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PS3 Trophies and how they underachieve photo

One of the few good things Microsoft did for the games industry was introduce the concept of Achievements. Some of you may disagree with me, especially as it's considered quite hip to hate Achievements and claim they ruined videogames, but the extra level of interest and longevity they add to a game has certainly had an impact on my own game playing habits, and a great deal many others.

It was only a matter of time before Sony tried to follow Microsoft's lead and introduce its own take on Achievements. As of this year, PlayStation Trophies are now a mandatory part of all PS3 titles, working very much in the same way as MS' Achievements, with a few structural differences. However, unlike MS' Achievements, Trophies have so far failed to really add much of anything to my gameplay experience. 

A rather underwhelming addition, marred by some key problems, Trophies have underachieved, proving that perhaps it's not always best to just try and copy someone else's successful idea and expect the same level of success (*coughmotioncontrolscough*). Read on as we explain the problem with PS3 Trophies.

The major issue with Trophies, as it stands, is the fact that the PlayStation Network has not succeeded in creating the feeling of a true online identity for its players. The rather alienating XMB and awkwardness of communication with other players makes it far more difficult for gamers to feel connected to their PSN handles than they do their Gamertags. A Gamertag, from the very start, has set out to feel like an identity, something that is tied into every Xbox 360 game they play, every Achievement they unlock, and every success they have in a multiplayer environment. It feels like something that is theirs. A PSN handle is simply what it is -- just a handle.

I've never felt any sort of attachment to my PSN handle, not like I do with the Xbox 360 Gamertag. Even visually, the Gamertag sets itself up as a more tangible object, resembling a card with your name, motto, Gamerscore and recently played games. Your PSN handle doesn't have that same tangibility, at least not one as clearly defined and visible to others as the Gamertag. On the Xbox 360, you can easily show off what you've been playing and what Achievements you've unlocked. With the PSN, there's no sense of personal investment and no real platform to show off your Trophy progress at an easy glance. The lack of identity makes Trophies far less important than Achievements. 

Another major issue is the cumbersome PS3 interface and ridiculous load times. For such a magnificent, sleek and well-produced machine, its sluggish XMB feels archaic and inconvenient to use. For example, when unlocking an Achievement during a 360 game, all the player has to do is press the guide button on the Xbox 360 controller and instantly see the Achievement details. On the PS3, one has to press the guide button, navigate to the Trophy section, wait for the Trophies to load, then find the right Trophy through the list of small, barely legible text. The very act of looking at Trophies feels like a waste of time. 

When a game is loading on the Xbox 360, I'll often fill the seconds by quickly glancing over some Achievements to check my progress, or look at some messages, which can instantly be done with a quick tap of the controller's Guide Button to bring up a useful mini dashboard. You can easily bring up the dashboard and pass time in there while waiting for the next level to load. Not so on the PS3. Usually, by the time you've actually navigated to the Trophies and waited for the information itself to load up, the game is ready to be played. There is no checking out other peoples' PSN IDs in a pre-match lobby either, not with the same ease and swiftness of an Xbox 360 lobby. 

Even worse, and completely inexcusable to boot, is the fact that Trophies need to "sync" before you can view them on the XMB. I don't quite get how the Xbox 360 can have your Achievements all ready for you to glance over at any time, while you need to sit through a loading screen in order to look at anything PS3-related. On the 360, it's incredibly easy to compare your Achievements to others on your friends list. On the PS3, you have to spend your time watching little rotating circles as the PS3 sluggishly fires up the Trophies. 

Another glaring fault is the fact that, unlike Achievements, very few Trophies actually carry with them a sense of value, arbitrary or otherwise. Every single Achievement feels like it's adding to this colossal E-Peen that grows with every Achievement you unlock. It's thoroughly meaningless, I fully admit that, but so is a lot of things in the world of gaming, and the mindless collection factor is addictive and adds to the fun of unlocking Achievements. Even the smallest and most insignificant of Achievements feels like it carries a "value" of sorts. 5G is still 5G, and those small Achievements all contribute to increasing that E-Peen's all-crucial size.

