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PS3 BioShock's ending remains unchanged -- should it have been altered? photo

In a recent article over at the Multiplayer blog, Stephen Totilo discusses the upcoming port of BioShock to the PS3. In a interview with Melissa Miller of 2k Marin, she spoke about the decision not to change the ending of the port, despite the negative feedback that portion of the game garnered. Her comments:

“We wanted to respect it ... the things we wanted to add were things that would complement what was created.”

For me, BioShock was everything I wanted and more despite the ending not quite fitting with the themes of the game. For an RPG gamer, there's often more emphasis put on the journey than there is on the resolution -- something we have been more or less used to for years. While I wasn't offended by the use of the word 'faulty' in reference to the game's ending, I don't think I would have used the same phrasing.

Furthermore, the idea of altering a game's ending for a port (and for the sake of gamer feedback) bothers the purist in me. I feel a great game should be what it is -- if we had gone back and altered the things about NES games that weren't a perfect fit, we wouldn't have the fond memories of them we do now -- and those memories include the flaws.

Do you agree with this concept (and 2K Marin's decision to leave the ending as is)? Or would it have been ultimately more fulfilling for you to see the game remade with a new ending that better suited the themes of morality outlined in the gameplay?

[Thanks, Joe]








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covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 16:27
covah
The temptation of posting a comment with the words in it is too much.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 16:31
Cowzilla3
Yea, I wouldn't go about altering it despite how truly out of sync it was with the rest of the game, you made your bed, sleep in it.
ian_esq's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 16:32
ian_esq
double post double post
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 16:36
MrSadistic
I don't know why you would change the ending of a port. It will only lead to more butt-hurt.
rdaneel72's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 16:37
rdaneel72
"Furthermore, the idea of altering a game's ending for a port (and for the sake of gamer feedback) bothers the purist in me. I feel a great game should be what it is -- if we had gone back and altered the things about NES games that weren't a perfect fit, we wouldn't have the fond memories of them we do now -- and those memories include the flaws. "

Please forward to George Lucas.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 16:53
SephirothX
Dont worry about the ending... why dont we fix the fact that the game was a big bust like Assassins Creed and the fact that the game isnt that good and is rediculously overrated.

Lets begin a list of gameplay concepts/ideas and storyline concepts/ideas that were original to Bioshock and werent pulled from a different (and better) game?

...
...
...

Oh wait, there isnt one.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:01
king3vbo
Dont worry about the ending... why dont we fix the fact that the game was a big bust like Assassins Creed and the fact that the game isnt that good and is rediculously overrated

Says someone with "Sephiroth" in their username
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:05
MechaMonkey
I gather Sephiroth didn't care for BioShock, and is butthurt because Andrew Ryan had a golf club and tasteful suit instead of an enormous sword and black leather.
burzumy's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:10
burzumy
It wasn't the greatest ending, true, not up to par with the quality of the rest of the game, but I really didn't think it was all that awful for a videogame ending. I mean, how many games have really great endings? Seems like many of the games I've beaten over the years pretty much just roll credits... Obviously, there are exceptions, but I kinda figured that the ending seemed worse simply because the game itself was elsewhere such a rich, narrative experience.
neveranything's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:13
neveranything
To put it simply, don't make a change to the core game (and I would consider the ending part of the core game) on one platform if you can't or won't do it across all other platforms.

Add extra content ON TOP OF the core game or make refinements at will, but do not CHANGE the core game.
neveranything's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:13
neveranything
To put it simply, don't make a change to the core game (and I would consider the ending part of the core game) on one platform if you can't or won't do it across all other platforms.

Add extra content ON TOP OF the core game or make refinements as console exclusives at will, but do not CHANGE the core game as a console exclusive.
J03yyz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:14
J03yyz
bioshock sucked.
it was a generic FPS.
get over yourselves.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:21
wardrox
J03yyz sucked.
he was a generic noob.
get over yourselfs.

Also, it should be the same, adding things is one thing, but to change them due to a few people's dislike is quite another.
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:22
Capn Birdseye
Its a sad fact that most games have pretty poor endings, even back in the old days.

Its pretty bad for business, actually, you want to leave the customer satisfied and rewarded so they come back to your product when the inevitable sequel is released.

