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Obviously this means the vita is doomed, Sony is falling apart, the worlds coming to an end, and dogs and cats are now living together.
Call me nuts, but maybe - just maybe - if a 16GB card didn't cost twice to three times what it should more people would be on board for Vita.
I can buy a 16GB SD card ranging at $19.99 to $29.99. A 32gb card would be $39.00 to $49.99, but the Vita equivalent is $99.99.
It totally kills the Vita price point.
I can buy a 16GB SD card ranging at $19.99 to $29.99. A 32gb card would be $39.00 to $49.99, but the Vita equivalent is $99.99.
It totally kills the Vita price point.
At some point, can we accept that this just may be a real problem? If things keep going so dismally publishers are going to start thinking twice, and while that may not affect the average American consumer, some of us continue to enjoy Japanese games.
And yes, Monster Hunter is out. Its doing quite well on the Vita's competition, that other system whose install base is growing exponentially faster than the Vita.
And yes, Monster Hunter is out. Its doing quite well on the Vita's competition, that other system whose install base is growing exponentially faster than the Vita.
I do not care about the Vita games.. I want the VITA for EMULATORS, someone Jailbreak that thing so we can get full speed SNES on the go:)
"At some point, can we accept that this just may be a real problem?" - Yes, at some point. A couple months into release? No. We need a bit more information before we start jumping to conclusions.
That said, I think handhelds in general are in a bad place.
That said, I think handhelds in general are in a bad place.
Own Proprietary Memory Card that costs 50% more than it should, horrible overpriced online store, games being unable to save on their own memory even tho they're on Memory Cards... Yeah, no idea why the Vita is doing badly.
Sorry Sony, even if you'd like to be, you're not Apple. Gamers won't fall for your overpriced shinies.
Sorry Sony, even if you'd like to be, you're not Apple. Gamers won't fall for your overpriced shinies.
best option is to still buy retail with a tiny-ass memory card. Can't wait for the hackers to bypass that shit
Hey did you guys know Vita memory cards are expensive? I just saw it on the news!
get the fuck over it
get the fuck over it
I picked up my First Edition Bundle at a midnight launch and I've been utterly in love ever since. I have 6 games for it that I'm actually enjoying and/or looking forward to playing. When I picked up my 3DS at launch, I loved it for a day or two and then just threw it aside for lack of anything to play.
The Vita certainly doesn't have a problem with lack of software, and I think it really caters to a Western audience. Gamesradar had an excellent article on the Vita in which they pointed out that the entry price isn't as terrible as most make it out to be. The PSP was $250 when it was first released, by comparison the Vita should cost even more for the tech it offers.
I don't think the price is going to deter initial buyers, they know what they're paying for. The argument I hate the most is "The Vita will drop in price and see a redesign, why bother?" Of course it will see a redesign and a price drop, can you name a console that came out in the past 10 years that hasn't?
I'll admit that I ranted a little bit there, but my point is that I think the Vita has a chance to do quite well outside of Japan. The sales numbers in Japan are abysmal but that doesn't signify the end. I really look forward to seeing how the Vita does over here when it "officially" launches next week.
The Vita certainly doesn't have a problem with lack of software, and I think it really caters to a Western audience. Gamesradar had an excellent article on the Vita in which they pointed out that the entry price isn't as terrible as most make it out to be. The PSP was $250 when it was first released, by comparison the Vita should cost even more for the tech it offers.
I don't think the price is going to deter initial buyers, they know what they're paying for. The argument I hate the most is "The Vita will drop in price and see a redesign, why bother?" Of course it will see a redesign and a price drop, can you name a console that came out in the past 10 years that hasn't?
I'll admit that I ranted a little bit there, but my point is that I think the Vita has a chance to do quite well outside of Japan. The sales numbers in Japan are abysmal but that doesn't signify the end. I really look forward to seeing how the Vita does over here when it "officially" launches next week.
Actually, a 'redesign and price drop' wont happen for some time. The designer said he wanted it to be thinner, but the engineers said it wasn't possible to do so and still fit everything in. This may change in the future, of course, but right now it just isn't feasible. Also, Sony is taking a loss with each Vita sold, so no way they are going to drop its price anytime soon.