The Gamerscore, while accomplishing nothing of true value, at least stands as a testament to your history with the Xbox 360's game library, and quickly gives people a rough idea of how much quality time you've spent with the system. Every Achivement collected adds to that. 

Not so with Trophies, that are split between Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum. Straight away, we are taught that only a few Trophies actually matter. Who cares about common Bronze Trophies? The way in which different values are assigned to the Trophies practically admits that a huge amount of them are worthless. Nearly all my Trophies so far are Bronze, and I struggle to give a shit about any of them, because we all know that Bronze is for losers. Unlike Achievements, which have an "every little helps" aura about them, the PlayStation Trophies don't feel like they work towards anything. Don't get me wrong, both Achievements and Trophies are, at the end of the day, meaningless tokens. Trophies, however, make it far too obvious to inspire anything but apathy. 

Trophies also carry with them some "level up" system which I suppose is meant to rival the Gamerscore except it ... doesn't. It's rather senseless and just sits there, proving very little. While the idea of leveling up your PSN actually has potential, until it does more than simply sit buried in your profile with its thumb up its arse, it won't beat the Gamerscore. 

Even the visual aspect of Trophies are unappealing. The "Achievement Unlocked" image has become almost iconic this generation, with its distinct sound and look becoming a welcome occurrence during the course of any 360 game. Sony's small, whimpering little gray box that announces, in tiny text, that "You've earned a Trophy" brings with it all the fanfare of an old lady's wet fart.

The interesting thing is, Sony has just as much opportunity, if not more so, the make Trophies stand out, thanks in part to the PSP, and this may be where Trophies might eventually justify their existence. There has been talk in the past about PSP games having their own Trophies, and if your PSN ID remains linked between both your PS3 and PSP, then we're definitely looking at something interesting. The ability to unlock these extra rewards across multiple platforms as well as multiple games is something that Microsoft simply does not have right now, and it's something Sony could definitely capitalize on in order to start steering the direction of a gamer's identity, rather than just follow in the footsteps of a rival. 

Of course, the first thing Sony needs to do is make the that aforementioned identity something to identify with. Until that happens, Trophies will always mean very little compared to Achievements and the Gamerscore. Sony has a lot of games, several consoles and even social experiments like Home and LittleBigPlanet. However, everything right now feels disconnected from one another. The PlayStation brand has an incredibly amount of tools to make Trophy support something worth bragging about, but until it pulls the drawstrings and brings all of its separate parts together, the PSN experience is always going to feel like a step behind what the Xbox brand currently offers. 

A greater sense of personality, a more convenient way to interact with your gaming rewards and a feeling, however false, that Trophies actually mean something. Sony could do all that and really go toe-to-toe with the idea of Gamertags. Unfortunately, until Sony realizes that just trying to mimic Achievements with the bare minimum of effort doesn't make for much competition, Trophies will remain quite the underachievement.


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Half left's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:10
Half left
"When a game is loading on the Xbox 360, I'll often fill the seconds by quickly glancing over some Achievements to check my progress, or look at some messages. You can easily do that in between levels while a loading screen comes up. Not so on the PS3. Usually, by the time you've actually approached the Trophies and waited for the information itself to load up, the game is ready to be played. There is no checking out other peoples' PSN IDs in a pre-match lobby either, not with the same ease and swiftness of an Xbox 360 lobby."

I'm not sure I understand or agree with this. But otherwise. Good read.

I personally have a lot of disdain for gamer score, but not achievements.
Pyroph's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:12
Pyroph
I agree. I usually buy all multi-platform titles for the 360, and just exclusives for the PS3.

