw the fast paced side of Doom. But for me, it's always been a franchise that scared the crap out of me, so Doom 3 felt perfectly in line with what it had always been.
To not expect some evolution or shifts after like, 10 years is simply idiotic. Double standards to look at Quake 1 and then LOVE Quake 4 which is pretty different and doesn't live up to the same standards as the first game.
I love that Doom 3 can be the "slow methodical shooter that leaned on its horror elements" in the face of Call of Duty-esque bullshit including the Resident Evil series which has shunned all that and become a fast paced, generic third person shooter that DOESN'T lean on its horror elements at all.
ID has always done something special with its FPS (usually). It did that with Doom and Doom 2. And then it stepped the fuck up with Doom 3, too.
If I could pick a direction for the Doom franchise; a speedy, over the top death fest where you can pick up a chainsaw and dig it into soldiers (basically Serious Sam and countless other games out there now)...
... or the ridiculously atmospheric, creepy, tense game that Doom 3 is, I know what I'm going to pick. You want heritage? Christ man, Doom and Doom 2 didn't have a whole lot to work with, of course the game was going to be the way it was.
Times have changed, ID wanted more substance. Gone are the days of stitching together basic textures and map methods. BLAH.
Maybe it's because I was pretty young when I first played Doom, but I never first saw it as a fast and frantic game like whoever wrote this article. I remember I had to play the game with my brother; he would do the moving about and everything, I would have my finger on the CTRL button to do the shooting.
We would slowly and cautiously move through every area; we would always turn the music off as it made things too atmospheric, too creepy and scary. We would sit there stunned as we saw corpses waving about, pinned to the wall. I'm pretty sure we played with the SFX turned off at first aswell? Even the digital tones coming from old computers and MS DOS freaked the shit out of us.
We were so scared, we never played the game WITHOUT God Mode on... and it still scared us.
When we would hear a wall moving as we pressed a switch, we shit ourselves. When we first saw a new enemy, we were terrified. Seeing the Cyberdemon or Spider Mastermind for the first time? HELLO, FEAR. And the ending with the rabbit heads on sticks? JEEZ.
We were pretty grossed out and showed our auntie who was disgusted and shocked.
It wasn't until YEEAAARSS later when in high school that a few friends and I got Doom for our GBAs and would play cooperative that I saw the fast paced side of Doom. But for me, it's always been a franchise that scared the crap out of me, so Doom 3 felt perfectly in line with what it had always been.
To not expect some evolution or shifts after like, 10 years is simply idiotic. Double standards to look at Quake 1 and then LOVE Quake 4 which is pretty different and doesn't live up to the same standards as the first game.
I love that Doom 3 can be the "slow methodical shooter that leaned on its horror elements" in the face of Call of Duty-esque bullshit including the Resident Evil series which has shunned all that and become a fast paced, generic third person shooter that DOESN'T lean on its horror elements at all.
ID has always done something special with its FPS (usually). It did that with Doom and Doom 2. And then it stepped the fuck up with Doom 3, too.
If I could pick a direction for the Doom franchise; a speedy, over the top death fest where you can pick up a chainsaw and dig it into soldiers (basically Serious Sam and countless other games out there now)...
... or the ridiculously atmospheric, creepy, tense game that Doom 3 is, I know what I'm going to pick. You want heritage? Christ man, Doom and Doom 2 didn't have a whole lot to work with, of course the game was going to be the way it was.
Times have changed, ID wanted more substance. Gone are the days of stitching together basic textures and map methods. BLAH.
Oh man was quake 4 a steaming pile of shite!
Doom 3 though was fantastic, I went in as a huge doom fan and left utterly satisfied. Ill be picking this up again for sure.
Doom 3 though was fantastic, I went in as a huge doom fan and left utterly satisfied. Ill be picking this up again for sure.
Quake 4... now there's a game that would deserve to be called disappointing. It wasn't a bad game by any means (I quite enjoyed it actually) but in no way does it even begin to compare to Quake 1 and 2.
Srsly though, opinions, Allistair. Rock on with them. Keep on fighting that good fight and dropping those truth bombs. Damn the man.
...although how you can say "In 2004, Doom 3 was a disappointment" when you didn't even bother playing it till 2008 is a bit perplexing...
Srsly though, opinions, Allistair. Rock on with them. Keep on fighting that good fight and dropping those truth bombs. Damn the man.
