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PS3 graphics distancing from rivals, according to Sony photo

Scott Steinberg, Vice President of Product Marketing for Sony Computer Entertainment America, has stated that the PlayStation 3 is starting to show its graphical superiority over rival consoles, and that soon the graphics on other platforms will look quite dated. I'd never have expected Sony's marketing department to say such a thing. 

"I think that we're seeing, graphically, PS3 games starting to create some distance and some of the other competitors are going to feel that they're getting long in the tooth, looking quite dated, because they haven't created that ten-year vision from a horsepower standpoint," Steinberg told GI.biz

So, the PS3 has the best graphics. That's brilliant. Perfect, in fact, and as soon as we get lots of games to go with these graphics, then all will be grand. Tootling one's trumpet over graphics is all well and good, but it's a practice I find rather shallow and uninteresting when it's in lieu of talking about actual games. Graphics are important, yes, but the market has proven time and again that graphics are not the dealbreaker. The death of the technically superior Dreamcast in comparison to the PlayStation, for example, or the Wii's continued success indicates that Sony can create as much graphical distance as it likes, it won't matter while other platforms are delivering the gaming experiences that most customers want. 

"Wikkid Awesum" graphics shouldn't be Sony's prime focus, and I'm sick of hearing about them. Stop saying how great Killzone 2 looks and set about assuring me that it won't be as mediocre as the first one.








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Resonance's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 05:47
Resonance
Given that developers have very strict hardware specifications to work within, it always annoys me that they don't exploit the power of console graphics as much as possible (like they do with pc). The only reason we should see later games with superior graphics in a generation of consoles should be the developers learning how to develop for said console.
Josh Wanamaker's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 05:47
Josh Wanamaker
Sony really needs to do a better job of selecting the people they allow to publicly make statements in regards to their products. At worst they've got Jack Tretton, who said some of the stupidest shit ever last year, and at best they've got this guy, who's misinformed, baseless statements of superiority are just laughable. Seriously, if Sony can't find someone that's not an idiot to give interviews and make public statements, they should just shut the fuck up and save themselves the embarrassment.
Fadakar's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 05:48
Fadakar
Sad thing is when it looks as nice as it does I'm a big enough tool to get it just to gawk at the visuals. :(
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 05:48
RJG
Here here, Jim.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 05:51
Timmeh
This is a step in the right direction. At least marketing finally got the memo that the PS3 plays games as well as Blu-Ray! :P
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 05:55
Wedge
The death of the technically superior Dreamcast in comparison to the PlayStation

Wait wut?

And I just want a PS3/360 for a Rawkband machine still, fok the graphics =<.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 05:59
wonky360
Yup, Killzone 2 looks MUCH better than Gears of War 2 and Call of Duty etc ;)
The orig version had "Awesome" graphics too if I remember correctly. I also remember it sucking donkey balls. Shiny shit still tastes a bit shitty. Show me some great physics or unique interaction, graphics will only go so far. Killer Instinct springs to mind (showing my age). This title was founded on giant lies, I doubt it will ever be able to shake the negativity.
PikkonX's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:04
PikkonX
Outside of discussing Killzone, I can't really recall too many recent times where Sony has gone on and on about graphics. They've been talking more about their ten year plan and first/second party exclusives more than anything. The Dreamcast was also far from being technically superior to the PS2, but it was easier to develop for.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:09
Jim Sterling
The Dreamcast was designed to tackle the PlayStation and N64 and was graphically superior to the pair of them. It was praised for being ahead of its time, much like the PS3, but didn't gather momentum in time to survive the PS2, which hit sixteen months later.

My point stands, sirs.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:16
wardrox
Graphics do matter, countless games prove this. Go try playing a really good PS1 game, I dare you.

The PS3 is so badly made, designed and executed it's pinfull. But the brain of that frankanstinnian freak is, honestly, very powerfull.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:19
Jim Sterling
Wardrox: Of course graphics matter, at least to us lot, and I wouldn't deny that, but they are not the dealbreaker, and likely never will be. A lot of people are ignorant of hi-defz graphix or simply don't care, and many people would agree that a slight dated looking game that plays brilliantly > a fantastic looking piece of shit.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:22
Dan CiTi
The PS3 is much more well made than the 360 and Wii, wardockz
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:29
-PL-
I don't really see anything wrong with the PS3 "gaming experience". It's lacking in some online features, but a lot of people don't care much about that because they're not playing games online 24/7. Most of the decent games to come out nowadays are multiplatform anyway, so PS3 owners are really just missing out on a few select exclusives.

Besides, I've heard from a couple gaming podcasts who attended E3 that Killzone 2 is actually pretty fun. I know it sounds crazy, a game on the Playstation 3 being fun, but it's possible if you imagineer it. Imagineer it, Jim.
Psykocyber's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:33
Psykocyber
Good for them! But, if you truly care about graphics you will have a PC anyway. Console graphics is like small kids beating each other.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:34
ajaxender
I think graphics can be a deal breaker, depending on the gamer. Personally, the one, single, only reason i could be bothered playing Oblivion at all, was that it looked nice. In fact i only really put any effort into it once i got my 8800gts graphics card; over a year after the game was released. Even mods couldnt save it for me, if it didnt look good.