@half left I believe he means during loads he hits the dashboard and goes to the achievement/friend page.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:12
Jim Sterling
"@half left I believe he means during loads he hits the dashboard and goes to the achievement/friend page."

This. I'll make a quick edit to make that slightly clearer.
Corican's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:13
Corican
You've raised some points that I hadn't thought about.
Bronze trophies do really seem quite worthless.

I've spent ages being a trophy whore, and now you've ruined my view on life!
Classic Sterling!

PS3 Trophies
Pime Taradox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:14
Pime Taradox
Brilliant article, Jim. I've never quite been able to put my finger on why I care about achievements but not trophies, but this put it into words perfectly. Still, I always feel guilty that when there's a game on both PS3 and 360, I choose the 360 version just because I know I'll get more use out of it trying to get some achievements.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:16
Jim Sterling
"That's a lot of text for such a silly, silly topic. Share with me your thoughts on why the color yellow doesn't get the credit it deserves. It would be as equally interesting to read."

These "useless topic" responses are generally my favorite. I write about videogames, absolutely none of my blog posts ever do, or ever will, matter. Let's not start attributing levels of relevance to a subject as silly as videogames, shall we?

I fully agree this is a silly topic. Just like everything we write about.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:19
Chronic Logic
BIAS JIM! BIAS! Inb4 fanboy rant.

Seriously though, they should make trophies have some actual worth, by being able to buy stuff with your trophies, like extra content, swag, skins, or whatever.
Pyroph's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:28
Pyroph
"Sony: Killzone 2 DLC will be FREE (shortblog/PSA)"

"Reactions to firmware 2.7"

"1 Reason You Must Have InFAMOUS..."

Reborn's blogs.
Edarios's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:29
Edarios
they're patching the load times for trophies soon...if you care about your gamerscore, you need to go see a vagina. trophies are just something to help extend the value of your games, some of them are fun, and theres some very challenging ones that people spend tons of time on..
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:29
brainderailment
I agree with this blawg post. I trophy whore a lot and I'd like someone to be able to notice at a glance that I'm a diseased slut.
AdamT's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:32
AdamT
Owning only a PS3 and not a 360, I feel a little uncaring about the better qualities of MS's Achievements.

This is how I see Trophies: I play a game, suddenly my game freezes for a moment, something pops up saying I got a trophy, I shrug, I keep playing.

I occasionally will be competitive with a friend or test my skill and see if I can "achieve" a high score to get a trophy, but that's really it. Negative points aside, it's just something extra and I'm okay with how it is. I owned a PS3 before Trophies were implemented, so it hasn't been a requirement for my game playing. Plus, some are just too hard to even attain without hours and hours of effort and practice.

If they do end up evolving it into something better, great. If not, then I'm okay with that too.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:33
Holyetheline
I completely agree. You make a lot of good points!
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:35
CALkulon
I don't get your point about the "barely legible" text at all, but in the main you have a point. However, you do have to bear in mind that trophies came in far later than achievements. Yes you can have a go at Sony for not using them in the first place, but the fact is that they're still working at them now and I fully expect they'll improve the XMB in general over time.

Things should improve if/when Sony puts trophy rooms into Home, and/or gives them some sort of meaning - extra themes, beta testing, anything like that would be pretty cool.
ThunderHeartXI's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:35
ThunderHeartXI
Sterling confirmed for 360 fanboyism. I've found myself striving for achievements more then I do for trophies and I couldn't really figure out why. Thanks for putting my feelings into words, Jim.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:37
Tubatic
but Reborn was calling a topical heavily integrated movement "silly"... but then he's all like "its lame to call games trivial"

huh? Is Reborn trying to pick a fight for fight's sake?

Also, I agree. I care more about getting achievements than getting trophies. Then again, I've only had a PS3 for a few weeks.
benjaxez's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:37
benjaxez
I agree with you Jim, when my 360 died I thought I'd spend a lot more time on the PS3 but instead, I play a game and finish a stage or two and then switch it off again, It's really not the same in terms of how i connect to the console.
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:38
Stahlbrand
Sounds reasonable to me.

