If Nintendo did that with the DS to 3DS, fanboys would riot over it. I can't believe how much shit Sony fanboys put up with from Sony, and just smile about it like there's nothing wrong. Its like battered wife syndrome. Sony only hits me, because he loves me. What a joke!
Most( only a couple aren't) psp games are available in both umd and psn, and I'm almost 100% certain that the vita will have access to psp games through psn.
You can play these games on psp/pspgo too. It is kind of in between paying to make he game digital and getting a second copy.
Unless the way they lock the umd to one psn account is destroying the umd...
Oh, thats right, it costs them absolutely nothing. They get to advertise their new platform as backwards compatible, then charge you for the privilege simply because they can.
Oh, and please don't give me that braindead "ZOMG ONERED, THATS HOW BUSINESS WORKS U MORON", because its not. Gamers just seem to be too deluded, braindead, or apathetic as a whole to understand/care.
Many people were probably hoping that this service would be free, seeing as how it was supposed to be a solution to the fact that they are 2 different beasts, and that alot of people trade in obsolete hardware once they upgrade.
This isn't backwards compatibility. It's new copies of your games in a digital format. Big difference.
also...

Yes, a UMD copy for use on the PSP. A digital license is a completely different animal, including the legal aspects with providing and protecting them. You can't simply give people a different version of a game out of convenience. That would be nice, but they have to get the greenlight from each and every single software publisher to do something like you and others are suggesting.
Yes... as a compromise for not being able to jam a UMD drive into the Vita. Just because it isn't direct compatibility doesn't mean it isn't meant to be an exact proxy of it, which it very obviously is, and on every possible level.
But please, if that assertion is wrong, tell me why. I mean, Urkle is convincing, but not really all that much.
Like I commented before, that is the case.
But at the same time, you never "own" a digital product, its license of use is given to you. Your getting a new license.
With a physical copy, you own the license as long as you hold and use the physical object it is sold on, and since this service is simply acknowledging a license you already hold and making it digitally available, it very well is like buying the same game twice, though also not....
Ugh...
Thanks for not raising my expectations, Sony.
In 2012, PSV releases... backwards compatibilty costs $7-13 per game. Gamers rejoiced!
Gamers are dumb.
Individual UMDs have to be registered per account to be offered the discount.
http://andriasang.com/comyxt/
Right, they're two separate licenses that don't work the same way. Buying a physical copy of a game doesn't give you a digital license as well. If that were the case, we'd have no used game market because we could easily buy a disc, rip it to our PS3, and return the game. Voila, free game. It's the whole reason there's no used PC market.
Point being, these new licenses have to cost someone something. It's blatantly ridiculous to expect Sony to foot the bill for each and every one of those digital licenses from the publishers, but that's never really stopped people from expecting blatantly ridiculous things of video game companies before, I suppose. That's not a dig at you btw, Ronin, just a general observation.
The article indicates there's a registration process. Each physical copy can only create one digital copy. How does that translate to a free game/killing the used game market?
"But please, if that assertion is wrong, tell me why. I mean, Urkle is convincing, but not really all that much."
Shit, I thought Urkle would do it. Alright fine.
It IS supposed to be an approximation of backwards compatibility, as much as that's possible in a case where media formats change. I think we can take it as a given that format changes have to happen every so often, right? Otherwise we'd all still be using NES cartridges.
So given the format change here, you can't really expect them to slap a UMD slot on the Vita in an age where slim form factor is a major selling point of portable technology. So what do you want them to do? As I pointed out in my last post, they can't just give you a new license for your UMD in a digital format because as naninani pointed out, those licenses work very differently. Unfortunately that IS how business works in this particular case. So what was your ideal solution, then?
Are they giving out "new" licenses, or validating the ones you hold on your umds?
...both, actually... no wait, neither... uhhh....
N-NNNNOOOOOHHHH
Publishers never give anyone anything for free. Ever.
@Ronin
This ventures into the realm of speculation on my part but I think it's speculation based in reality, at least. Yeah, you're having to pay despite the fact that you're acknowledging that you bought the game via the serial number inputting thingamabob. I'm going to assume that's translating into a lower price for you.
