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PSN subscription fee subject rears ugly head again photo

Remember when Sony dropped a sinister reference to PSN subscription fees last month? Well, prepare your wallets for a raping because the company's mentioned them again, all but confirming that regular paid content will be a part of Sony's online model. 

"Servers and the like have running costs … after we sell the hardware, though, we continue to sell products such as content and services," states SCE technology platform chief Masayuki Chatani. "We expect to see considerable growth in digital content, such as game download services, avatar items and the like. We can also accept payment in a growing number of ways.

"In addition to single-payment packaged software, there are also schemes like monthly fees or per-item charges. I think this variety of payment methods will bring about a diverse range of playing methods, too."

I'd always said that Sony would charge for PSN services as soon as it felt it could get away with it, and people called me a moron for suggesting such a thing. Well, who's the moron now, IDIOTS!? Luckily, Sony has said that online play would always be free, but that does bring forth a question -- what the Hell could Sony offer that would be worth paying a subscription fee over?








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Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:46
Gameboi
It's a pity that Sony would do away with one of the PS3's strongest selling points. However, if it can match Xbox Live's experience, I'd kick a few dimes Sony's way each month. However, I won't pay for inferior service. It better deliver.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:47
Volomon
I don't think you can read Jim, no where does it say that a Monthly fee would be for PSN, it would be for "items/content". Even then it says it could remain per item, as it is now. So in other words in simple, still free. There would just be alternatives for per month costs if you wanted to take advantage of certain things, like themes/avatars for a monthly fee. It's sort of like Qore.
linuxguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:50
linuxguy
I think you misread the statement, Jim.
sprldr's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:51
sprldr
As long as online play remains free and we don't have to subscribe in order to purchase PSN games... I don't care.
Dangsterr's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:52
Dangsterr
I seriously hope it isn't cross game chat...
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:52
mix
I say good chap. duel wielding and riding a horse is rather amazing!

Well if they decide to add something new on top of what the PSN offers and then add a yearly sub on top of that I would be ok. Take away my free online play and all that jazz, not ok.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:53
Jim Sterling
I don't see what is wrong in my article. I never said PSN wouldn't still be free. I said clearly IN the article that online play is still pegged to be free and asked what Sony will do instead to justify online charges.

I think I can read just fine, Volomon. Did you read my article at all?
Harris Hatsworth's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:55
Harris Hatsworth
I'm going to have a PS3 in ten days. If Sony started charging for PSN within that time then I'd be really fucking pissed.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:57
Volomon
@Jim According to Jim Sterling, misleading articles are asinine. We all know you set this up as alarmist.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 09:58
KwikPwn
Saw this coming
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:03
Jim Sterling
Volomon:

Well it's awesome you know more about me than I apparently do. I'll tender my resignation so you can do my job better. <3
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:08
The Silent Protagonist
PSN needs a service worth paying for first.
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:12
atastysammich
I'm gonna be sick.
Queasy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:14
Queasy
Well, The PS3 has what? Three MMOs slated for this year? I think those three are obvious points of subscriptions and items/contents.
Riegel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:19
Riegel88
I would pay for Home in a second!!!!
And new clothes!!!
OH MY GOD I AM SO EXCITED!!!!!!
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:23
Monodi
That horse is so fucked.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:28
Black Nexus
They haven't stated what premium is or what this service is at all. A lot of people are kinda jumping the gun here, let's actually see the service first THEN pass judgement so you don't wind up with your foot in your mouth.
ikiryou's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:31
ikiryou
What Queasy said - a subscription MMO or three is a no-brainer.
Steve Cebu's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:35
Steve Cebu
All I use PSN for is new game Demo's. I've bought a few games I normally wouldn't have and not bought one I would have. If they get rid of that I wouldn't sign up or log into PSN again.
After that the only reason for me to go online is for the fairly regular system updates and most of those are useless to me but are mandatory.
I can't see them charging for system updates and if they don't charge for multi-player which I think this is what this is all about, then what are they charging for? They already charge the developers to put the demo's up on PSN.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:38
Fiat Mediocrity
Jim, I'm having a terrible day at work. Thank you for posting that picture and cheering me up.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:45
Elsa
DC Universe online... and likely other MMO's like The Agency. They were thinking of going to a monthly fee for MAG, but it was obvious this would have failed, but the model is more likely to be accepted for MMO's... and for sure the Final Fantasy MMO will have a monthly fee.

I don't think this is unexpected at all.

There is also likely to be possibilities for monthly movie fees - pay a monthly subscription and get X number of movies you can watch that month.