I've read before that one of Sony's problems is the very Japanese way they have their company broken into isolated departments, each headed by a star (read: prima dona) engineer. Every department is following its leader in different directions, and so in the end, you get a range of products with oddly overlapping, yet not connected features and abilities. If I can find the article I'm thinking about before I get bored looking I'll post it.

I know achievements have driven me to get more out of a game in many cases, and improved my experience. If I had let my first impression of Army of Two stand, I wouldn't have picked it back up, but looking at ~100 gamerpoints sucked, so I went back and played it some more, and after spending a little more time with it, I got into the the game and enjoyed it. I ended up getting nearly all the offline achievements.
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:38
TheCleaningGuy
I like me trophies.
But you're right, the interface should be much quicker. It would make them a lot more easy to check.
Also, I should have my first Platinum soon. /whore.
norm9's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:39
norm9
Until you get a free sticker or can purchase a free video game with achievements/trophies, I will detest them and their artificial means of deciding who's a real gamer.

With that said, the trophy system is so slow, I don't ever bother checking what I've accumulated. Plus, I kind of get annoyed when I finish a level in any game on the ps3 and all of a sudden I get a trophy. As with achievements, I feel that the pop ups on the screen ruin the immersion I'm trying to get with games.

Now, does it make me a hypocrite if I said I'm the number one fan of online leaderboards?
Heyasuki_'s Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:40
Heyasuki_
Good read,

I can't believe it takes so long to just look at my trophies or others and if a game in general is multi-platform I'll buy it on my 360 for this very reason.
Wghj55's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:40
Wghj55
Well I thought this was pretty interesting. I too feel that the trophies never have the same allure as achievements. Another point that may be worth mentioning is the fact that the way you earn achievements and trophies is different. Developers for the 360 are making gathering achievements interesting, forcing you to play the game in different ways. A lot of the trophies seem to be about stats tracking. Like get 100 headshots with this weapon and this weapon or beat this guy in under 2 minutes. And all the platinum trophies that I've seen are just "get all the other trophies." That doesn't inspire me to play the game at all...it just makes me not want to ever attempt to get it.
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:41
Stahlbrand
AH-HA, here is the article
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/02/11/the-psp2-and-the-ret.html

Its a good read in general, and relevent to this discussion.

Also, I totally judge other people by their gamescore. I'm not impressed if I see somebody with 100+ games played, and only 50-150 points from each. Not much of a gamer if he/she never finishes a game.
thisissami's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:41
thisissami
My only disagreement with this article is that Microsoft didn't introduce this sort of idea to the world. I guess they're the first company to make something like this a standard across their console, but Insomniac definitely beat them to this by numerous years with the Skill Points they have in all their Ratchet and Clanks (and probably a couple other earlier games by different companies).
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:42
Arttemis
Not to mention that, of all the PS3 games I own (both disc based and downloaded), only two of them even have trophies. Capcom added in-game "achievements" for DMC4 and MM9, but that's not the case of Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and MGS4, Star Wars:TFU.

I don't particularly care, though. I enjoy (some) achievements/trophies for potentially giving me goals to reach, but I couldn't give a fuck less about cumulative gamerscores or trophy cards.
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:42
DemonEyes23
i do love my ps3 and trophies but i'd agree with you on many of those points especially the loading/syncing that's always baffled me. But maybe if you had some of those elusive platinums you'd care a bit more i infact only have 2 or two and theres alot of work that goes into getting them. Honestly i rather like the tiered approach because i can see not just HOW much a friend has played but if he was any good. He can have all the bronze he wants but if he's not iced out i know not to care. Your other points seem like nitpicking to me (like the sound/visual when you unlock an achievement compared to a trophy) but who knows maybe that's cause i don't own a 360 (though i have unlocked a achievement or two in my day).
superezekiel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:43
superezekiel
I think this is a bit much in the wrong direction, and that you were a little confused on the central point you were trying to make.