In other words, lets say you own MGS: Peace Walker on UMD and I don't. If I want that on my Vita, it might cost me 10 bucks on PSN. For you, with your serial number on your UMD, it costs you 5. Please note that these numbers are completely made up because, as was mentioned earlier, the prices in this article are conversions from Yen, and no USD prices have been announced. Point being, it's my assumption, and I think it's a reasonable one, that the extra step required of you to prove your purchase is reducing the cost to you for the digital license.
WOW! There are people defending this move? What the fuck is wrong with you people?
You shouldn't be surprised anymore. People has this insane retardo loyalty that they will defend something/someone they like no matter what.
The video game industry is making me sad.
Perhaps I wasn't clear on my point there. I was attempting to illustrate the difference between physical and digital licenses and why owning one doesn't guarantee you the other. The used game thing was just an example. It doesn't apply to this UMD exchange program. Sorry for the confusion.
Sony - can't fucking win with you whiny bitches.
Did you get free dvd versions of your vhs tapes?
or cheap cds of the tape albums you owned?
Etc etc.
Umd games and digital versions are 2 seperate products, only gamers would want both for the price of 1.
Answer me this, when you buy a game on 360 do you think you deserve it on ps3 too? I mean it's the same game, and you've paid for it once.. Would it be a dick move if you were offered the other for a discounted price? Or a fucking awesome deal?
isn't the vita a whole new platform? new gfx new controls? so why would people expect games for a last gen console to work on the new one?
Online passes, paying for content that was previously included in other games, paying for costumes and now they rationalize being charged for backward compatibility.
If you support this just imagine what Sony might do with the PS4. You might be paying to play Skrim again. Sony could dream up a new format and just claim PS3 compatibility was just too expensive to include because they have trained enough people to be stupid enough to believe it by then.
You know what? I'll just keep my PS3 and go with Nintendo, MS and Steam next gen. Save myself the trouble of having expectations for Sony.
You're missing the most base point in this entire situation: these games have already been purchased. There is no dispute that, at some point and by some method, these games have been purchased once already. Will you get a digital license for these games, then be able to do what you will with the hard copy? Seems so, yeah. We could debate all day whether taking some kind of theoretical hit to profits directly (and even in the most generous terms, this hit would be minimal at very most) is more than you should be willing to do to pull people into your product, but the business world is quite clear that pulling people in long term is far more important than a minimal short term loss. This is all assuming Sony would actually lose money, which would be an unlikely scenario.
You ask why Sony should have to foot the bill, but I ask why should we? Why should we have to pay for Sony's lack of foresight when it came to the UMD format? Sony had a long time to figure this whole thing out, they watched the PSPGo tank with this very issue among the reasons why. Why not team up with retailers, and offer a trade in service for the first year? Bring your UMDs in, get a digital code, UMDs are destroyed/recycled. Why not do any number of things that would benefit us after years of experience telling you this was an important issue?
Because instead of working on a solution to a problem they have had years to work on, with direct experience via the PSPGo, they can simply charge us. This is not a compromise, it is either an inability, or unwillingness, to address an issue that would benefit their consumers more than their shareholders.
"Sony - can't fucking win with you whiny bitches."
"Is there anything some gamers won't take right up the ass this generation?"
I love it when people are so sure of themselves they're willing to be outright insulting to anyone who disagrees with them. Immaturity at its finest. It's an interesting discussion we're having here, but lets be honest with ourselves, we're all talking out of our asses here. None of us know a damn thing about any of this beyond our own general impressions of how things do or should work. Insulting each other over it is just ... I don't even.
A: Because that shit's so last gen! *canned laughter*
Consumers should be demanding a digital license to replace their physical one. WE hold the power to change the industry here by NOT paying for a service like this and clamouring for change. By bending over with a smile and open wallet, we allow companies to continue to rape us.