This isn't a "bad" thing. Online play will remain free, existing services will remain free.
(and frankly, they could even charge a monthly fee for Home and it wouldn't bother me in the least!)
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:46
EdgyDude
Really, either the people at Sony just can't use their brains properly or are easily swayed by greed. For the first time in 3 years they are starting to see the light and it happened mostly due to the recent price cut and a decent year of games and now barely 2 months after they want to kill that momentum by charging for an online service that's not yet on par with the competitor? do they really enjoy being 3rd or something? or like Sterling said they just have the insane need to counter their every good point with a stupid decision?. Well considering this comes from the same people that released the PSPGo i can't say i'm that shocked, still, you'd think they'd learn from their mistakes by now, right?.
ViewFinder's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 10:48
ViewFinder
"what the Hell could Sony offer that would be worth paying a subscription fee over?"

If it's hookers and ale I don't mind.
mizzougrad01's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:10
mizzougrad01
The PSN experience is so empty and shallow that I dont see how they can start charging for it unless they do a major makeover first. And judging from the last several updates, I dont see that happening any time soon. I know I wont pay for the subscription... I just dont use my PS3 enough.
Vigu's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:11
Vigu
I think people are getting upset over nothing. How about seeing the glass half full: NEW SERVICES COMING TO PS3. If all existing services are going to remain free then no one is losing anything. If I had to guess, Sony could add a faster download service (god knows enough people complain about it), early content like they do for Qore subscribers, and even an MMO subscription tie-in, just to name a few.
Vanilla Gorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:21
Vanilla Gorilla
As I understand it, the monthly fees go towards premium services. That is, beyond what they're offering already, which would remain free.

To which I say go for it. I want Sony to do well and if they can supply a good service for a modest price, more power to them. And money, too. They sorta need it seeing how they've taken it in the keister for so long with the manufacturing cost of their console.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:32
loki d20
Wow, Jim. Your venom is really misplaced this time. Really.

You're really misusing 'PSN service' here as if it means X-game chatting or dedicated servers when the 'service' is really an alternative subscription plan for playing PSN games in lieue of just buying them outright. They're essentially expanding the ways that you can enjoy games by subscribing to play them all or just buying the ones you want. Either way, you gotta pay to play a game.

Somehow you see the concept of Sony increasing the options people have to enjoy the games they want to play as a bad thing? I thought you were pro-gaming?

Again, the key phrase here is optional subscription method, not PSN fee.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:42
Sexualchocolate
Yeah, this is ON TOP of all the free shit we get now, like the all important online gaming.

I'm guessing MMO's, all they're saying is "we can charge a monthly fee for MMO's"

Stop trying to throw fuel on the fire man.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:46
Jim Sterling
Oh for fuck's sake, what is WRONG with you people? I never said PSN services would STOP! I said that Sony is looking for PSN services that it CAN charge for. I'm not throwing fuel on any fires -- if anything, you're the ones fueling fires by trying to look for ulterior motives in my stories.

You are the ones misreading my article and trying to twist phrasing and wording. It's getting about as old as my "trolling" apparently is. You're only trolling yourselves at this rate.
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:46
Everyday Legend
But it all hinges on what they choose to offer at a price: if online play is still free, what more could they offer to extend that core functionality, and will it actually be worth the coinage?

For all of the fanboy bile-spewing on both sides of their respective fences, I still say that PSN needs to become a stronger service across all areas in order to charge a monthly fee for ANYTHING. No cross-game chat has been a thorn in PSN's side since the launch of the service, and being asked to pay just for that seems beyond asinine.

If they want my ever-lightening dollar, they'd better make the service shine like the fucking sun.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:49
Xzyliac
@Jim Sterling
Calm down man! Lordy!
munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 11:51
munkee
it was gonna happen some day.. sony wanna make money just like everybody else
Genebeef's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 12:08
Genebeef
well, they took out backwards compatibility going back on their word, what makes you think they'll keep their word in keeping psn multiplayer free? arguably the most expensive and costly aspect to sony on psn.
ElectroZack's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 12:14
ElectroZack
"you people!"

So that's how it's gonna be...
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 12:26
Everyday Legend
@ElectroZack
Until people stop losing their minds over what they thought he said, then yes, that's how it's going to be.

@Xzyliac
I don't blame him in the least. He didn't say that the service would switch to subscription-only, nor did he poke anything resembling a hornet's nest. The SDF just shoots on sight, regardless of the actual target, it seems.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 12:29
free touch
Well, they already charge for some clothes in home.

And they also plan to charge for club houses in home.

Home is a major source of change for the ps3. If you don't believe me, go to home, and see how many wonderful people are buying digital clothes.

I just have to say, PSN better not fuck up like Live did two years ago after chrsitmas. Its going to be large.
kaosis's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 12:44
kaosis
all hail the SDF.

"hey, wanna go to the game tonight?"

"WTF you say about Sony?!?!"
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 12:44
free touch
lets put this to bed shall we.

