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Boo-effing-hooo. I worked QA for years. It is hard work, long hours and often not treated on the same level as other developers. GET OVER IT! If you don't like it, get another job. Pussy.
@Fearzone
Clearly you are someone who has never had a job or have moved to an area for a certain job. You can't just "quit" a job and have zero repercussions on future employment or more importantly, current bills+finances to pay.
This is almost as stupid of a thing to say as "Well if you don't like living in X, then move somewhere else!". It is never that easy, otherwise people would be migrating in an out of places all the time. And gypsies don't count.
@MC Wacker
Wow, most retarded comment I've heard all day. QA work is far from playing video games all day, and even if it was, it is still a basic work right to get the legal amount of breaks in, and being paid for all work. QA is a long hard job of doing repetitive bug testing and trying to break things and writing reports. It's not "playing video games" by any means, its doing shit like running into walls for 6 months straght and writing a paper about it.
Clearly you are someone who has never had a job or have moved to an area for a certain job. You can't just "quit" a job and have zero repercussions on future employment or more importantly, current bills+finances to pay.
This is almost as stupid of a thing to say as "Well if you don't like living in X, then move somewhere else!". It is never that easy, otherwise people would be migrating in an out of places all the time. And gypsies don't count.
@MC Wacker
Wow, most retarded comment I've heard all day. QA work is far from playing video games all day, and even if it was, it is still a basic work right to get the legal amount of breaks in, and being paid for all work. QA is a long hard job of doing repetitive bug testing and trying to break things and writing reports. It's not "playing video games" by any means, its doing shit like running into walls for 6 months straght and writing a paper about it.
If a company is breaking worker rights laws then they should be sued and they should be fined by the government. Yeah if the job sucks look for another one but companies need to be held accountable if laws are being broken.
Oh wow, and I thought people like KorJax didn't exist. Thank you, kind sir, for enlightening other people.
I recently finally managed to grab a job after 2 years of looking, and although my boss is a bit prude and gets on my nerves, I can't just simply quit and find another, due to the fact that I wouldn't even know if I'd be able to find another one soon enough.
As for QA, it's basically crash testing games. Blacksite: Area 51 passed right over the QA phase, and if you've played it, you know how bad skipping that phase can end you with.
I recently finally managed to grab a job after 2 years of looking, and although my boss is a bit prude and gets on my nerves, I can't just simply quit and find another, due to the fact that I wouldn't even know if I'd be able to find another one soon enough.
As for QA, it's basically crash testing games. Blacksite: Area 51 passed right over the QA phase, and if you've played it, you know how bad skipping that phase can end you with.
I'm not saying QA isn't a grueling job from what I've read about it, but as with any job, if it's awful, why not leave? If you have the work ethic and attention to detail needed to stick with QA, surely you can make it doing other things. It's not like you make a fortune doing QA.
The top two comments provided some insightful and excellent solutions to the growing dissatisfaction many Americans exhibit today in the current job market. I hope many lives are changed for the better now that these noble men/women provided the much needed input to this growing problem.
@Wooshamboo
ESPECIALLY if they think they can get away with it because of the sentimentality that MC Wacker stated.
Yes, you can have a job you love, but loving that job shouldn't mean you are exploited in illegal ways (them meal breaks are law, son), and just "finding another job" is not always the best option, and is something that varies in difficulty based off of the individual and situation (a man with a family of 4 who's living in the town to take care of his sickly mother after his father passed away would have a harder time moving for a new job than a single 20something individual living in a town he has no connections to).
In short, if Take Two did something illegal, they should be called out for it so others in the industry don't have to deal with the same BS.
ESPECIALLY if they think they can get away with it because of the sentimentality that MC Wacker stated.
Yes, you can have a job you love, but loving that job shouldn't mean you are exploited in illegal ways (them meal breaks are law, son), and just "finding another job" is not always the best option, and is something that varies in difficulty based off of the individual and situation (a man with a family of 4 who's living in the town to take care of his sickly mother after his father passed away would have a harder time moving for a new job than a single 20something individual living in a town he has no connections to).
In short, if Take Two did something illegal, they should be called out for it so others in the industry don't have to deal with the same BS.
According to KorJax
playing video games, is not playing video games.
Interesting. I appreciate your angle on it. Also, take two did say they allowed them all legal break time, and in this instance I'd trust Take Two, because any asshole can just say, "Oh man, they weren't nice and they were mean and now its time to sue them" People want money. That's the bottom line.
Also, comments huh?
playing video games, is not playing video games.
Interesting. I appreciate your angle on it. Also, take two did say they allowed them all legal break time, and in this instance I'd trust Take Two, because any asshole can just say, "Oh man, they weren't nice and they were mean and now its time to sue them" People want money. That's the bottom line.
Also, comments huh?
@MC Wacker
You obviously have no idea what being a game tester is.
For a sample of what happens:
http://trenchescomic.com/tales/post/9810
You obviously have no idea what being a game tester is.
For a sample of what happens:
http://trenchescomic.com/tales/post/9810
@MC Wacker
True, a lot of people see their wallet as the bottom line and will do anything to get there, but the "you're lucky to have this job because you get to play/work on video games" mentality is still one of the worst things about this industry and something that needs to (and for the most part has) change.
The games industry is hard work, stating otherwise is being ignorant.
