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It always bothers me when a blog filled with so much negativity is promoted to the front page (I'm particularly looking at you, Kyousuke Nanbu).
I'd argue that VC wasn't really a "success" solely based on the fact that it sold about a million copies and received positive reviews, but I have fallen for that trap before, and not again.
No matter how you may feel on the subject, I still turn to Extra Credits positive side of thinking: "If SEGA ever releases a new Valkyria Chronicles, give those guys some money!"
I'd argue that VC wasn't really a "success" solely based on the fact that it sold about a million copies and received positive reviews, but I have fallen for that trap before, and not again.
No matter how you may feel on the subject, I still turn to Extra Credits positive side of thinking: "If SEGA ever releases a new Valkyria Chronicles, give those guys some money!"
I watched a friend play VChronicles on PS3 and thought it was cool. Never played it myself but my heart goes out the fans suffering.
Very pleasant read, but I have to tell you, when I saw "dearth" used in that context my inner grammar nazi just squiiiiiirmed.
Er, yeah, oops. Anyways, I think we're lucky with what we got from Sega. I think we're lucky we got the first game, let alone a second one. The entire Japanese game industry is in massive decline, so this isn't just a matter of "OMG those Americans won't buy VC!" but also just the fact that Sega recently did a review of various projects and IPs to evaluate whether they would be worth doing or not in order for them to stay in business and they're trying to stick to those that will help them sell to a larger audience.
"a plethora of side quests and skirmishes provided a dearth of gameplay for players to come back to"
Dearth:
1: scarcity that makes dear; specifically : famine
2: an inadequate supply : lack
Gotta love it when these amateurs try to use these important words to sound smart. It's so cute!
Dearth:
1: scarcity that makes dear; specifically : famine
2: an inadequate supply : lack
Gotta love it when these amateurs try to use these important words to sound smart. It's so cute!
I hate to be the one holdout, but Sega can shit on whatever IP they like as long as they bring Yakuza 5 stateside.
Gotta love it when someones only 2 comments is pointing out mistakes, what a life you lead my friend. What a life
Is this another "Its my fault because I didn't buy enough copies cause we need to make it up to pirates" thing?
Gotta love when people go to great lengths to feel superior about someone using a word incorrectly. Now wait, it's actually quite sad really.
Let's do 5 seconds of research:
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=valkyria
VC1 sold 240,000 copies in Japan, its country of origin. In NA it sold 640,000. Solid, but not enough to justify PS3 Dev costs especially for Japan where the game is made. So they moved it to PSP, a more prominent console in Japan and cheaper Dev costs.
VC2 sold 180,000 in Japan. 90,000 copies in NA. Enough to justify a sequel in Japan, but no where near enough to justify localization costs for NA.
Where did those 640,000 people go? Granted some don't own PSPs or didn't like the game enough, but I wouldn't doubt that guy who said over 200,000 copies were pirated.
Don't get me wrong I love Valkyria, I own copies of all 3 games and played though the first 2 at least twice. SEGA didn't kill Valkyria Chronicles in North America, the fans did.
http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=valkyria
VC1 sold 240,000 copies in Japan, its country of origin. In NA it sold 640,000. Solid, but not enough to justify PS3 Dev costs especially for Japan where the game is made. So they moved it to PSP, a more prominent console in Japan and cheaper Dev costs.
VC2 sold 180,000 in Japan. 90,000 copies in NA. Enough to justify a sequel in Japan, but no where near enough to justify localization costs for NA.
Where did those 640,000 people go? Granted some don't own PSPs or didn't like the game enough, but I wouldn't doubt that guy who said over 200,000 copies were pirated.
Don't get me wrong I love Valkyria, I own copies of all 3 games and played though the first 2 at least twice. SEGA didn't kill Valkyria Chronicles in North America, the fans did.
Talk of Valkyria Chronicles and no mention of Jann! And here I thought it was going to derail into how many people were pissed about how a gay lancer is one of the best characters in the game :P
In all seriousness I'm one of those Valkyria fans since my friend showed this to me on Valkyria Chronicles one release weekend. And it has been disappointment ever since.
In all seriousness I'm one of those Valkyria fans since my friend showed this to me on Valkyria Chronicles one release weekend. And it has been disappointment ever since.