Graphics are just one ingredient in the stew that is a video game. You put the wrong thing in, or not enough of something, and it probably wont taste good; but sometimes putting a ton of one ingredient in can save it.
PikkonX's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 06:35
PikkonX
It was ahead of its time in many aspects, but not far enough ahead. I don't think anyone really considered it a true competitor to the 32 bit consoles when the PS2 was right around the corner and the MS console/Dolphin were being rumored about. Playstation was already the undisputed champion by the time DC launched(4-5 years after PS1 depending on the region). I believe it's a better comparison to put it up against the PS2/Xbox/GCN. Sega just launched it a bit too early in an attempt to get the jump on the PS2. Not much different than the 360/PS3 situation, except MS made sure their console would be able to compete.
PixelJunky's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 07:45
PixelJunky
If this was Cliffy B and some Exec for the 360 touting that the PS3 can't touch Gear 2 graphics, I'm sure there wouldn't be an article written anti-gears/360. This is a blatent flamebait article, which I've come to expect from Kotaku but not Detructoid.

Shame on you guys!!! Give Sony time and let's see if they can put their money where their mouth is.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 07:45
CALkulon
I'm a little confused by this article. You seem to slag off the interviewee for going on about nothing but AWESUM GFX!!11!, yet clearly the interview is a hell of a lot bigger than the small section you've quoted. All he's essentially said is that he doesn't want to copy Wii or 360, and that he thinks the PS3 has the most powerful hardware. People do want great graphics to go with their games.

Yes, there may not be as many great games on PS3 as we would like, but I'm prepared to wait if it means titles like LittleBigPlanet fulfill their (huge) potential.
hjd uk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 07:53
hjd uk
I call BS on this, The PS3 graphics Hardware is poor in comparison to the XBox360 Chip. To make up for the shortfall you have to do such revolutionary things as backface-culling on the SPUs to streamline the pipeline as much as possible. Plus the fillrate is worse tha nthe Xbox360 and it has less texture memory.

Its a decent Gfx chip for a console but its not as good as the XBox360.

Higher polycounts (maybe) and better sheer number-crunching on ps3, but with lower res textures and less post-processing. So 'better', no.

And before you say anything, I have a PS3 Devkit under my desk.
3r0t1c n3rd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 08:08
3r0t1c n3rd
Didn't helped the Xbox 1 back in the day that it had the best graphics...
superniall50's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 08:27
superniall50
@Wardox

Wtf? PS3 badly made? That's the most rediculous thing i've heard for a while...
Face's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 08:32
Face
The day I quit a game of Crysis because I had a hankering to play Cave Story was the day I realised graphics really don't matter to me. At all.
HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 08:48
HarassmentPanda
@hjd_uk

Thank you! I'm glad I didn't have to type that out. For number crunching, the PS3 wins; but the 360 has a superior graphics chip (even if it does constantly overheat). If Sony was really focused on a 10 year plan, they should have picked a graphics chip that bested the competitor's box.

Overall, I don't really care which has better graphics at all. Sure, Wardrox is right about going back to PS1 games, but I remember thinking they looked bad at the time. By the PS2/Xbox/GC generation, 3D finally hit its stride in the console space and I could go back and play any one of those games today. Give me a game that plays well with a pleasing aesthetic and I'm fine.
The Co-Op Podcast's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 08:53
The Co-Op Podcast
the real funny part isnt the graphics. its gonna be when the ported version sells more.despite who has the best graphics. think xbox and ps2...xbox had all the best versions...but didnt matter
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 09:02
Emrah
Gameplay rules, but graphics are icing on the cake, and sometimes, part of the cake itself. Here, they are not stating that they will win the console war with graphics; just that graphically, PS3 is getting better than rivals. I certainly don't mind having better graphics.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 09:07
hpv
Sorry Jim, this post is made of fail. First, the Dreamcast lost to the graphically superior Playstation 2, not the Playstation. Second, 90%+ of the games being released on 360 are also on PS3 and PS3 has stronger first party support giving it the exclusive advantage. So yes, the graphics likely will matter since it's not like 360 has omfg amazing games and PS3 has shit. They have the same games except Sony has better goods than halo.

You did fail at failing on Killzone though, so feel good about that. The game will probably be shit, just like the first one, regardless of how nice it looks.
parrothead's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 09:23
parrothead
If great game play was the measure than the Wii would be in last place...the PS3 just lacks the catalog. But I do love the fact you can upgrade it. I just put a 320 gb hd in mine, it is now my media hub. So it at least has that going for it.
nicojay's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 10:13
nicojay
RESPECT GRAPHIC PENIS SWAGGER
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 10:47
CALkulon
Panda, how the hell can a chip that constantly overheats be superior?!

