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Call me crazy but won't doing shit like this get you in more legal trouble?
Well maybe not trouble but I can see his lawyers just freaking out right about now.
Well maybe not trouble but I can see his lawyers just freaking out right about now.
YOU LIED! It was exactly as bad as I thought it would be! Now I must go and kill myself. Good day to your sirs. I'm not the only one who seriously hates thats dude for his annoyingness right?
I must say, Geohot got balls of steel!
And his rap wasn't even that bad. I expected much worse.
Geohot 1 - Sony 0
Waits for a Kevin Butler rap...
And his rap wasn't even that bad. I expected much worse.
Geohot 1 - Sony 0
Waits for a Kevin Butler rap...
and this is the guy who cracked the PS3 - man... this guy beat Sony and is still coming off as not giving a fuck - this guy rules
I don't get it. Does he think he has some kind of "moral high ground"? Or he just don't care and do this for fun?
you can hate what this guy does all you want but lets face it - the kids a fucking genius and will make more money than any of us combined some day
Further proof that these people are f*cking morons.
Just shut up and admit you're breaking the god damned agreements and take your punishment. I don't normally side with Sony, but they have every right to rip this kid a new one. And I hope they do.
Just shut up and admit you're breaking the god damned agreements and take your punishment. I don't normally side with Sony, but they have every right to rip this kid a new one. And I hope they do.
He can be kind of a douchebag at times, but I still respect what he does, and this was pretty funny.
@RenegadePanda
He adamantly claims not to have a PSN. So he is not bound by the agreement. You cannot have an agreement inside the box and force people to follow it - that's illegal.
He adamantly claims not to have a PSN. So he is not bound by the agreement. You cannot have an agreement inside the box and force people to follow it - that's illegal.
waitttttttt up....before the flame war really begins to burn on this one, Hotz didn't hack the PS3 to illegally download shit. He was one of the people about 3 months ago at that conference where the hack was first announced who made it clear he wanted homebrew applications and reacted to Sony's complete stifling of the system with completely opening the floodgates for any and all.
He is a hero, in that sense, because Sony basically told millions of people to fuck themselves and not tweak their systems (emphasis on the consumers system). I bet this litigation will really expose a lot of shady copyright law and expand definitions of owernership.
He is a hero, in that sense, because Sony basically told millions of people to fuck themselves and not tweak their systems (emphasis on the consumers system). I bet this litigation will really expose a lot of shady copyright law and expand definitions of owernership.
waitttttttt up....before the flame war really begins to burn on this one, Hotz didn't hack the PS3 to illegally download shit. He was one of the people about 3 months ago at that conference where the hack was first announced who made it clear he wanted homebrew applications and reacted to Sony's complete stifling of the system with completely opening the floodgates for any and all.
He is a hero, in that sense, because Sony basically told millions of people to fuck themselves and not tweak their systems (emphasis on the consumers system). I bet this litigation will really expose a lot of shady copyright law and expand definitions of owernership.
He is a hero, in that sense, because Sony basically told millions of people to fuck themselves and not tweak their systems (emphasis on the consumers system). I bet this litigation will really expose a lot of shady copyright law and expand definitions of owernership.
Well, his fight for "freedom" has cost gamers increased prices to cover piracy, increased hackers in our online games (and what's the sense of even playing a game online when half the people have God-mode on??), he and his ilk have cost PS3 gamers the "other OS" option after hackers discovered a way to pirate games using it, they cause us constant security updates, they bring us new DRM schemes to battle hackers, and they drive our developers out of business so they can't make new games for us gamers.
Freedom??? He really thinks he's fighting for freedom? If he wants to turn his PS3 into a toaster, he's welcome to do so. If he wants to hack code then distribute it on the web so that other hackers can ruin gaming for the rest of us gamers... then yeah, I think I prefer Sony's version of "freedom" where I buy a game to support the people who worked hard to create it and If they break even or see a profit, they'll make more games for me to play. I think I like the "freedom" of online play where there are no people ruining the game for others. I think I liked having nice things like the "other OS" option.