The very moment Capcom announces a new Monster Hunter there won't be enough Vitas in production to satisfy the demand.
we already knew Vita would be dead on arrival.
1. all japanese retailers dropped price of 3G version of Vita less than 2 weeks after launch just to sell remaining copies and currently 3G version is already dead.
2. turned out that japanese developers and publishers canned most original Vita games that were in the works for Vita so it will be left with Wii/ps360 ports.
3. FOR FUCK'S SAKE, there's NO MONSTER HUNTER for Vita - capcom itself confirmed that when they said that it will be simply downloadable version of Monster Hunter 3 Portable for psp and since Vita emulates psp games you can play MH3Portable on Vita. that's it. you can forget about MH game build specifically for Vita.
4. as we've seen so far all Vita games bombed horribly and before sony fanboys will start blabbing about supposedly western-oriented games released so far on the Vita, i would like to point out that all japanese oriented games that are huge IPs there bombed in japan. Hot Shots Golf, Dynasty Warriors, Tales of or Ridge Racer - franchises that were launch titles on original PSP with first iterations that sold between 200-600k in japan alone can't even pass 100k copies(except Hot Shots which still is a flop considering the fact that original launch title on PSP sold over 600k in japan).
it's been 10 weeks and Vita didn't even manage to sell it's first initial 700k shipment in japan despite sony's claims how there was over 500k preorders for the damn console BEFORE launch.
1. all japanese retailers dropped price of 3G version of Vita less than 2 weeks after launch just to sell remaining copies and currently 3G version is already dead.
2. turned out that japanese developers and publishers canned most original Vita games that were in the works for Vita so it will be left with Wii/ps360 ports.
3. FOR FUCK'S SAKE, there's NO MONSTER HUNTER for Vita - capcom itself confirmed that when they said that it will be simply downloadable version of Monster Hunter 3 Portable for psp and since Vita emulates psp games you can play MH3Portable on Vita. that's it. you can forget about MH game build specifically for Vita.
4. as we've seen so far all Vita games bombed horribly and before sony fanboys will start blabbing about supposedly western-oriented games released so far on the Vita, i would like to point out that all japanese oriented games that are huge IPs there bombed in japan. Hot Shots Golf, Dynasty Warriors, Tales of or Ridge Racer - franchises that were launch titles on original PSP with first iterations that sold between 200-600k in japan alone can't even pass 100k copies(except Hot Shots which still is a flop considering the fact that original launch title on PSP sold over 600k in japan).
it's been 10 weeks and Vita didn't even manage to sell it's first initial 700k shipment in japan despite sony's claims how there was over 500k preorders for the damn console BEFORE launch.
@PhilK3nS3bb3n..dudddeee, I do not care about the Vita games so I do not need to pirate them.. I care about SNES games and I do pirate\ROMs:)
@The Silent Protagonist
The question here is - what is the card speed? Because if it's at 40-60+MB/s write, it can sit on that price point and call it, more or less, fair. Especially since Sony hardware always was more expensive.
Until I see specification that proves me wrong, I will treat those as super high grade flash cards, which are not in the price range you list here.
Also, if it will actually help to prevent hacking the hardware, I can bare the price. One of the main reason I use consoles is that 3rd party software is not openly allowed. I would love for MS to implement gaming mode in Windows, that, even with use of hardware card, prevents that. Because fuck that guy with aim bot.
And PS3 already proven that hacking the Sony machines, with their architecture, is 99.9% for piracy, since I don't think there is single worthwhile homebrew released for it, excluding backups launcher. So this argument is bullshit as well. Especially since you can develop for Android/iOS much much easier, do the same as you would like to on handheld and reach more people.
The question here is - what is the card speed? Because if it's at 40-60+MB/s write, it can sit on that price point and call it, more or less, fair. Especially since Sony hardware always was more expensive.
Until I see specification that proves me wrong, I will treat those as super high grade flash cards, which are not in the price range you list here.