How can you blame the PSP? It has sold around 19 million in USA aloneand around 16 million in Europe, so you can in no way make an argument based around that the PSP is/was a commercial failure. Those who wanted to play VC2 or JRPG's most likely already had a PSP.
It made sense at the time to release VC2 on PSP, what with the Japanese sales and the PSP being a popular niche system elsewhere at the time. Development costs was nothing compared to the original.
It would make no sense if they released VC3 on the PS3 after releasing VC2 on PSP. The original didn't sell as well as you try to make out and neither did the sequel, regardless of the fact that it was released on PSP, so I'm not surprised we didn't see VC3 outside Japan.
Lastly, the fanbase was dissapointed that VC3 wasn't localized, not that the fact that it and it's prequel were released for the PSP.
It made sense at the time to release VC2 on PSP, what with the Japanese sales and the PSP being a popular niche system elsewhere at the time. Development costs was nothing compared to the original.
It would make no sense if they released VC3 on the PS3 after releasing VC2 on PSP. The original didn't sell as well as you try to make out and neither did the sequel, regardless of the fact that it was released on PSP, so I'm not surprised we didn't see VC3 outside Japan.
Lastly, the fanbase was dissapointed that VC3 wasn't localized, not that the fact that it and it's prequel were released for the PSP.
Valkyria Chronicles II was really poor. Not only did it look poor since it was on PSP, but the story was 100% stupid. The first game's one of my all-time favorites, with a great story and graphical style, in addition to the excellent strategic gameplay.
vc is one of the games i really really wanted to play through but devastatingly failed to. i think i almost cried during the "beat-the -big-fat-tank-that obliterates-your-chars-in-one-shot-only-to-have-your -remaining-forces-annihilated-by-that-irritating-blue-haired-woman" - mission.
i liked it though.
thanks for reminding me to finally buy a psp
i liked it though.
thanks for reminding me to finally buy a psp
I love Valkyria Chronicles. It's one of the best games I've played in the last few years. So, yeah, it is kinda disappointing how Sega has been completely butterfingered at handling it.
Still, could be worse. Sega could have tried to "broaden its appeal". *coughdeadspacecough*
Still, could be worse. Sega could have tried to "broaden its appeal". *coughdeadspacecough*
Credit to OP for the blog, but epic /slowclap for sheppy's on-the-nose assessment of where OP's arguments were wrong.
This article has a big giant "Citation Needed" hanging above it. What defines a success in this case? In truth, a success to a company is anything that makes a profit.
Unfortunately, this has changed throughout this generation. I still remember Capcom celebrating when Dead Rising broke 500,000 units, something that they were surprised at. That was within the first few weeks of release, not even on launch day. Now? Now EA claims Dead Space 3 needs to sell 5 million copies to be worth it.
Ha-buh-wha?!
The real question is, what were the sales of Valkyria Chronicles between the time it was released and the time the sequel began production? In addition, are you sure Sega made the decision for Valkyria Chronicles II to be on PSP and not the studio themselves? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just feels like a little bit more research was required and links provided in order to make a more objective point rather than relying on a subjective perspective and hyperbole.
I think you did touch on a small point right at the beginning, though. The marketing. This is one of my issues with a lot of games in general. No one knows how to market anything. Was a game good? Yes. Will it get a sequel? No. Why? It didn't sell well. Was there actual marketing for it? Only if a couple videos on the company's YouTube channel counts.
Modern Warfare sold a lot because Activision marketed the shit out of it before it was a gaming juggernaut. Nintendo games, which are so far beyond conventional gaming wisdom of "what sells", have a tendency to sell well. Why? Because Nintendo markets their shit. I even saw a commercial for Kid Icarus on ESPN.
There's also the simple fact that, at the time, PS3 was not the most dominant platform in America when Valkyria Chronicles released. It became a game to buy when you bought the system, but it was one of the first few exclusives worth buying the system for (for many folks, at least), and wasn't enough to justify the investment.
Unfortunately, by time I myself took the plunge on a PS3, well, I just have too huge a back catalogue of games that I haven't gotten Valkyria Chronicles yet. Them's the breaks.