I hope he enjoys getting his ass raped... not just by Sony, but by alll the gamers out there that are just tired of this shit and aren't going to passively look the other way any more.
Freedom??? He really thinks he's fighting for freedom? If he wants to turn his PS3 into a toaster, he's welcome to do so. If he wants to hack code then distribute it on the web so that other hackers can ruin gaming for the rest of us gamers... then yeah, I think I prefer Sony's version of "freedom" where I buy a game to support the people who worked hard to create it and If they break even or see a profit, they'll make more games for me to play. I think I like the "freedom" of online play where there are no people ruining the game for others. I think I liked having nice things like the "other OS" option.
I hope he enjoys getting his ass raped... not just by Sony, but by alll the gamers out there that are just tired of this shit and aren't going to passively look the other way any more.
@RenegadePanda: Did Geohot stole your luchbox or what is your problem? And which agreement do you mean? The one were you had to accept that OtherOS it taken from you?
If you want to put it in perspective the rap against Sony is as ridiculous as Sony suing him.
If you want to put it in perspective the rap against Sony is as ridiculous as Sony suing him.
guess what? Sony didnt want to allow it so THAT makes it illegal....you cant go re-writing the Constitution just because you dont agree with something, and neither can you break its laws....this is F'in retarded and so are all of this douches supporters..when this dudes family gets sued for everything they've got just to prove a point, I wont feel bad at all. This nerd deserves to spend his life in a cardboard box and ya know why? its people like this who think they're 'above the law' that end up committing ID theft, and other fraudulent crimes....All pirates need to pay the price..not only do yall F up the economy but also the individual companies yall take advantage of...@$$holes!
@Enzi
The EULA. That thing no one reads and mindlessly agrees to. Try reading it sometime. If you don't like it, don't buy their product.
The EULA. That thing no one reads and mindlessly agrees to. Try reading it sometime. If you don't like it, don't buy their product.
Better rapper than I thought. Also, I'm in the camp that even though it may have some negative effects on the PS3, this guy shouldn't really be punished too severely because he didn't really seem to break any major agreements. He may have helped enable pirates and hackers, but that doesn't seem like he should be punished for the deeds of others.
@daniel stein - i agree, pirates should be killed - george hotz iant a pirate however. you may say what he's done could open the floodgates for piracy, but what he's done isn't illegal. see: his past lawsuit with apple and jailbreaking the iphone. It's been determined that you can hack your phone legally, and also phone companies can legally not service you if you do so. Therefore, he can legally hack his ps3, but sony doesn't have to allow him access to PSN ever again. This is in the license agreement, that anyone using modified hardware/software will lose their PSN accounts and anything associated with those accounts. I just don't see what rule he's breaking here, especially since he hasn't tried to profit from it.
@Elsa:
Make sure you're blaming the right people. Criminal misuse of a tool that is not inherently bad does not make the manufacturers of that tool into criminals. I don't blame H&K for gun crimes, or Absolut for drunk driving incidents. The perpetrators of those crimes took something with a legitimate and legal purpose, and chose to use it in a way in which it was not intended.
Make sure you're blaming the right people. Criminal misuse of a tool that is not inherently bad does not make the manufacturers of that tool into criminals. I don't blame H&K for gun crimes, or Absolut for drunk driving incidents. The perpetrators of those crimes took something with a legitimate and legal purpose, and chose to use it in a way in which it was not intended.
@Elsa: Is this really how you feel about Geohot? Don't you think it's a little too easy to just finger point at one guy? It's not that he develops any stuff like IsoLoaders, writes cheats for games or ruins your online experience. That are different people.
You can't go around and blame people who developed stuff that can be abused. Life is just not that simple. Are you blaming Einstein for all the deaths that an atomic bomb caused? I know I'm going a little too far with this one but this is how I see it.
All the hate against him because he 'ruins' your precious online experience. He has nothing to do with it. Sometimes the comments on Dtoid really makes me sick. Just think a tiny bit further.
And I don't think games will be flooded with hacks. My online experiences on the PC are pretty hack-free and this is the most open system on earth.
