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PSA: DualShock can sub for PS Move Navigation Controller photo

Sony's pricing of PlayStation Move is pretty clever. They can get away with saying that the Move experience costs less than $100, since the Sports Champions bundle -- which comes with the game, the PlayStation Eye camera, and the wand -- retails for $99.99. (And if you already have the camera, the wand itself is $49.99.) But technically, in order to have access to the full range of Move games, you'll want to shell out an additional $29.99 for the Navigation Controller (i.e., the Move's analog of the Wii's Nunchuk).

Thankfully, there's a cheaper solution, although it's less than ideal. PlayStation Move software engineer Anton Mikhailov affirmed at E3 that the DualShock 3 and Navigation Controller are interchangeable; you can hold the DualShock 3 in your left hand like you would the Navigation wand, so a controller that you already own will function just as well as one that costs an extra thirty bucks. (It's not confirmed that the Sixaxis controller will work, too, but I don't see any reason why it wouldn't, since the DualShock 3 is literally a Sixaxis with vibration functionality added.)

I just tried holding my DualShock 3 in my left hand alone, and I have to say, it's not all that comfortable. Then again, if I were to buy Move, I think I'd rather deal with this relatively minor issue than spend another thirty dollars. You can decide for yourself when Move launches on September 19th.

Move Navigation Controller can be replaced by DualShock [Joystiq]








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Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:09
Volomon
Luckily I already have a camera, so all I need is the want and the chuck. Then of course a good game or two.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:10
timtheterrible
That's nice, but it seems like the Dualshock 3 would be a little unwieldy for use with the Move. Nice to have the option, though.
Oishidesu's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:10
Oishidesu
I'd rather get the Navigation controller. I was cringing when I saw the guy playing RE5: Gold Edition with the Move and Dualshock 3 at TGS 09
Paustinj's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:11
Paustinj
If I was going to use Move for a game, I would just go all out and get the Navigation controller. Holding a PS3 Controller in my left hand just sounds too awkward.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:12
Electrium
So this whole thing's actually gonna cost me $130 total, and Natal is rumored to be $150? I'm not sure who the real villain is anymore.

But I really shouldn't complain; as of right now I couldn't care less about either device.
Kryptinite's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:16
Kryptinite
I'll just buy the Navi Controller :)
Johnny Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:21
Johnny Justice
The lighter Sixaxis would be better if possible.
nowherekid03's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:27
nowherekid03
im done with consoles, im going back to a keyboard and a mouse.
Oishidesu's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:27
Oishidesu
@Electrium
Yes, but only if you get the bundle. If you already have the PS Eye, it's $80, plus another $30-$40 for a game, making $110-$120. Kinect is $150 and $60 for one sh!tty game, making $210. You decide who the real villain is now, again :)
Doctor m3ds's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:30
Doctor m3ds
Hmm, certainly a nice option. Especially if one doesn't feel like fully investing in multiple controllers. I'd probably buy a navigation controller for myself, but it'd make it a bit cheaper for the occasional time I'd use it for multiplayer.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:31
The Silent Protagonist
Yeah, if I were to get this, I'd go with Navichuk. Dual Shock in the place of the Navi is thoughtful, but not very practical.

Those that have a Wii already know that if you need to use the classic controller pro, you're just going to use that and the Wiimote just sits at the side nearby. But if you're playing a gamw with the Wiimote and need analog, you want the nunchuk.

Its all about functionality and comfort here.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:33
hpv
I'm surprised this wasn't more widely reported. Now we just need to find a solution for balancing the Dual Shock so you can hold it one handed that costs only a dollar or two to make.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:37
the7k
IF I needed the Move immediately (as in, some games are made for it that I can't resist), I'd get the Wand first and use DS3 until I can find a Navi used or on discount. (I already have a PSEye from Eye of Judgment, so no skin off my back there.)

However, I think I'll be perfectly capable of waiting until I can find both of them used/discounted.
GoatRoyale's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:43
GoatRoyale
For me, this is actually a pretty cool deal. I tried holding a dualshock & wii remote at the same time and it seemed like a decent, albeit a bit awkward, solution for the time being. I'm sure I'd eventually shell out for a navi, but when launch day comes around I'd rather have an extra $30 to put towards a game or something if at all possible.