Is it crappy that Valkyria Chronicles II moved to PSP? Yes, but unlike America, portable gaming is a lot more attractive to Japanese consumers than it is in America, and it allows a lot of Japanese developers with quirky games that "don't sell" in the US to develop a game for cheaper.
There's a lot of issues that CAN be discussed here, but they are glossed over in favor of a flawed conclusion, primarily that Sega has manipulated Valkyria Chronicles into a position of failure (which it clearly hasn't failed, unless you are a Japanese business man looking at US numbers and figuring "It's not worth the cost of localization, packaging, shipment and retail space".
As for Anarchy Reigns, well, who knows why they did that? It seems any "competition" this summer for a game like that wouldn't even be until August, and I don't even think Darksiders or Transformers quite make for competition to such a different style of game.
Unfortunately, this has changed throughout this generation. I still remember Capcom celebrating when Dead Rising broke 500,000 units, something that they were surprised at. That was within the first few weeks of release, not even on launch day. Now? Now EA claims Dead Space 3 needs to sell 5 million copies to be worth it.
Ha-buh-wha?!
The real question is, what were the sales of Valkyria Chronicles between the time it was released and the time the sequel began production? In addition, are you sure Sega made the decision for Valkyria Chronicles II to be on PSP and not the studio themselves? I'm not saying you're wrong, it just feels like a little bit more research was required and links provided in order to make a more objective point rather than relying on a subjective perspective and hyperbole.
I think you did touch on a small point right at the beginning, though. The marketing. This is one of my issues with a lot of games in general. No one knows how to market anything. Was a game good? Yes. Will it get a sequel? No. Why? It didn't sell well. Was there actual marketing for it? Only if a couple videos on the company's YouTube channel counts.
Modern Warfare sold a lot because Activision marketed the shit out of it before it was a gaming juggernaut. Nintendo games, which are so far beyond conventional gaming wisdom of "what sells", have a tendency to sell well. Why? Because Nintendo markets their shit. I even saw a commercial for Kid Icarus on ESPN.
There's also the simple fact that, at the time, PS3 was not the most dominant platform in America when Valkyria Chronicles released. It became a game to buy when you bought the system, but it was one of the first few exclusives worth buying the system for (for many folks, at least), and wasn't enough to justify the investment.
Unfortunately, by time I myself took the plunge on a PS3, well, I just have too huge a back catalogue of games that I haven't gotten Valkyria Chronicles yet. Them's the breaks.
Is it crappy that Valkyria Chronicles II moved to PSP? Yes, but unlike America, portable gaming is a lot more attractive to Japanese consumers than it is in America, and it allows a lot of Japanese developers with quirky games that "don't sell" in the US to develop a game for cheaper.
There's a lot of issues that CAN be discussed here, but they are glossed over in favor of a flawed conclusion, primarily that Sega has manipulated Valkyria Chronicles into a position of failure (which it clearly hasn't failed, unless you are a Japanese business man looking at US numbers and figuring "It's not worth the cost of localization, packaging, shipment and retail space".
As for Anarchy Reigns, well, who knows why they did that? It seems any "competition" this summer for a game like that wouldn't even be until August, and I don't even think Darksiders or Transformers quite make for competition to such a different style of game.
I think you underestimate how popular the PSP is in the Japanese market. They still release games on that platform in favor of 3DS or Vita.
Is anyone surprised? Really? This is Sega we are talking about here. Sega! If any publisher in the world didn't know how to please it fans base, or know how to make good decisions, its Sega. Sega are just a bunch of idiots most of the time. Here they had a brand new IP that could have been a smash hit. They would have created an IP to rival even Final Fantasy in the West.
The fact that a JRPG of sorts was actually successful in the west, and Sega let it die on the PSP instead of actually nurturing the damn thing, is absolutely insane to me. They should have jumped right to the sequel. They should have made the sequel on the PS3, and kept western audiences in mind. Of course it would have sold well in Japan no matter what they did, they needed to focus on the west.
And what did we get instead? A damn PSP game that played like a damn childrens show. One that had little of the spark the first had. How could you mess up such an awesome franchise Sega? All you had to do was use the resources you already had on the first, make a sequel, promote it twice as much as you did the first (which means 2 posters in a truck stop in the middle of the Arctic) and wait for success.