You can't go around and blame people who developed stuff that can be abused. Life is just not that simple. Are you blaming Einstein for all the deaths that an atomic bomb caused? I know I'm going a little too far with this one but this is how I see it.
All the hate against him because he 'ruins' your precious online experience. He has nothing to do with it. Sometimes the comments on Dtoid really makes me sick. Just think a tiny bit further.
And I don't think games will be flooded with hacks. My online experiences on the PC are pretty hack-free and this is the most open system on earth.
guess what? Sony didnt want to allow it so THAT makes it illegal....you cant go re-writing the Constitution just because you dont agree with something, and neither can you break its laws....this is F'in retarded and so are all of this douches supporters..when this dudes family gets sued for everything they've got just to prove a point, I wont feel bad at all. This nerd deserves to spend his life in a cardboard box and ya know why? its people like this who think they're 'above the law' that end up committing ID theft, and other fraudulent crimes....All pirates need to pay the price..not only do yall F up the economy but also the individual companies yall take advantage of...@$$holes!
@Enzi:
I dont think he was blaming everything on Geohot, I think he was trying to say that Geohot is the source of the trouble... so if you wanna get rid of a problem, get rid of the source. makes sense to me.
I dont think he was blaming everything on Geohot, I think he was trying to say that Geohot is the source of the trouble... so if you wanna get rid of a problem, get rid of the source. makes sense to me.
people woho dont understand the economy need not speak of it, please.
Pirates are suggesting to the market that games are priced to high. VALVE has proven that digital sales are popular and profitable.
So in a recession (when savings is required and prices and wages need to fall, but most wont understand this without reading actual economic treatises (Cantillion, Smith, Keynes, Mises)) The producation costs (Shipping, paper, plastics, heavy metals for inks) are gone. This should lower the price of the good. But you MORONS out there wont realize this without reading a little instead of spending ALL of your money on overpriced games. SO what if thier profit margins shrink? The internet has changed the way that things are down. (For the better IMO) as so much is free and intantly accessible.
By definition the market participants can't "screw up the market." the only thing that can screw it up are CONTRACTS and LAWS. do a little research you fucking game obsessed bafoons.
Pirates are suggesting to the market that games are priced to high. VALVE has proven that digital sales are popular and profitable.
So in a recession (when savings is required and prices and wages need to fall, but most wont understand this without reading actual economic treatises (Cantillion, Smith, Keynes, Mises)) The producation costs (Shipping, paper, plastics, heavy metals for inks) are gone. This should lower the price of the good. But you MORONS out there wont realize this without reading a little instead of spending ALL of your money on overpriced games. SO what if thier profit margins shrink? The internet has changed the way that things are down. (For the better IMO) as so much is free and intantly accessible.
By definition the market participants can't "screw up the market." the only thing that can screw it up are CONTRACTS and LAWS. do a little research you fucking game obsessed bafoons.
Holy fuck, so many of you people are dumber than Lil Wayne fans. Or very good trolls.
@Daniel Stein; no it doesn't, you irritant. The DMCA specifically states that if you own something like an ipod touch, or an android cell phone, you're allowed to hack those in any way you please. You know what that means?
You own it, do what you want with it. Hacking a PS3 is not illegal. Downloading games that cost money and playing them for free is though, because then you're infringing all sorts of copyright and piracy laws. Piracy is equivalent to theft legally. Hacking your PS3/ipod/android phone/whatever isn't illegal. If you use it for homebrew, still not illegal. Apple tried this same shit against this same guy and failed for him hacking the iphone, and one Judge can't overrule another unless he's in a higher court. Sony will get the files pulled temporarily, but unless they can prove he hacked the PS3 in order to specifically allow piracy, they'll lose and probably get counter-sued.
@Elsa
His "ilk" didnt cost gamers the OtherOS option. He played around in linux, and found something that wasn't hidden in the slightest. Then, Sony came flaunting about the PS3 Slim, saying it couldnt do OtherOS, and took the option out of all PS3's claiming it was to have one universal firmware. If they hadn't taken it out, it wouldn't have been cracked bud. Second they took it away, it pissed off the linux hackers hardcore, and thats when they brought the pain.