I'm not super excited for Move, but when all I really need is the wand and camera (which I've already been looking to get just to mess around with) I'm totally willing to give it a shot.
Korolev's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:46
Korolev
Uh, balance a dualshock in your hand? And be expected to move the analog stick and press the buttons? Are they mad?

Although you technically COULD do it, it is also "technically" possible to play a game with the dualshock upside down with enough practice.

But from a practical standpoint, holding a dual shock in one hand won't work. I'll get the "move" for sure, but they should pretend that it will cost less than it will.

Impressive technology. Less impressive marketing tactic.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:51
Darren Nakamura
I'm pretty sure they said this would be possible way back when they first showed the Move (before we knew it was called Move), but it's good to know the functionality is still in there. Still, looking at it, it seems like it'd be awkward holding a DualShock 3 with just my left hand, so if I do get Move, I'd probably drop the extra thirty for the Nunchuk.
plufim's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:52
plufim
@Oishidesu: nobody has a playstation eye. You're being ridiculous.
keisal's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:57
keisal
@ Oishidesu first hardly anyone has a playstation eye and second where are you getting that the games are only going to be $30-$40? not even wii games are that cheap
Freequebec86's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:57
Freequebec86
love this, maybe i will just buy PS move first, then the other part later if i hate RE5 with this
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:57
pedrovay2003
Might make the X and Circle buttons harder to get to, but this is a good move on Sony's part. The Navigation Controller seems pretty pointless compared to having 2 Move controllers, but this will save a lot of money.
Joe Williams's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:59
Joe Williams
The only time I can see me doing this is if I don't have the money Day 1 or after a while when I have the two Move controllers for the games that might use them and only one Nav Controller and a friend comes over and we play like RE:5 Co-Op then they'll have to use the DS3 and I'll laugh while their hand falls off after a hour or so.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 23:59
pedrovay2003
@plufim

Walmart was liquidating PS Eyes for like $20 with Eye of Judgment a while back. A lot of people picked it up then.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 00:07
amtalx
@Oishidesu:

Move is only cheaper if you plan on playing by yourself. It has the same problem that Wii does. You're going to need to spend $300 on controllers to play with friends.
waypoetic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 00:23
waypoetic
Fuck friends! Online ftw!
turtLe's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 00:26
turtLe
Price information
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-ca/category/id/pce3.aspx

Futureshop (retailer here in Canada) has put preorder Kinect games for FULL RETAIL PRICE. When you compare Playstation Move VS Xbox Kinect the low game prices so compensate for the extra cost in hardware. Assuming the average user buys 6-8 games the difference isnt that much.

Move Bundle (Camera, Sports game and remote) = $100
Move Nunchuck = $30 (although this is optional sixaxis will work)
Move Games = $40
Each Extra Person +$50-80

Kinect Rumored Price = $150
Kinect Games = $60 FULL PRICE ($70 in Canada)
Each Extra Person = Free
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 00:41
Samit Sarkar
Um, guys, if you're holding the DS3 in your left hand, and the wand in your right, you're fine. The wand has all four face buttons on it, accessible by the right thumb. All your left hand needs to control is the left stick, D-pad, and L1/L2.
MasterSplinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 00:51
MasterSplinter
@turtLe

I wouldn't cite FutureShop, they have Kid Icarus for the 3DS listed, saying that it'll cost 69.99. I'd guess that anything related to Kinect(or most things at E3) is priced based on prediction until Microsoft(or one of the companies eg.Ubisoft) says otherwise.
Gamernerd101's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 00:52
Gamernerd101
Motion controls cause global warming and a recession and aids, the list goes on of worldly problems, but they make one helluva ass scratcher, although I don't know how comfortable I'd be scratching my ass with the light bulb/dildo like thing on the wand I'm sure Microsoft's overpriced web cam should be a little more practical, maybe I can give myself my own colonoscopy with it, ahh a practical use for everything everyone wins.
Senger's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 00:59
Senger
It's not really that uncomfortable, but the $30 will be worth it, atleast you know if you somehow break the 30$ thing you are not totally screwed and can use your PS3 Controller. I like to have that option available
Thanatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 01:13
Thanatos
So all up, it'll cost about the same as kinect... If youre only playing single player.