But whatever... continue to rally behind these companies and defend their heinous abuse of consumer rights. You'll have no one but yourselves to blame when we hit an all digital future wherein games are leased and not bought.
There is no need to condescend, people are well aware of what to expect when they come to a comments section anywhere, and more than mature enough to endure the evils of casual banter.
And honestly, you always seem to fall back on the "none of us really know what we're talking about" line when things start turning against you. I have a fairly good understanding of things like this, not because I'm a genius, but because I go out of my way to understand things before I spout off opinions based on nothing. You have made it quite clear that you have no desire to do this, as is evident in all of your "Why do you care? Just play games" comments, so I'm left to ask exactly what it is you base your opinions on?
So, no. Not everyone is speaking out of their ass. Some people give enough of a fuck to want to understand things more fully, and nothing about this matter in particular is so hard to understand that anyone with 15 minutes of time couldnt create a well informed opinion on it.
"You're missing the most base point in this entire situation"
I'm sorry, I'm having trouble taking anything seriously today.
To the point though, no really, I think it is YOU, good sir, who misses the most base point, that is the fact that you bought a PSP game. You didn't buy a PSP + Vita + PS3 + PS4 + Xperia game. No one OWES you a copy of that game for any other system. Nothing on that box said "OneRed, we pinky swear, this'll run great on our next handheld."
This is, in my estimation, the very definition of the kind of entitlement gamers are guilty of lately. They don't owe you any of this. They're trying to do *something* so you can play your old games on this new system they weren't designed for, and the only solution that would satisfy you is if they gave you the sun and freaking stars. It's very 99% of you.
Honestly, be glad you're getting anything at all, or simply pass on it and keep your PSP. No one owes you a damned thing, ya know? If you bought a UMD, and that UMD played on your PSP, that transaction ended. Anything after that is pure charity.
SONY TOOK THE UMD's OFF OF YOU.
But after paying a small fee you end up with BOTH the digital version and the UMD version. You're free to give that UMD version to your mates, trade it in (if anywhere still takes / gives money for UMDs) or stick it up your bum if you so desire.
You end up with 2 copies and only paid a fraction of the price for the second one.
Whine on internet, whine on.
*ronin emerges from the dark hole in his mind caused by the brain fart he experienced during his previous comment, awash in a glowing light of KNOWLEDGE*
I know! I know! I know the answer to your comment about this thread!!
" All people who label others are total bastards"
I bet people would gladly pay $7 for a few PS2 games they own, but their PS3 doesn't play them, to have them on their PS3, but that option isn't there.
Jim, you really are just a whiny b!tch all of the time. It's either BOO HOO this or TROLOLOLOL that. You ruin this site for me.
"All people who label others are total bastards"
Right! ...wait. What?
Seriously though, it's even funnier when people that are guilty of it get angry about it when it's pointed out. RAWR NO I KNOW EVERYTHING IM SOME GUY ON THE INTERNET BUT I KNOW EXACTLY HOW EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD WORKS MY OPINIONS ARE INCONTROVERTIBLE FACT RAWR!
Yeah, I know, welcome to the internet. Still, hard not to see the humor sometimes.
Assert you're the mature one.
Claim we really all don't know anything.
I know how things were last gen. I know 3DS and Wii U offer BC with no fuss. How dare I expect to be treated as well as I was in prior generations!
I guess we should all just get down on our knees and thank the developers and platform holders we helped make successful for treating us like dirt now.
Or I could support those that don't treat me that way.
http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-wii-u-has-amd-graphics-no-gc-support-203333.phtml
I can go and create digital backups of all my games for free on my computer quite easily. As far as I know, we're legally entitled to create backup ROMs of our games. Physical format costs money to manufacture... digital copies cost NOTHING to reproduce.
Though I would much rather prefer something like $5 for the ability to play my own games. Shouldn't be much of an issue though since I doubt I'd transfer more than 3 or 4 anyway.
BRB, gonna go see if Amazon will give me a free digital copy for all the physical books I already own. If they argue that such a move would be insanely cost prohibitive, I'll tell them OneRed said corporations shouldn't worry about making money.

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