See above; if the Judge is impartial, as he should be, then Hotz will win. Why does everyone feel the need to blame everything on him and the others?
If a car manufacturer made a car that has a touch lock with an admin pass of "1337" and someone found that out and then a bunch of people started stealing cars, no one would blame the guy who figured it out. They'd blame the car company for having such a HUGE gaping flaw in their security measures. At the end of the day, it's Sony's fault for getting lazy on the programming side. The fact that the 360 is more secure than the PS3 right now is just proof of how BIG a security hole that is; you can directly access anything on your 360 by spending like, 5 bucks on a cable. And they STILL catch people hacking 24/7.
The PS3 won't even have that because now they can spoof MAC addresses to get around console bans and just keep making new accounts. It's absolutely ri-fucking-diculous.
If I'm going to make a major investment on a game system (I'm sorry, if these things are popping out at 400-500 dollars to make per system, that's a major investment), I sure as fuck better have full ownership of it. Meaning, I should be allowed to do what I want with it as long as it's not illegal.
@RenegadePanda Uh, the EULA only says you won't hack the PSN. Says nothing about the console. You own the console, not the PSN.
I don't like that the PS3's basically not worth owning anymore either, but god damn get your shit straight people. At the end of the day, it's Sony's fault. If Hotz didn't do it, someone else would have. If not Waninkoko, then some other new kid. Hell, maybe even Dark_AleX.
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@Daniel Stein; no it doesn't, you irritant. The DMCA specifically states that if you own something like an ipod touch, or an android cell phone, you're allowed to hack those in any way you please. You know what that means?
You own it, do what you want with it. Hacking a PS3 is not illegal. Downloading games that cost money and playing them for free is though, because then you're infringing all sorts of copyright and piracy laws. Piracy is equivalent to theft legally. Hacking your PS3/ipod/android phone/whatever isn't illegal. If you use it for homebrew, still not illegal. Apple tried this same shit against this same guy and failed for him hacking the iphone, and one Judge can't overrule another unless he's in a higher court. Sony will get the files pulled temporarily, but unless they can prove he hacked the PS3 in order to specifically allow piracy, they'll lose and probably get counter-sued.
@Elsa
His "ilk" didnt cost gamers the OtherOS option. He played around in linux, and found something that wasn't hidden in the slightest. Then, Sony came flaunting about the PS3 Slim, saying it couldnt do OtherOS, and took the option out of all PS3's claiming it was to have one universal firmware. If they hadn't taken it out, it wouldn't have been cracked bud. Second they took it away, it pissed off the linux hackers hardcore, and thats when they brought the pain.
See above; if the Judge is impartial, as he should be, then Hotz will win. Why does everyone feel the need to blame everything on him and the others?
If a car manufacturer made a car that has a touch lock with an admin pass of "1337" and someone found that out and then a bunch of people started stealing cars, no one would blame the guy who figured it out. They'd blame the car company for having such a HUGE gaping flaw in their security measures. At the end of the day, it's Sony's fault for getting lazy on the programming side. The fact that the 360 is more secure than the PS3 right now is just proof of how BIG a security hole that is; you can directly access anything on your 360 by spending like, 5 bucks on a cable. And they STILL catch people hacking 24/7.
The PS3 won't even have that because now they can spoof MAC addresses to get around console bans and just keep making new accounts. It's absolutely ri-fucking-diculous.
If I'm going to make a major investment on a game system (I'm sorry, if these things are popping out at 400-500 dollars to make per system, that's a major investment), I sure as fuck better have full ownership of it. Meaning, I should be allowed to do what I want with it as long as it's not illegal.
@RenegadePanda Uh, the EULA only says you won't hack the PSN. Says nothing about the console. You own the console, not the PSN.
I don't like that the PS3's basically not worth owning anymore either, but god damn get your shit straight people. At the end of the day, it's Sony's fault. If Hotz didn't do it, someone else would have. If not Waninkoko, then some other new kid. Hell, maybe even Dark_AleX.
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