You couldn't even do that.
The fact that a JRPG of sorts was actually successful in the west, and Sega let it die on the PSP instead of actually nurturing the damn thing, is absolutely insane to me. They should have jumped right to the sequel. They should have made the sequel on the PS3, and kept western audiences in mind. Of course it would have sold well in Japan no matter what they did, they needed to focus on the west.
And what did we get instead? A damn PSP game that played like a damn childrens show. One that had little of the spark the first had. How could you mess up such an awesome franchise Sega? All you had to do was use the resources you already had on the first, make a sequel, promote it twice as much as you did the first (which means 2 posters in a truck stop in the middle of the Arctic) and wait for success.
You couldn't even do that.
They killed it by 1) Not updating the original with Trophies like every other high profile title. 2) Not releasing the sequel on PS3.
Dumn, DUMB, D U M B!
Dumn, DUMB, D U M B!
The PSP has sold 2 million more units in the US than in Japan. Add in the sales in Europe, and it's sold 17.2 million more units than in Japan. Add in the total non-Japanese sales, and it's sold 46.4 million more units outside of Japan than it did in Japan. It's sold more in total than the Xbox 360, and that console has only sold a total of 1.5 million units in Japan. It's actually, going off your logic, weirder for a game to be released on the 360.
Finally, the Gamecube only sold a total of a pathetic 21 million worldwide - and if you take North America out of the equation, it only sold 8 million worldwide - so the comparison to releasing a Gamecube game doesn't add up. Not saying this as a fanboy, I don't even have a PSP, but there's a lot of weird misinformation and incorrect implications in this article.
Finally, the Gamecube only sold a total of a pathetic 21 million worldwide - and if you take North America out of the equation, it only sold 8 million worldwide - so the comparison to releasing a Gamecube game doesn't add up. Not saying this as a fanboy, I don't even have a PSP, but there's a lot of weird misinformation and incorrect implications in this article.
I really don't get the decisions Sega is constantly keep on making. Take Shenmue for instance. No, I'm not gonna whine about how the should have made Shenmue III years ago, but there's one question that keeps popping up: Why did Sega release a Dreamcast Collection for several systems but did not include two games which were really expensive to make at the time to squeeze a little extra buck out of them? Be honest, people: How many more Dreamcast Collections could have been sold if Shenmue 1 + 2 were in it? Quite a few, I imagine. But maybe it's too costy to port those games to HD consoles. Maybe only Triple A titles like Sega Bass Fishing deserve that kind of treatment. Still, Sega could have released a Shenmue Double Feature on the Wii. They wouldn't have needed to up the resolution to HD, include achievements or trophies and so on. They could have ported the games straight over to the Wii, enabling Classic Controller support and include some shitty motion controls (like they did with a lot of their other Wii titles) and there you go - two old, but still tight core games for a platform desperately in need of games apart from Wii Fit or Wii Sports Resort. They didn't do it. They were not ready to invest a little money in porting and marketing those games. They decided to leave the franchise to rot in their basement. And what did we get instead? Glorious Sega Bass Fishing - in HD!
Sega made so many plain stupid marketing descisions during the last decade, it's ridiculous. Actually, why did they port Shenmue II to the first Xbox - a console that had a relatively small user base back in the day - instead of the PS2, which had the biggest user base of the last generation? As a huge fan of Yakuza, I'm glad they didn't completely fuck this up. They almost did it with Yakuza 3: First they didn't wanna bring it to the West because Yakuza 2 - a PS2 game released in late 2008 - sold very poorly (surpise!), later they finally released a heavily cut version of the game. Fortunately, that one sold well enough to bring us Yakuza 4 and Dead Souls which did considerably well. Sega could have f*cked this up big time - it's only thanks to the fans who put up with their bullsh*t that they didn't. Valkyria Chronicles wasn't so lucky though.