Also, if it will actually help to prevent hacking the hardware, I can bare the price. One of the main reason I use consoles is that 3rd party software is not openly allowed. I would love for MS to implement gaming mode in Windows, that, even with use of hardware card, prevents that. Because fuck that guy with aim bot.
And PS3 already proven that hacking the Sony machines, with their architecture, is 99.9% for piracy, since I don't think there is single worthwhile homebrew released for it, excluding backups launcher. So this argument is bullshit as well. Especially since you can develop for Android/iOS much much easier, do the same as you would like to on handheld and reach more people.
Japan seems to be the only region that's not getting the game that really sets them on fire. NA is has the Uncharted to get riled up about, EU has FIFA. I guess EU gets hyped about FIFA, from what I'm heard, I dunno I'm not big on sports. But the one thing that was sure to get Nippon frothy with fanaticism, is noticeably absent. But, it WILL be along to save the day like a well timed superhero. So, things will all be OK.
I just bought the Vita yesterday and I can vouch that it is the coolest handheld ever!! Sony really put its heart and soul into this handheld device. I love it to death. In other words Fuck those Japanese, Cunt licking, spoiled, unappreciative ass holes. This device deserves to be sold. So buy it!!!
@Andy not really, this one for example is greatly exaggerated and has been reported as such.
"Turned out that japanese developers and publishers canned most original Vita games that were in the works for Vita so it will be left with Wii/ps360 ports."
Link or it didn't happen.
And I seem to remember sofik being in all the comment threads when people were claiming 3DS doom 2 months after launch, and he turned out to be right! So yeah, a little hypocritical.
"Turned out that japanese developers and publishers canned most original Vita games that were in the works for Vita so it will be left with Wii/ps360 ports."
Link or it didn't happen.
And I seem to remember sofik being in all the comment threads when people were claiming 3DS doom 2 months after launch, and he turned out to be right! So yeah, a little hypocritical.
I think it's kind of dumb how everyone is expecting Monster Hunter to save the day. That kind of says a lot for the Vita.
@BalloonFighter: more like says a lot for Japan - Japanese gamers have but a few beloved, system seller franchises, and Monster Hunter is way up there, with Mario, Dragon Quest, Pokemon and Final Fantasy (although recently to a lesser extent).
For me it's attractive as device I can use to extend my PS3 experience - sharing games and saves between machines, achievements, remote play etc. so I still consider getting one, but probably a little later this year, even if it wont have too many notable games.
For me it's attractive as device I can use to extend my PS3 experience - sharing games and saves between machines, achievements, remote play etc. so I still consider getting one, but probably a little later this year, even if it wont have too many notable games.
@Akodo - Go play a Vita demo kiosk. I believe they come packed with an Uncharted cart-based demo and the rest are on a memory card.
The data transfer speeds on Uncharted are well within reason, but the demo for Gravity Daze/Rush/Whatever - takes a minute to load to its own start up screen and then about a minute and a half to load the actual game. When it finally loads the game is good, but I could have been playing anything on my 3DS minutes before it got starteed
I don't recall PSP games taking this long and games saved to SD on 3DS certainly don't take this long.
The price of the Vita cards isn't for speed, it certainly isn't for security that'll be cracked in days after the US launch and the amount of storage for the asking price is pitiful. Drop the 32 GB card to $50 and then we'll talk, Sony.
The data transfer speeds on Uncharted are well within reason, but the demo for Gravity Daze/Rush/Whatever - takes a minute to load to its own start up screen and then about a minute and a half to load the actual game. When it finally loads the game is good, but I could have been playing anything on my 3DS minutes before it got starteed
I don't recall PSP games taking this long and games saved to SD on 3DS certainly don't take this long.
The price of the Vita cards isn't for speed, it certainly isn't for security that'll be cracked in days after the US launch and the amount of storage for the asking price is pitiful. Drop the 32 GB card to $50 and then we'll talk, Sony.
It's not all doom and gloom. 3DS sold shitty in it's first few months and it had more games the Japanese were interested in. Gravity Rush and Hot Shots Golf aren't enough to get people to plop down for the system and I don't think Uncharted has that much pull over there. Just like the 3DS once the games are there the systems will start to sell.