Is it;

A) Trophies fail to be relevant,

or

B) Trophies just aren't implemented as well as Achievements?

Hell, half of your gripes were about the XMB interface and had less to do with trophies and more to do with the abysmal amount of RAM the PS3 has.

I agree that I don't get quite as much satisfaction from Trophies as I do Achievements, almost purely because of that blip and bing, but I think the severe botching of the Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum trophies in your article is very misconstrued. Opinion or not, you are wrong.

Every trophy does contribute to the overall "XP bar" that gets you to the next level, even Bronzes. Bronze trophies are like fighting the frogs and shit right outside of Midgar. They aren't doing much for you, but fight enough of them and you'll definitely see some progress. Low on money/health but need to level up? Frogs are the way to go. Low on skill but want to get your trophy level up? Bronze is the way to go.

Since there are so many Bronze trophies, getting a Silver/Gold/Platinum trophy feels all the more rewarding. Silvers are like Skittles in a sea of wheat. Golds like a Sams Club pack of Skittles, but with less STD's. And Platinums are like becoming the President and declaring all the fucking Skittles yours. There's so much to the reward, and most games I've played with Trophies have them in all of the right amounts.

What's more, is that these are merely different ways to equate something without a numerical value to something entirely encompassed and existing as a numerical value. Bronzes are your 5's, 10's, 20's and 50's. Your Silvers are like 50's through 100's. And Golds are like 100's to 200's. Platinums? Just that little bit extra patting you on the back and saying, "You did it. You did good, kid." for getting that full 1,000.

That's also one of the brilliant things that Sony did with the formula they copied. The Platinums are the best damn things ever. Getting one of those is like getting every pack of Sour Skittles, Crazy Cores, Island Dream Cream Team Skittles and whatever the fuck else, and then having God himself part the sky, reach you with his voice and say, "You know what? Have a fucking cake."

Otherwise, I completely agree with the rest of your article which should have been called "An Example of Why The XMB Needs To Go".

Btw, I'm following you on Twitter you reacharound, we should flirt sometime. Same name. -WINK-
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:45
Daxelman
I don't even check my Trophy's anymore. I used to...I just kinda stopped.


I am a whore about my Steam Achievements though...fucking Force-a-Nature...
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:46
DemonEyes23
while we are talking about trophies does anyone else have the Late Boomer
Bomber (Get 15 bombs in bombermode) that shit needs to be a gold if not a platinum!
AgentBBJ's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:47
AgentBBJ
The problem with trophies is that they were implemented to late. If they came out with the console. I might care more. I did not like achievements at first but they have grown on me.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:55
Aurain
"One of the few good things Microsoft did for the games industry"

No.


Acheevs/Cups let the developer think that Replay value = Fulfilling a list.

Games like FF7 had such great Replay Value because they introduced the side quests gently and they were totally optional, such as Chocobo Breeding. Acheevs/Cups ram it down your throat and say "YOU ! HAVE YOU BRED A CHOCOBO! FUCKING DO IT!", it kills the sense of replayability and makes it so it's practically part of the main quest.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:57
Mushman
As a person who ONLY owns the PS3 and decided that it would be the only current gen home console he would buy, ( a decision that I do not regret in the slightest), and owning it for more than a year, I could give less of a flying fuck about trophies.

Seriously, unless they give me actual stuff to have off of the PSN store or net me cetan items in games or HOME, they can fuck off for all I care.

I never have, and never will get all the fuss about achievements or trphies, or the Steam achievements. They don't give you nothing at all, except robbing you of your life and wasting your time. Sure, you can brag like a prick, but everyone will think you are a arsehole. My penis is big enough without adding invisble numbers at the end of it. Screw having a e-penis, I have no want or need to waste my gameplaying time running after a bunch of invisble numbers or a crappy trophy.