Doesn't seem like such a good deal any more.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 01:18
Mr Andy Dixon
@amtalx

"Move is only cheaper if you plan on playing by yourself. It has the same problem that Wii does. You're going to need to spend $300 on controllers to play with friends."

This.

For what is, for me, a party peripheral (like the Wii), I'd really have to buy a lot of hardware to make this work. The ROI just isn't there (yet).
Chardan's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 01:30
Chardan
I'd just rest the right side of the Dualshock on my left leg for support when sitting, more confortable that way.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 01:44
Kyle MacGregor
I just picked up my DS3 and tried it out.

THIS IS THE WORST IDEA EVER.
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 01:51
Monte
@amtalx
Meh, two things to take into account... one do you're friends also have Move? if they do then you don't need 4 controllers yourself... second, how many games will there be that lets 4 players at the same time and also require both the move and the navi to play them; if not many, then we you only need two navi's; especially since the sixas's can substitute for a navi

All in all, you get the flexibility to only pay as much as you are willing and need to... With kinect, you are stuck with that price no matter what your given situation; imagine if they packaged 4 move controllers together and made that the ONLY option(no buying separately)... and for a lot of people, it's easier to spend a large amount of money over a long period of time than it is to spend a large amount of money in an instant... ask me to spend $200 over the course of 3 months or even a year then fine no problem i can afford that; ask me to spend that much in an instant though and then i'm gonna have a problem...
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 02:46
brainderailment
I used to do this all the time with ut3. I'd use the dualshock3 in left hand to move my character and have rumble and use a mouse in the right for aiming and switching weapons. Imo, best ut3 control scheme. But I was sitting down and had the controller on my left leg.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 03:33
Sexualchocolate
FUCKING SWEET - Glad this has been confirmed.

So now, as someone who already has the eye and 4 Dualshock/Sixaxis controllers i can just go and buy 2 wands for $100 and be set to play pretty much anything except 2 player double wand games - which i doubt there will be many of.

Although to be honest, I'll probably grab a couple of navi's anyway.
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 04:13
JustLikeBuck
Very cool - I played Flower entirely one handed because it made the dualshock feel more like a flightstick, and I didn't have a single problem.

That's saved my future self a bundle :)
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 05:13
Sexualchocolate
Just like buck makes an excellent point, I played flower one handed also and had zero problems.

Remember guys this is a sleek sexy ps3 controller were talking about, not that hefty fat ol' xbox thing.
Themightylebeau2009's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 05:38
Themightylebeau2009
Keep on Trollin'
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 06:42
Mushman
Christ, most you people are limp wristed bastards, or have really small hands. Tried it just then, and it seems fine to me, unless you are a 10 year old, you thumb fits perfectly over the analouge stick, and the L1 L2 is easily accessible, so unless you have a problem holding a tiny amount of weight AT YOUR SIDE, stop your bitching.

Seriously, do you people actualy think you NEED to balance the fucking DS3 in front of you? Or balance it at all? All you need to do is leave it at your side, right near your thigh, and happily play with the move wand, since thats the damn thing that will do the most amount of work. Thats the advantage of bluetooth, uninterrupted signal.

Damn, we are a whiny bunch.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 08:37
Tubatic
Its not especially comfortable, but it wasn't designed for onehanded use.

Cost of frugality, yeah?
Ujn Hunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 09:45
Ujn Hunter
Correction: DualShock can sub for PS Move Navigation Controller for RIGHT HANDED people... Lefties will need to buy the PS Move Navigation Controller. Sorry! :(
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 10:46
mix
Yeah I masturbated while I played Flower to guys, great game!

Still good new but seems awkward to do.
koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/17/2010 19:44
koehler83
Ah the plight of the navigator...
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2010 12:36
Emrah
Cheapest solution would have been to have the move button work like an analogue stick, similarly laid low like a psp analogue stick. This way we'd have all that functionality using two move controllers.
quimby999's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2010 23:06
quimby999
well I dont think kinect does 4 players in first place and there are very few ps3 games rhat do more than 2 heck very few that do 2 players at once, move games may difer but im thinking youd never need more than 2. so be 160 with 1 xtra move xtra move and a navi for 1 person.be another 30 for 2nd navi now does a move plus navi use 2 blue tooth slots if so canthave 4 complete setups in first place., only 7 bluettoth slots.
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