Sega made so many plain stupid marketing descisions during the last decade, it's ridiculous. Actually, why did they port Shenmue II to the first Xbox - a console that had a relatively small user base back in the day - instead of the PS2, which had the biggest user base of the last generation? As a huge fan of Yakuza, I'm glad they didn't completely fuck this up. They almost did it with Yakuza 3: First they didn't wanna bring it to the West because Yakuza 2 - a PS2 game released in late 2008 - sold very poorly (surpise!), later they finally released a heavily cut version of the game. Fortunately, that one sold well enough to bring us Yakuza 4 and Dead Souls which did considerably well. Sega could have f*cked this up big time - it's only thanks to the fans who put up with their bullsh*t that they didn't. Valkyria Chronicles wasn't so lucky though.
"It always bothers me when a blog filled with so much negativity is promoted to the front page (I'm particularly looking at you, Kyousuke Nanbu)."
What did I do? I didn't write this.
Again, my opinion, Sega is a horrible festering turd of a company that needs to be put out to pasture, for the sake of the licenses under its banner, I've said many times before, Sega can screw up crap like Sonic and their other IP's all they want, but shit like this or Platinum games that constantly get shit on? No, I draw the line there.
What did I do? I didn't write this.
Again, my opinion, Sega is a horrible festering turd of a company that needs to be put out to pasture, for the sake of the licenses under its banner, I've said many times before, Sega can screw up crap like Sonic and their other IP's all they want, but shit like this or Platinum games that constantly get shit on? No, I draw the line there.
Problems with this blog:
1. It's Western-centric. I guess the series is failing because it doesn't take the time to translate sequels that admittedly never sold that well in the first place. But then how much could it be failing if they're making sequels in the first place? Many good games don't even get that honor. (I'm reminded about that one game about Good and Evil and so forth.)
2. Odd measures of success - the author is measuring "success" by overall happiness in the fanbase, while Sega is measuring "success" by dollars earned to dollars out. By the author's logic, the games would achieve the greatest success if they were handed out for free and then beloved by all. This would ensure the highest possible fanbase and exceptional success, while also leading to Sega's bankruptcy. This is a failure of perspective.
3. Marginalizing the PSP and its usage. Hell, the OP goes on to say of the good things in VCII, the gameplay was improved. I would argue that a part of that was the move to the smaller scope. One of the things holding VCI back (as much as I love, love, loved it) was that some of the missions were just way too damn long, and things going poorly in the second part of a mission can cause a lot of pain (ameliorated somewhat by in-battle saves but I digress). A smaller scope would help streamline a lot of things while making it more accessible. (I won't get into whether VCII succeeded or not.)
4. Attributing the so-called failure of the game in the west primarily to its platform. Although admittedly the author says that the fanbase didn't really go for the story even though they liked the gameplay, in fact goes on to say that the second game really isn't as good as the first. Yet, that can't possibly be due to the developers, it's the PSP's fault. This is incongruous. A simpler explanation is that the game didn't satisfy its western fanbase and so the western fanbase DIDN'T BUY IT. Sure, Sega aren't casting as wide a net as with the PS3, but let's be honest - enough people own a PSP that games can be sold on that platform. P3P anyone?
It also has weird problems with the consistency of its intuition. When complaining about the decision to go to PSP, the author makes a point of how the graphics, being a principle part of the Goodness of VC, would suffer in the transition to a smaller scale (which is a silly conclusion - artistic style is one of the few things that does compress well, and yet it's the "number one" concern), but then goes on to say how the art was one of the few things that DIDN'T suffer. Yes, I understand the temporal perspective shift, but it's handled awkwardly. The points were designed to stand out and they stand out in an incongruous manner.
Although I would say the biggest gripe I have with this post is how the author doesn't always explain things, but rather expects us to side with him because he says so. For instance, the switch to PSP was where "Sega went wrong" and "an utterly befuddling decision" - why? It's not because of what COULD have gone wrong, which is what he talks about the rest of that paragraph - and the majority of which doesn't even turn out to be true. It was what DID go wrong, which he doesn't really got to the heart of until two paragraphs later, and even then only by comparing it to the first VC. So what ends up happening in the post is that the author takes a stand and expects us to be with him without explaining why, and that's the point he lost me from his argument.
Also with nitpicking: the author spent way too long in singing the praises of the first VC. Yeah, some buttering up goes a long way in developing the arc of the story and the poignancy of the argument. But jeez, a third of the article is too much. The interesting bits are where Sega (supposedly) went wrong, not How Valkyria Chronicles Is So Great.