At the end of the day we've seen little to no difference between the consoles thus far, and until that happens all this debate is worthless.
Spooky Electric's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 10:59
Spooky Electric
Yeah, the Dreamcast was made to compete with the PS2, NOT the N64 or PlayStation. That's what the Saturn was for. The reason it failed was because some many tools fell for the OMG THE PS2 WILL BE SO MUCH BETTERS hype that they didn't bother with the Dreamcast until AFTER its death. I distinctly remember fools on Tekken Zaibatsu talking about buying a Dreamcast after they announced cancelling development for it, and marvelling at all of the fantastic games and graphics.
Granted, the later PS2 games DID trump the better Dreamcast games visually, but if Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive 2 or Shenmue are any indication, there was quite a bit of untapped power that might've been put to good use if Sega wasn't so quick to kill it.
At this point, I know it's not happening, but I STILL yearn for Sega to get back into the hardware game. Problem is, if they do, they'll likely fail again to do their terrible marketting. Which leads back to the DC/PS2 vs 360/PS3 comparison. The reason the 360 didn't die under PS3 WILL BE SO MUCH BETTERS hype is because 1) after hearing the PS3's initial price, people deciding they weren't going to pay $600 no matter how powerful/feature intensive it is, and 2) Microsoft has the money to market its system properly AND pay just about every game developer to create games for it.
Spooky Electric's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 11:00
Spooky Electric
*to do was meant to be DUE TO. I clearly wasn't thinking when I went on my long ramble post.
MrFrunkus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 11:12
MrFrunkus
That's funny. Last I heard, the Radeon X1950XTX(Xbox360) was faster then the Geforce 7600GT(PS3)
stevesan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 11:40
stevesan
Well...gee Jim, this was a few sentences in an interview. And he was mainly talking about the horsepower - that includes horsepower for graphics _and_ game play (ie. more enemies on-screen, bigger levels, more AI, etc.). There's also Bluray's content capacity, which will allow for more detailed graphics _and_ more game play content. If anything, Sony has made a bet on more processing power than graphics: the RSX chip is actually a bit crap compared to the 360's GPU. Sure, it remains to be seen if the CELL is gonna deliver, but Bluray is starting to make a difference (see Carmack's comments).
stevesan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 11:43
stevesan
But, I do agree, at some point Sony needs to start revealing their first-party content. ICO...GoW3...DO WANT.
D-Nez's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 12:18
D-Nez
@stevesan: "There's also Bluray's content capacity, which will allow for more detailed graphics _and_ more game play content."

I really hope thats the case. I have trouble shelling out $60 for a game thats only a 6 hour experienceand many lately have been. Metal Gears Solid and a few other titles exploit the storage capacity afforded by Bluray but many don't. If Rockstar was able to fit GTA IV on DVD-9, developers can aim for the sky with Bluray. This might apply less to 3rd party titles but there sin't an excuse for Sony eclusive titles to fully use the benefits of Bluray. And even 3rd party developers take advantage of it aswell. Maybe when the 360 starts to receive inferior versions, Microsoft will be forced to find a solution for the limitations of DVD-9. Installing to the HD is a start but they also have to nit limit developers out there because some folks purchased an Arcade console. This is coming from a person that owns both consoles but primarily buys 360 multi-platform titles. I hope both consles succeed. I think competition is to the benefit of gamers; I don't understand the rampant "fanboyism" on game boaerds.
Vitamin Awesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 12:21
Vitamin Awesome
Unfortunately, Graphics are always going to be touted around as a selling point, ever since the 16-bit wars of old put such a strong emphasis on whose graphics were better.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 13:04
mix
Graffixczs rule!
Quest's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2008 15:38
Quest
@ wardrox

keep playing with you xbot because you don't know what your talking about for the PS3
Flaps's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2008 00:25
Flaps
OMFG...Sony blowing its own horn? Really, it took how long for the PS3 to start showing graphical superiority? Weren't they saying that from day -1?

Riiiiiidggge Raaaaaccccerrr!!!!

On a side note, I like my PS3...to watch movies on :/
Too Much Coffee Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2008 01:24
Too Much Coffee Man
i LOL @ Sony's "Graphics"

Console makers shouldn't be bragging about graphics, they should be bragging about games.

All console graphics look like ass compared to PC graphics.

Sony talking about their "10 year vision" is meaningless to everyone who wants "graphics". I mean look at PS2 graphics and then look at Far Cry which came out just 3 years later. The same exact thing is going to happen again.

Seriously Sony, focus on the games; because touting graphics is a losing battle. They've already pissed off tons of early adopters who shelled out $600 for a virtual paperweight for the first year, because of promises of "1080p" & "HD doesn't start until we say it does!"... They should stop crying wolf while they still have their brand credibility.

because..

The problem w/ selling to all those "sucker{s) born every second" is that when they find out they've been had; they tend to remember. the ones who can get through the first stage of consumer grief at least (denial AKA fanboys).
jordanlund's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2008 17:34
jordanlund
You're putting the Dreamcast in the wrong generation.

The Dreamcast marked the start of Generation 6 (Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube).

It was not competing with the Generation 5 machines (Saturn, Playstation, Nintendo 64).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console
Dyson's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2008 04:06
Dyson
I was going to make mention of the Dreancast/PlayStation gaff, but it's been taken care of.

Regardless, I agree with the main body. Great graphics aren't shit, unless you have a game to stand behind it.
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