I play games so that I can enjoy them and actually have a relatively stress free experience, why in God's name would I want to ruin that stressing over five bloody points or a stupid, digitized bronze trophy?

Trohoes and acheivents are not needed at all, IMHO. Play games so you enjoy them, not so you can earn a bunch of trophies or points, IMHO, that is.
superezekiel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 12:58
superezekiel
Side note: Lol at people thinking Platinums are anything other than a "You got every other damn Trophy go outside now please" reward.
snakebite's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:02
snakebite
Hating on trophies/achievements has nothing to do with trying to be "hip." It has to do with a desire to play games for fun and enjoyment and not just to satisfy obsessive compulsiveness. The fact that achievements get you to play a game past the point when you have stopped enjoying the game is hardly a good thing.

If you want trophies or achievements to have value, Microsoft and Sony should create a marketplace where points/trophies/whatever can be traded for things more tangible than a number, either in-game or outside of the game. That way, players can at least earn something more valuable than a number on a virtual card, and you can still do the OCD thing and gloat to your friends that your number is higher than theirs.
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:03
whormongr
yeah I don't care about trophies or achievements at all either ranking boards are cool in pvp or team games, but so far as playing a level over and over to get a trophy or achievement I really don't care at all
snakebite's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:04
snakebite
Let me add, though, that the slow XMB is just absurd. There's no good excuse for Sony there.
Mikular's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:18
Mikular
This post is clearly bias(ed). From this article it's clear that Jim MicroSterling loathes the far superior PS3 because he's British and gay and phat.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:25
wardrox
Don't agree, or quite understand what spurred this article. Seems like something more is happening than just what is written.
Zippyduda's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:26
Zippyduda
Oh go put your E-peen in the 360 and get it burnt off. Just kidding....

In all seriousness, I like getting trophies, the XMB for me is fine except on Home but I don't need to check it on there as you have text/voice chat anyway.

The games that don't have them, it doesn't bother me, games that do have them, adds some more play time but it hasn't affected the way I play until after I've finished the story and side quests etc.

@ superezekiel: That was one funny post.

It really depends what community of friends you have. As in my Games Design course all the 360 gamers are always arguing about who's got the most achievements and who boosts, and I find that sad, as they are literally shouting at each other about virtual life achievements, I certainly would not want to become part of that.

As for Trophies I'm glad they haven't made as much of an impression as I don't spend hours obsessing over them. Sure I'll go out of my way to get some of them but I don't buy games JUST for trophies like I know people do. I am a trophy whore but only on games I like, but I have too many at the moment so I spread it out which games to get em on. I only start going for trophies after I've finished the game, as it adds a new experience to the game, unless I get them automatically for playing the game etc.

The only games that the XMB are slow for for me is GTA4 and LBP. Maybe all your PS3's are faulty...

At the end of the day, I'm glad I got my PS3 before they came out, I'm glad they came out eventually, and I'm happy with the XMB and trophies in total.
Shoop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:28
Shoop
@ Mushman

Steam achievements in TF2 actually unlock weapons, but that's dumb for different reasons and probably changing.
Cleric20's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:37
Cleric20
Hey - Trophies are still a work in progress if you ask me...

Check the latest Singstar ones that unlock features and items in HOME - this is surely the future, trophies 'achieved' will be used to unlock cool stuff that actually adds something to the whole PSN experience...

I say bring it - looking forward to GTA V trophies that unlock unique minigames in HOME etc... Achievements might have the edge at the moment but like the whole 360 thing - they won't stand in the face of the Sony's world domination long term gameplan.

Will the EA '10 Fifa, Tiger Woods etc games link to their new HOME sports centre? I wouldn't bet against it.

Trophies are just starting to find their feet - check back this time next year to see how much more they have 'achieved'.