It may take longer in Japan because most of the games we're looking forward to (Resistance, Bioshock, Mortal Kombat, Call of Duty) aren't big over there. Once Persona comes out I expect to see a spike in sales.
It may take longer in Japan because most of the games we're looking forward to (Resistance, Bioshock, Mortal Kombat, Call of Duty) aren't big over there. Once Persona comes out I expect to see a spike in sales.
Didn't everyone say 3DS was doomed as well at launch? Too early to tell. If Sony plays their cards right (cheaper memory cards) and cheaper digital games I'll be on board.
The reality is 3DS and Vita are being destroyed by iOS. I don't known that I world buy any other portable device unless it made phone calls too.
Real shame the 3G version does not make any phone calls
The reality is 3DS and Vita are being destroyed by iOS. I don't known that I world buy any other portable device unless it made phone calls too.
Real shame the 3G version does not make any phone calls
There's no real incentive to get a Vita especially in Japan. High pricing can't justify the lack of appealing titles for Japan. For the west, it's almost the same. The games are pretty good, but they need more system sellers out there. Uncharted and a couple of ports (even though theyre decent) can't do it alone. I remember people flocking to the psp when GTA came out. Too many games are too far away for now.
I'm going to wait to see how it does here in the States because I don't want to buy this and then get fucked by a price drop soon afterwards.
I haven't played the thing myself, so I'm just throwing some conjecture without actual experience into the ring, so take what I ask for what you will.
Isn't the PS Vita better on nearly all accounts compared to the 3DS? It has better touch interfaces and more powerful hardware and networking features, and even a second analog stick right out the gate (not nubs either). So, is it really the price point of the memory cards that is causing these slow sales?
The 3DS may not have had a Vita to compete against at launch, but it did pretty well at $299 all the same(not great, NO WAY, but decent enough). These sales numbers are pretty baffling to me, and I thought Nintendo would be humbled for once these past six years.
Isn't the PS Vita better on nearly all accounts compared to the 3DS? It has better touch interfaces and more powerful hardware and networking features, and even a second analog stick right out the gate (not nubs either). So, is it really the price point of the memory cards that is causing these slow sales?
The 3DS may not have had a Vita to compete against at launch, but it did pretty well at $299 all the same(not great, NO WAY, but decent enough). These sales numbers are pretty baffling to me, and I thought Nintendo would be humbled for once these past six years.
Didn't mean to come off as a fanboy, by the way. Just weird to me that the numbers and specs and software lineups are resulting in these kinds of sales is all.
It'll pick up.
Its an expensive investment that not everyones going to have the money for. I had to bend over and do a triple somersault to pull the money together for mine, surely the price point is an issue. Maybe Nintendo proved a point when it dropped the price of the 3DS?
Also, maybe it proves something I've said for a while (not betting that it does, but its a hope): Having your prior system out, and still supported, for a cheaper price, hurts you. Maybe a lot of people aren't seeing a reason to jump to a Vita when the PSP is a cheaper, still viable, alternative. Sony didn't exactly sow this kind of confidence with the PS3, seeing as the PS2 is still getting some games from what I hear. So, maybe Sony should muster up bits of their douchieness and say "hey, we're cutting off this old thing, buy the newest to keep up." Its not the greatest plan in the world, but it might work for them.
Its an expensive investment that not everyones going to have the money for. I had to bend over and do a triple somersault to pull the money together for mine, surely the price point is an issue. Maybe Nintendo proved a point when it dropped the price of the 3DS?
Also, maybe it proves something I've said for a while (not betting that it does, but its a hope): Having your prior system out, and still supported, for a cheaper price, hurts you. Maybe a lot of people aren't seeing a reason to jump to a Vita when the PSP is a cheaper, still viable, alternative. Sony didn't exactly sow this kind of confidence with the PS3, seeing as the PS2 is still getting some games from what I hear. So, maybe Sony should muster up bits of their douchieness and say "hey, we're cutting off this old thing, buy the newest to keep up." Its not the greatest plan in the world, but it might work for them.
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