...although how you can say "In 2004, Doom 3 was a disappointment" when you didn't even bother playing it till 2008 is a bit perplexing...
Yeah, Quake 4 was pretty bad, too. I still kind of enjoyed it and liked it more than Doom 3, but maybe that was because of how much Doom 3 disappointed me.
"Doom 3 was a disappointment, [therefore] I had zero interest in playing it upon release."
So "upon release" in 2004, you were "disappointed" by Doom 3, even though you had not played it? Am I reading that right?
Were you too busy in 2004 reviewing movies you had not seen?
So "upon release" in 2004, you were "disappointed" by Doom 3, even though you had not played it? Am I reading that right?
Were you too busy in 2004 reviewing movies you had not seen?
YEa i definitely played different doom games than this reviewer... Doom was always about tight corridors, small amounts of enemies, enemies jumping out where you don;t expect them, getting creeped out buy lost soul sounds. Doom 3 made it even better with the whole flashlight or gun situation. I love DOOM BECAUSE of its slower pace. I wonder how old this reviewer is because I honestly dont think we played the same doom 1 2 or 3... Cant wait for BFG. including the XBLA doom 1 and 2 is GREAT because i never got those and would love to play doom 2 online.
wasn't a disappointmen, you turkey. has an 88% metacritic score and sold millions of copies.
also, i love how you were apparently let down by something in 2004 that you didn't actually experience until 2008. how do you have a job as a writer...?
also, i love how you were apparently let down by something in 2004 that you didn't actually experience until 2008. how do you have a job as a writer...?
"In 2004, Doom 3 was a disappointment."
As if. The game rocked. So what if it wasn't as fast paced as the previous installments. I prefer a horror game that takes enough time to try and scare me.
As if. The game rocked. So what if it wasn't as fast paced as the previous installments. I prefer a horror game that takes enough time to try and scare me.
Doom 3 was and still is excellent as far as I'm concerned. Gotta stick up for one of my top horror experiences.
Doom 3 was and still is excellent as far as I'm concerned. Gotta stick up for one of my top horror experiences.
I played the first few stages of Doom 3 on my roommate's computer, in the dark, with headphones on, so the atmosphere of the game was really tense and I clicked the mouse trigger more than once at random background noise. I enjoyed what I saw of it, but people I knew were pretty down on the game and they told me Quake 4 was better. Earlier this year I found the 360 copy of Quake 4 at gamestop for 5 bucks. When I saw that it also included Quake 2, I bought it on the spot. Ultimately however, I realized that I sort of hated Quake 4. It's enemies were cheap, dumb bastards and more importantly, I didn't like the visual design as much as I expected, being a fan of that sort of thing. I eagerly await Doom 3 and hope I enjoy it more. The end.
Doom 3 was horrifically overrated.
It should have been called "Doom 3: Go through every door slow and you'll rarely get scared."
It should have been called "Doom 3: Go through every door slow and you'll rarely get scared."
I played Doom 3 on release. Basically don't recall much of anything about the game now...
I definitely remember playing it to completion and it being creepy, but also it leaving quite a sour taste.
But yeah, whatever it was, it was not memorable to me in the slightest.
AND THAT'S MY 2012 REVIEW OF DOOM 3.
I definitely remember playing it to completion and it being creepy, but also it leaving quite a sour taste.
But yeah, whatever it was, it was not memorable to me in the slightest.
AND THAT'S MY 2012 REVIEW OF DOOM 3.
Yeah, Quake 4 was good too. Not Quake 2 caliber, but still good.
Speaking of which, I'd love to see the "story" of Quake 1 fleshed out in a sequel. I love the Strogg and all, but the Gothic-ish setting of the original was awesome, as was the weapon and enemy design.
Speaking of which, I'd love to see the "story" of Quake 1 fleshed out in a sequel. I love the Strogg and all, but the Gothic-ish setting of the original was awesome, as was the weapon and enemy design.
Hmmmm.....Now as others have already said, Doom 3 was crazy amazing, but also 2008!? You ever think how your reaction would have been in 2004 before anything like it had been released? This was before Bioshock, Condemned, Prey, and Metro 2033. Of course you were disappointed! You were 4 years too late! You should have said, "I personally found Doom 3 disappointed, though I didn't actually play it until 2008."
"I strive for honesty, not forcing commonplace views into my writing...