True, a lot of people see their wallet as the bottom line and will do anything to get there, but the "you're lucky to have this job because you get to play/work on video games" mentality is still one of the worst things about this industry and something that needs to (and for the most part has) change.
The games industry is hard work, stating otherwise is being ignorant.
This is still going on? This sounds like people trying to run off the bandwagon of Team Bondi more than anything.
@Mechman
I was reading some of the stories on that site. Some fucked up shit for sure lol.
http://trenchescomic.com/tales/post/ship-it
I wish we could know which game he was talking about and see if any unlucky soul ran into the issue and bricked their console because developers had to make a deadline.
I was reading some of the stories on that site. Some fucked up shit for sure lol.
http://trenchescomic.com/tales/post/ship-it
I wish we could know which game he was talking about and see if any unlucky soul ran into the issue and bricked their console because developers had to make a deadline.
Someone else complaining about poor working conditions around Rockstar affiliates. I'm sure they're just "making it up" ... all of them.
"Get another job", "making it up", how old are you people? You realize that healthy work place standards, OSHA, all the precautions set in place to make sure YOU don't get maimed on the job, are because of complaints about maltreatment such as these? Do you have any idea what the work field was like in this country before such protections were put in place? It's utterly horrifying. By exposing the conditions he's doing right not just by his fellow employees but to exploited workers as a whole. Anyone in the games industry, or closely affiliated with those who are, know the enormous toll it takes on one's personal life, a pattern first established by the exploitation of the stereotype of "sexless nerd". The industry has yet to find a healthy medium now that their programmers and artists and testers actually have lives and families. Being in a competitive, grueling job does not mean you don't have a right to a life. That the jobs are in high demand is not an excuse for the exploitation of those who would accept substandard working conditions to be there-- even if they "sign up for it". The lengths we take in order to survive often negate the concept of "free will", when we feel we have no other choice to support ourselves. It must be nice to be a teenager and not have to feel the crushing, soul sucking frustration of feeling forced into a position that makes you unbearably unhappy just so you can support yourself. In the adult world, we call that doing what we have to fucking do.
And anyone who thinks QA is "playing games" is out of their mind. QA involves repeatedly breaking unfinished, incomplete levels that are far from a finished product. By the time the product *is* finished, they get absolutely no enjoyment out of it, having spent too much time testing it. Frankly, anything you enjoy that you make a job, surprise, turns into a job. That's reality. Not to mention, QA testers are often assigned to games they have no interest in, and don't enjoy. One of my close friends spent a year and a half testing a mediocre Wii title that you couldn't pay most people to play. WOO WHAT A GREAT JOB
And anyone who thinks QA is "playing games" is out of their mind. QA involves repeatedly breaking unfinished, incomplete levels that are far from a finished product. By the time the product *is* finished, they get absolutely no enjoyment out of it, having spent too much time testing it. Frankly, anything you enjoy that you make a job, surprise, turns into a job. That's reality. Not to mention, QA testers are often assigned to games they have no interest in, and don't enjoy. One of my close friends spent a year and a half testing a mediocre Wii title that you couldn't pay most people to play. WOO WHAT A GREAT JOB
It's amazing how people are actually making fun of this. Obviously, it needs to be proven to some extent, but these are both deplorable circumstances AND relatively common in video game development. The commonality does not take away from how deplorable it is. Neither does the apparent option of "finding another job." I don't know how it is for you, but, believe it or not, lots of people are having all kinds of trouble finding work. You know why?
Because there aren't jobs available. That's sorta why people are concerned about the whole unemployment mess.
Because there aren't jobs available. That's sorta why people are concerned about the whole unemployment mess.
@MC Wacker I don't really know what a QA tester does. However I can imagine it's like playing the exact same level 5,000 times.
@Jay Me
QA != Tester, though tester is a subset of QA.
It's not just playing the level...That offers no real help. Ever purposely run along the edge of the screen to see if you can fall through the world? That's a test. Ever purposely try running around and jumping into every object placed in the game world to see if you can get stuck on or in them? That's a test.
It's not all fun and games, but for those delusional enough to think "I'm going to be the next John Carmack if I get my foot in the door testing 'Super Happy Horsey Games'", then they get what they deserve.
QA != Tester, though tester is a subset of QA.
It's not just playing the level...That offers no real help. Ever purposely run along the edge of the screen to see if you can fall through the world? That's a test. Ever purposely try running around and jumping into every object placed in the game world to see if you can get stuck on or in them? That's a test.
It's not all fun and games, but for those delusional enough to think "I'm going to be the next John Carmack if I get my foot in the door testing 'Super Happy Horsey Games'", then they get what they deserve.
Quality assurance?
I don't know what that involves, but if it means playing games to make sure they are good and pointing out bugs, then fuck off. There is a long line of people who can replace you in your easy-ass job.
I don't know what that involves, but if it means playing games to make sure they are good and pointing out bugs, then fuck off. There is a long line of people who can replace you in your easy-ass job.
QA testing is a thankless bitch of a job. Anybody who thinks they WANT to do that, just try to picture yourself getting to the office each morning and sitting down with a copy of something like... "Imagine: Babyz" for DS all day long for months at a time and writing detailed reports about it. Also try to picture yourself getting paid something in the range of minimum wage for this awesome job "playing video games all day."
Anybody saying stuff like "just quit the job!" must have no idea what the job market is like right now.
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