1. It's Western-centric. I guess the series is failing because it doesn't take the time to translate sequels that admittedly never sold that well in the first place. But then how much could it be failing if they're making sequels in the first place? Many good games don't even get that honor. (I'm reminded about that one game about Good and Evil and so forth.)
2. Odd measures of success - the author is measuring "success" by overall happiness in the fanbase, while Sega is measuring "success" by dollars earned to dollars out. By the author's logic, the games would achieve the greatest success if they were handed out for free and then beloved by all. This would ensure the highest possible fanbase and exceptional success, while also leading to Sega's bankruptcy. This is a failure of perspective.
3. Marginalizing the PSP and its usage. Hell, the OP goes on to say of the good things in VCII, the gameplay was improved. I would argue that a part of that was the move to the smaller scope. One of the things holding VCI back (as much as I love, love, loved it) was that some of the missions were just way too damn long, and things going poorly in the second part of a mission can cause a lot of pain (ameliorated somewhat by in-battle saves but I digress). A smaller scope would help streamline a lot of things while making it more accessible. (I won't get into whether VCII succeeded or not.)
4. Attributing the so-called failure of the game in the west primarily to its platform. Although admittedly the author says that the fanbase didn't really go for the story even though they liked the gameplay, in fact goes on to say that the second game really isn't as good as the first. Yet, that can't possibly be due to the developers, it's the PSP's fault. This is incongruous. A simpler explanation is that the game didn't satisfy its western fanbase and so the western fanbase DIDN'T BUY IT. Sure, Sega aren't casting as wide a net as with the PS3, but let's be honest - enough people own a PSP that games can be sold on that platform. P3P anyone?
It also has weird problems with the consistency of its intuition. When complaining about the decision to go to PSP, the author makes a point of how the graphics, being a principle part of the Goodness of VC, would suffer in the transition to a smaller scale (which is a silly conclusion - artistic style is one of the few things that does compress well, and yet it's the "number one" concern), but then goes on to say how the art was one of the few things that DIDN'T suffer. Yes, I understand the temporal perspective shift, but it's handled awkwardly. The points were designed to stand out and they stand out in an incongruous manner.
Although I would say the biggest gripe I have with this post is how the author doesn't always explain things, but rather expects us to side with him because he says so. For instance, the switch to PSP was where "Sega went wrong" and "an utterly befuddling decision" - why? It's not because of what COULD have gone wrong, which is what he talks about the rest of that paragraph - and the majority of which doesn't even turn out to be true. It was what DID go wrong, which he doesn't really got to the heart of until two paragraphs later, and even then only by comparing it to the first VC. So what ends up happening in the post is that the author takes a stand and expects us to be with him without explaining why, and that's the point he lost me from his argument.
Also with nitpicking: the author spent way too long in singing the praises of the first VC. Yeah, some buttering up goes a long way in developing the arc of the story and the poignancy of the argument. But jeez, a third of the article is too much. The interesting bits are where Sega (supposedly) went wrong, not How Valkyria Chronicles Is So Great.
@UnfathomableResistance
"It always bothers me when a blog filled with so much negativity is promoted to the front page (I'm particularly looking at you, Kyousuke Nanbu)."
Uhh... what? To my knowledge, we've never promoted a Kyousuke Nanbu blog. At least, I certainly haven't. And seeing as how he hates me, I probably never will.
:D
I kid, I kid. After all, I promoted a SephirothX blog... and he hates me too :)
@Aurain
Way to piss off, like, EVERYONE. Anything to get those hits, eh?
"It always bothers me when a blog filled with so much negativity is promoted to the front page (I'm particularly looking at you, Kyousuke Nanbu)."
Uhh... what? To my knowledge, we've never promoted a Kyousuke Nanbu blog. At least, I certainly haven't. And seeing as how he hates me, I probably never will.
:D
I kid, I kid. After all, I promoted a SephirothX blog... and he hates me too :)
@Aurain
Way to piss off, like, EVERYONE. Anything to get those hits, eh?
In case it hasn't been said yet: Japanese game companies care far more about domestic sales than America and Europe. And with the attitudes of Western gamers being so spiteful of Japanese success, can you blame them?