For me (and my circle of friends), Doom 3 was a disappointment"
Yes, for you and your friends. Not for a lot of players, or much of the press. The way your introduction was worded it sounds like you're stating historical fact, when you're really taking about your own opinion. THAT'S what's pissed people off, because it makes you sounds like you didn't have any interest in how Doom 3 was received on a larger scale and didn't research the reaction at the time. And being honest's lovely and all, but it's no excuse for passing off speculation as fact. Or is that being too 'commonplace'?
For me (and my circle of friends), Doom 3 was a disappointment"
Yes, for you and your friends. Not for a lot of players, or much of the press. The way your introduction was worded it sounds like you're stating historical fact, when you're really taking about your own opinion. THAT'S what's pissed people off, because it makes you sounds like you didn't have any interest in how Doom 3 was received on a larger scale and didn't research the reaction at the time. And being honest's lovely and all, but it's no excuse for passing off speculation as fact. Or is that being too 'commonplace'?
Doom 3 was one of the best received games of it's time. The author's statement implied that the disappointment sentiment was universally shared by the gaming community. If he would have said that the game was a disappointment to him, that would have been acceptable.
I loved Doom 3. I do remember some people being disappointed that it wasn't more like the first two games, but I recall it being generally very well received.
I still look to it for inspiration in crafting moody, atmospheric environments (even tho it leaned on the "monster in a closet" gimmick so often that by the end of my first playthrough I was able to guess where they'd spawn often enough that I was shooting imps dead before the door had completely opened or their teleport effect had finished fizzling out, which made me feel like I was channeling Bruce Campbell.)
I'm looking forward to this. Still tempted to spring for the Oculus kickstarter.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game
I still look to it for inspiration in crafting moody, atmospheric environments (even tho it leaned on the "monster in a closet" gimmick so often that by the end of my first playthrough I was able to guess where they'd spawn often enough that I was shooting imps dead before the door had completely opened or their teleport effect had finished fizzling out, which made me feel like I was channeling Bruce Campbell.)
I'm looking forward to this. Still tempted to spring for the Oculus kickstarter.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-step-into-the-game
I remember seeing the hype for Doom 3 (and playing it) back in 2004. I picked it up based on a glowing PC Gamer review. Was awesome then, still awesome today.
I never actually played Doom 3, I was going to get it while it was $5 on Steam the other day but then I figured I'd wait for this.
disappointment? I'm sorry, but Doom 3 is one of the best, most fun and atmospheric FPS games ever created. nobody ever made anything like that before and nobody made anything like it after.
I'm saying this as a fan of Doom 1 and 2. but if you remove the pink glasses, Doom1&2 are old. they're old school, yes, but their legacy carried on with Quake, Duke Nukem (not Forever), Serious Sam and Painkiller.
Doom 3 managed to deliver a great story IF you wanted to follow it (you could easily just ignore it and even kill EVERY SINGLE NPC in the game), it managed to deliver some great shooting (the guns had an awesome 'umph' feeling), and managed to scare you - not just with jump scares, but with great atmosphere.
it's also visually stunning to this very day, especially when modded properly.
oh and by the way, plenty of mods delivering the old school gameplay, even direct Doom 1&2 remakes.
it's also old school no matter how you deny it. healthpacks, armor pieces, a crapload of weapons, a demand of the player's agility as much as aim and twitch reflexes... and it's difficult. good luck playing it on Nightmare.
if you remove the nostalgia factor and try to appreciate Doom 3 for what it is, you'll be in for a LOT of fun.
I'm saying this as a fan of Doom 1 and 2. but if you remove the pink glasses, Doom1&2 are old. they're old school, yes, but their legacy carried on with Quake, Duke Nukem (not Forever), Serious Sam and Painkiller.
Doom 3 managed to deliver a great story IF you wanted to follow it (you could easily just ignore it and even kill EVERY SINGLE NPC in the game), it managed to deliver some great shooting (the guns had an awesome 'umph' feeling), and managed to scare you - not just with jump scares, but with great atmosphere.
it's also visually stunning to this very day, especially when modded properly.
oh and by the way, plenty of mods delivering the old school gameplay, even direct Doom 1&2 remakes.
it's also old school no matter how you deny it. healthpacks, armor pieces, a crapload of weapons, a demand of the player's agility as much as aim and twitch reflexes... and it's difficult. good luck playing it on Nightmare.
if you remove the nostalgia factor and try to appreciate Doom 3 for what it is, you'll be in for a LOT of fun.
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