I don't think they should have changed the ending only because it would have been a different game then - they should just devote their efforts to improving the sequel.
's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:40
Clint
I'd be for changing only if CliffyB was. It's his game and his story, and if he likes with it, that's the way it should stand. If he feels like there was more to do with it though, I'ld be fore it since it did feel a bit lack luster (although the evil one was actually pretty slick at the end.)
el_chack's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 17:57
el_chack
Bioshock was going to be a perfect System Shock like-sequel if it wasn't because "casual gamers". Because of them 2K made a simple gameplay. I haven't finished it yet, but I must say that System Shock spirit is inside Bioshock.
ElfShotTheFood's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 18:03
ElfShotTheFood
The "good" ending was apparently created by someone who failed to get a job at Hallmark.
Iron Dragon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 18:17
Iron Dragon
The whole second half of bioshock felt pretty crappy. As soon as the game stopped throwing weapons and plasmids at you it got boring. No I don't want fire plasmid 3. It's the same god damn thing as fire plasmid 1.

I did really enjoy the first half of the game though. Everything up until Ryan Industries was fantastic. The first half was basically setup to introduce you to this city they had created. Once they got to the actual plot and events in the second half the game became shit.

It's over rated and I only really got 6-7 hours out of it.
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 18:17
mourning orange
Bioshock had more atmosphere than 90% of FPS ever made...Those who don't understand that have no eye for art. Also, about the ending,in my opinion the true ending of the game is the last hour or two of gameplay,NOT the movies afterwords. As far as people thinking this game was average,it is really up to the player how creative they want to be,with the tools the devs gave them.
Atlas's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 18:47
Atlas
Atlas is Fontaine
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 18:48
vexed alex
"I'd be for changing only if CliffyB was."

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vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 18:48
vexed alex
@ Scary Womanizing Pig Mask

"I'd be for changing only if CliffyB was."

...

Thanks to Wardrox for pointing this out in IRC.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 18:49
vexed alex
Shit...your fail rubbed off on me...
Vlambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 18:52
Vlambo
Alex fails at life. Also, MARCUS IS FONTAINE
's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 19:01
Clint
@Alex
Oh crap >.< Frankly, I'm ashamed :(
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 19:08
Crunshii
instead of changing the ending, would have been cool to have an alternate ending as a option depending on your game actions.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 19:23
Darren Nakamura
I think they should have changed it. Your argument that we wouldn't go back and change NES games because we wouldn't have fond memories of them doesn't really make sense. Do you have fond memories of the ending of Bioshock? Or for that matter, do you have fond memories of the crappy parts of games that you like?
tylerdurden's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 20:13
tylerdurden
As someone has already said, the ending to the game was within the game. Maybe it's an issue with people expecting a game defining cut scene rather than the story being told in the game. Bioshock didn't need a cut scene at the end, it should have just ended, but as we expect a cut scene as a reward, it will never live up to the story told within he game in something like Bioshock.
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 20:32
TheDirtyHobo
It's not really a port's job to change the way the game plays out. It is a port's job to fix small errors and maybe add a few entirely new scenes. Changing the ending of the game really is changing the way the game unfolds, even though the original was a poor development choice. You also run into the problem with the event of a sequel (I haven't kept up with the news, but I hear there's a bioshock 2 in the plans, not sure if it's a sequel or prequel), which ending do you follow as the story's canon? Do you alienate the 360 fanbase that got the game first by giving them a continuation of a story based on an ending they haven't seen before?

And really, making a new ending doesn't solve anything. There's two major groups of people who will be buying Bioshock for the PS3. The PS3-only owners who are getting to buy Bioshock for the first time, and haven't experienced the ending for themselves, and the people who already played/own the 360 version and want to play the additional scenes. Those that haven't played the game and seen the ending before can't really complain about not getting a new ending because, well, they haven't seen the first one. Those that are buying PS3 version have already seen the ending, but they obviously love the game enough anyways to buy it a second time for a little bit of extra content, so I doubt that they care that much if it's not changed. No one really benefits from making a new ending.

Yes, it would be nice if they made a better ending, but they screwed up the first time, and there's not really any way to fix it for everyone now, so why bother?
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 20:56
F Whipple
The only acceptable method of changing it would be as a reward for something. Perhaps if you beat the game without dying or something like that
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 21:12
vexed alex
@ Scary Womanizing Pig Mask

<3
MF DOOM's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 21:51
MF DOOM
hmmmmmmmm, let me be your booo!
parrothead's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/25/2008 22:26
parrothead
Never played the 360 version, so the ending will be new to me!
Kyle's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2008 02:02
Kyle
I would have liked a number of changes - but I respect their artistic integrity.
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2008 04:10
CALkulon
I would have preferred it changed, but whatever, it doesn't bother me that much.

Maybe more endings, dependent on the number of little sisters you whooped? Seems a bit harsh to get the bad ending if, for example, you kill the first few but then tried to atone.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/26/2008 10:48
wonky360
crappy boss battle with big Hulk creature, yawn. Great game though, you will NEVER go back though.
The Amazing Shenazin's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2008 04:55
The Amazing Shenazin
I disagree, I think they should've changed the ending

oh well...
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