Jim: you wrote: "PSN subscription fee subject rears ugly head again" in the title. Its implied. You know what you do, you are a writer. So don't come back with "oh so I DIDN'T NOT say you would pay.... etc etc." You know how to write. It was done on purpose. If you would change the title to "Sony Exec. says "We will continue to sell content and services." None of this would happen. Of course you won't change it, because then you wouldn't get all the bawwwchilds in here.

Everyone else: Don't pay attention to the title. There. Everything is ok.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 12:53
Jim Sterling
Free Touch:

When this story stops being about the subject of subscription fees on the PSN, the headline will be inaccurate.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 13:12
free touch
Just trying to help you out. But you know what you are doing. So... whatever.
Stephen Beirne's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 13:37
Stephen Beirne
"I never said PSN wouldn't still be free."
"When this story stops being about the subject of subscription fees on the PSN, the headline will be inaccurate."

Frankly I'm confused.
Vigu's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 13:48
Vigu
@Jim

Not to sound rude, but you pretty much asked for people to respond this way. This isnt the first time you've written something "misleading" in order to attract attention, yet you complain when people become outraged and call you out on it. The fact that in the article you try and clarify (briefly) to save face doesnt change the fact that your headline is innacurate.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 13:52
Jim Sterling
The headline is NOT inaccurate. You need to learn what accurate and inaccurate means. Nothing in that headline is wrong.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 13:57
KingSigy
All I can say is no dice. I actually use Xbox Live a lot more, so Sony will not be getting money from me. Granted they are one time fees, but I don't actually play that much.
Nicojay2's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 14:04
Nicojay2
Lol at Jimster having to defend against others gross misinterpretation of the headline. Perfect time to bring up 4.5.

4.5 Never forget. :)
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 14:05
loki d20
The problem is Jim, you aren't comprehending the quotes you're using, much like most people on the Web. A translation of the article for Jim:

"We expect to see considerable growth in digital content, such as game download services, avatar items and the like. We can also accept payment in a growing number of ways.

They see a growth in DLC. You currently pay for DLC with a single purchase price, but they see other ways of paying for digital content other than just flat fees for individual DLC items.

"In addition to single-payment packaged software, there are also schemes like monthly fees or per-item charges.

As an example of how they could price out DLC, they could have a subscription fee for access to a certain number or type of DLC, including all older DLC and anything that comes out with new games. They could also break up what one digital game or similar application offers into smaller bits and only sell what you would want for that application, such as selling co-op, multiplayer, and single-player options separately for those who don't want to pay for all 3.

This doesn't change that you'd still have the option to buy the game as it currently is, a single flat price for the full package.

I think this variety of payment methods will bring about a diverse range of playing methods, too."

He thinks doing it this way may result in offering more play options for various games based on what people are willing to pay for. Perhaps letting players cookie-cutter build the game they want to play rather than having all of it forced on them.

====

Now, Jim, based on what you wrote above all you seemed to really read was "monthly fees" rather than actually seeing the context of his comment. Then you blogged it here using the typical FUD crap methodology and finished it off with "... what the Hell could Sony offer that would be worth paying a subscription fee over?"

Seriously Jim? It's the same thing you can currently buy on the PSN, aka DLC. They're not talking about charging a fee for new PSN services, they're just talking about alternative methods of paying for the same content we already pay for.

With Free Realms, DC Online, and The Agency coming to the PS3 this year supposedly, it's kind of obvious why they're talking more about this. Will DC Online have an option to pay a monthly subscription fee with access to all content, including all costume pieces, new content, and the such? Or, will they sell everything by piece? Or, will they have both options.

That kind of concept is already used in MMOs as it is, so it's kind of hard to not see how you couldn't draw the same conclusion with digital content in general. But, instead, you did the usual Jim blog post with the ever so catchy title.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 14:27
Holyetheline
no fees sony, please none of that :(
themizarkshow's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 14:46
themizarkshow
I'm interested in seeing what extra content they're looking at pushing out that will be subscription based. I'm kinda hoping that, with the MMO's coming out for the system over the next year, part of that subscription fee will cover the MMO fee's or at least part of them. That'd be enough incentive to get them for the PS3 instead of the PC. If its more stuff like qore though, meh.

@JimSterling: wow... i thought the article was really clearly written. The other commenter's must not have read the article or must have been out sick when critical thinking was being taught in school.
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 15:54
BoomingEchoes
Honestly Sony's model thus far had been unrealistic and they were going to have to do this eventually. The only reason Microsofts is unrealistic too is because the gold membership of XBL doesn't really supply you with any thing GOOD aside from multiplayer.
Prootzel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/15/2009 16:44
Prootzel
From what I remember reading long ago, the subscription fee was going to be applied in a kind of netflicks way where you pay like $20 a month to be able to play as many of the PSN titles as you want. Something along those lines.
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