Im grateful for the two great PSP games but, no one can deny that VC2 was just SEGA shamelessly aiming for the lowest common denominator in Japans current gaming culture by cramming every high school trope into the umd. I love VC2's gameplay but fans have every right to deny it as a true sequel. SEGA doubled down on dumb and expected westerners to follow Japans unconventional trends.
Im seeing a lot of blame being cast on piracy and im surprised no one has come to realize that pretty much 95% of the westerners that bought VC2 played for exactly 5 minutes and then heard the main protagonist laugh and immediately took to da pirate bays for a UNDUB copy.
I dont believe that VC is dead but with the way things are going it might as well be as far as the west is concerned.
@detractors
Hey now blaming each other isn't gonna do much other than raise your cunt/dickhead ratio so stop it. What we all need to take away from this is '08 was a very different time than '12 and with a cult following coming to fruition fashionably late VC is an IP that must not be forgotten or underestimated.
Im seeing a lot of blame being cast on piracy and im surprised no one has come to realize that pretty much 95% of the westerners that bought VC2 played for exactly 5 minutes and then heard the main protagonist laugh and immediately took to da pirate bays for a UNDUB copy.
I dont believe that VC is dead but with the way things are going it might as well be as far as the west is concerned.
@detractors
Hey now blaming each other isn't gonna do much other than raise your cunt/dickhead ratio so stop it. What we all need to take away from this is '08 was a very different time than '12 and with a cult following coming to fruition fashionably late VC is an IP that must not be forgotten or underestimated.
I agree that Sega can be dumb, but it's not news that Japanese developers think more about the Japanese reception of their games more than the western reception. Also, stop acting like console games are so superior to portable games. I am so tired of this attitude. Yes, not as many people own a PSP, but that doesn't make it a bad console. Yes, VC2 is not as good as the first, but that is not because it was built for a portable console. It's because Sega made a mediocre game, not because it was on the PSP.
" The one universal praise Valkyria Chronicles received was for its beautiful art style, and this was the number one thing a PSP sequel would hamper, not to mention the size of the potential player base.
I meant to reply to that. The graphics were fine, and psp has ALWAYS had a larger userbase than ps3, even in the us
On PSP piracy, from my experience, the PSP was similar to the Wii. People bought it, played a few games, and then it collected dust in the corner.
All the PSP owners I know rarely used the system after the first few months. They did all their handheld gaming on Nintendo systems and later on phones, while general gaming was done primarily on consoles and PCs.
As sad as it is, I think piracy mostly just gave people reasons to keep using their PSPs. (Heck, there were people buying PSPs who had *no intention* of even playing PSP games at all, instead looking for easy handheld emulation of other systems' games.)
All the PSP owners I know rarely used the system after the first few months. They did all their handheld gaming on Nintendo systems and later on phones, while general gaming was done primarily on consoles and PCs.
As sad as it is, I think piracy mostly just gave people reasons to keep using their PSPs. (Heck, there were people buying PSPs who had *no intention* of even playing PSP games at all, instead looking for easy handheld emulation of other systems' games.)
I love the Yakuza series, so Sega's not really on my crap list, but it's true: the Valkyria Chronicles series deserved far better.
I amm with you guys and want Anarchy Reigns worldwide and every Valkyria Chronicles to go worldwide too but, I'm not sure if you should consider Valkyria Duel to be significant proof of SEGA messing around anymore than Namco Bandai having card games for One Piece or Dragon Ball.
Other franchises have had their most recent --- or only games --- in the form of card games, arcade games or phone games. Often, these go under the radar soon after when a mainstream project is announced too. Expecting a direct sequel everytime that a trademark is leaked especially with the name it had which implied a fighter or something out of continuity isn't ideal.
Other franchises have had their most recent --- or only games --- in the form of card games, arcade games or phone games. Often, these go under the radar soon after when a mainstream project is announced too. Expecting a direct sequel everytime that a trademark is leaked especially with the name it had which implied a fighter or something out of continuity isn't ideal.
I have nothing useful to add except to say VCII with all the DLC is currently available on the PSN for $22.49 (for a limited time, like the last year or so!), while the standalone game is *also* listed on the PSN at $39.99. *boggle*
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