Nice one.
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:40
necrozen
I agree, Jim. Sony has so much potential to work with and it seems they really aren't focusing on connecting the player to the trophy as much as they should.

I don't want to upset those who are homephobic out there, but I think they could use home to improve the players connection to their trophies. Let us display them in our apartments, for instance. The problem here is that home still hasn't done anything to draw the obsessive gamer in beyond an occasional stroll. So they'd also have to fix that as well.

I think that if they made home more desirable, they could then use home to expand the desire of the trophy idea. Of course there are several other avenues they could take, this is just my idea.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:40
DaedHead8
Next week's Fanboi Friday article could be written using just the comments found here. Amazing. Good article Jim, I completely agree.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:41
Mushman
@Shoop

Sorry, I was referring to the 360 and PS3 in that staement, I knew about the TF2 achievments and what they unlock, it was my distain towards achievements that got the better of me and spurred a blanket staement.

But, as in Rev Anthony's post a few months ago, the fact is that as soon as a update is released on TF2, a massive, but not total, majority make the game into a achievement whoring shitfest. Sure, servers are still there for normal play, yet the fact is that a few dickwads DO come into the game and start ruining it, due to their pathetic need to get a damn pop up and a weapon they could easily get on a private server, if they bothered.

TF2 is still a wonderful experince to play, yet it's undeniable that the achievements have changed the landscape and the ameplay of the game. They don't riun the game, no, not at all, but they sure do make it needlessly fustrating to play, at times.

Oh, and I don't play on private servers, I have no steam freinds. :(
ScrewAttackDestin's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:43
ScrewAttackDestin
I'm glad you mentioned how much the motion controls suck on the PS3. I've always hated that they tacked on that useless feature to their console. Also while were saying Trophies suck, which I agree with, lets all point out how stupid Sony is with their implementation of a clock on the XMB.

Don't you love it when you're in a game and you want to see the clock so you press that PS button on your controller only to be greeted by a clock that is covered up by a battery? WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA? All they have to do is move one up or one down but nope, they're right on top of each other. Good one you fucking idiots.

Oh yeah and high 5 on adding text chat 2 years too late.

Fuck you XMB you suck.
Boatz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:43
Boatz
The thing I've always liked about achievements is that they improve you as a gamer. You could win most fights on SFIV with Hadouken and Crouch HK but achievements like Sunny Daze make you try out Super/Ultra combos and ultimately improve your SF knowledge.
myothercar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:46
myothercar
Bronze trophies feel meaningless but 5G feels purposeful? Come on, even a Bronze contributes a little toward your XP level rank. Bronze, 5G, same thing: they require very little effort to win, and shouldn't have much of reward at all.

The XMB is fully capable of sorting, so I hope that functionality comes soon- sort by most recent, alphabetic, trophy value, whatever makes sense.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:47
Jim Sterling
"
A) Trophies fail to be relevant,

or

B) Trophies just aren't implemented as well as Achievements?"

They are part and parcel of the same overall point, that Sony isn't doing a good job with Trophies. I don't see how the central point of the article is unclear.
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:53
Projectexodus
I'm kinda glad there's no pressure to get achievements on the PS3. It makes gaming feel more liberating.
teach4food's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:57
teach4food
Nice article.

I don't care about trophies on my PS3, none of my friends care, my kids don't care, and most importantly my students don't care. However, 360 achievements and gamer score are serious nerd cred on a high school campus.

Only PS3 trophy I would want is "Watched 100 Blu-Rays" or something like that
fatefodder's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/03/2009 13:57
fatefodder
I am not surprised by the laggy tacked-on feeling that Trophies give off. After all, they're just that--tacked on.

So I can deal with the shortcomings described in this article. What's disturbing to me is that you can only log in with one user profile at a time when using the PlayStation 3, meaning that you cannot locally share in the Trophy grubbing process with friends. This detracts from co-op experiences on the PS3 for those of us who are used to gaming on the Xbox 360.
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