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Pro-Left 4 Dead 2 Steam group causes trouble photo

I'd promised myself I'd step away from the Left 4 Dead 2 silliness for a little while, but this one is just too good to pass up. The 30,000-strong mob of angry protesters whose lives have been ruined by the announcement of L4D2 now find themselves standing in opposition to a pro-game group, and have been attacking it. Yeah, this has reached the point of farce.

"In my opinion, these are some pretty stupid arguments, where all evidence came from a Left 4 Dead 2 Beta teaser trailer. May I remind you, a beta is not the full finished version of the game," states the L4D2 Enthusiast group's page. "They are also saying things like; 'Valve is a greedy company, only releasing L4D2 to get money!'

"Okay ... Well, guess what? Sequels happen! Lets see, hmm ... CoD: World at War, Modern Warfare 2, a new Madden game practically every 9 months, and the list goes on and on ... But no one has ever made such a big deal like this in responce to a sequel until now."

Despite the group starting off as rather harmless (albeit somewhat unable to spell), the L4D2 boycotters were apparently offended by the idea of somebody actually be pro-L4D2, and have been spamming and attacking the group. Steam has now become a grazing ground for the Drama Llama with both sides taking potshots at each other.

It's all become incredibly nonsensical, but it's fun to stand back and laugh.








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pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:05
pascuz46
Your right Jim this is ridiculous. Wait a minute, that's your opinion....and your opinion doesn't count because you don't like Infamous. Good day sir.
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:05
Char Aznable
And to think: all of this energy could have been better spent actually playing fucking games.
prolifikstudio's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:08
prolifikstudio
if valve wants L4d2 to come out nothing can stop that it's already too late. I mean they have already spent a ton of money on it.
Chibi_Zero's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:09
Chibi_Zero
I'm just going to sit back and laugh at all of this. I figured something like this would happen.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:09
PappaDukes
Jim, you bring up an excellent point. I am going to start a Madden protest. This shit has gone too far! EA doesn't even support my Madden 98 game on my Genesis anymore! BASTARDS!
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:11
DF
All right, I said that I can understand the protestors' point of view, but God damn. I hope Valve goes out of business and L4D2 doesn't come out, nor Episode 3, Portal 2, and the rest of the class updates for TF2. In fact, how about we shut down the TF2 servers! Yeah.

Nice job breaking it, heroes. =\
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:11
Kraid
"They are also saying things like; 'Valve is a greedy company, only releasing L4D2 to get money!'

Money to feed their children and pay their rents !??! BLASHEMY !

You keep on typing some stupid unemployed non-sense on your mom's computer in your mom's basement; I'll be in the XBOXs playing teh Left 4 Deed.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:13
TheToiletDuck
As far as Valve is concerned they can take a dump on my chest and i will be fucking grateful. If anyone has deserved the right to do what they want, it's valve.

also, stfuajpg
AnEvilBrowny's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:15
AnEvilBrowny
People have to hate, it is inevitable. I do agree that this is quite entertaining. Sad, though, that there is so much hate around something that is supposed to provide so much laughter and fun. I do bet that many of those thousands of people boycotting are going to end up buying the game anyway.
GameraTheGreat's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:15
GameraTheGreat
Is Capcom, Konami, Toei, Ubisoft, and every other major publisher that makes sequels abusing the fan base? Sounds like some PC snobs that are upset that they can't play the same game for 10-15 years due endless streams of free content and mods. Welcome to the console world. They should just say fuck the PC'ers and make 2 an exclusive for the 360! I bet there would be a whole "new" outrage if that happend. The sad thing is many of these boycotters will buy the game anyway....
AnEvilBrowny's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:17
AnEvilBrowny
@ ToiletDuck

Agreed.
Dimly's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:18
Dimly
Ironic how they're using Valve's free community/ media program Steam to do the heckling.
Havoc Fang's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:26
Havoc Fang
When I read the line about the boycotters spamming the Pro-L4D2 group, I had an mindsplosion.

You expect to be treated seriously when making a complaint, a very weak and mostly busted up complaint in the form of a BOYCOTT, you act at least a little professional about it. Trying to cover up anything that is against what you say, even if it is wrong and you could look BETTER by saying how it is wrong, by use of rage-spam only makes YOU look wrong.

I know a guy who is anti-L4D2 and his reason, that it looks too similar to the point it shouldn't be a sequel, is valid. But when one of your excuses was "Because the fiddle music is bad", then your falling over your own retarded helmet.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:35
falinter
Now all we need is a neutral L4D2 group to stand by and repeat everything each group says and laugh at them.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:43
GoldenGamerXero
Jim please go there and just tell them to STFUAJPG!
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:49
Tubatic
I...

What?!!
trunxkam45's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:51
trunxkam45
All these people should just sit tight for NEOTOKYO!!!

whoop dere it isss
Kris S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:52
Kris S
Lol never mind these fuckwits Jim, I just watched your Prototype review on youtube; quality :) Though you are going to have your own boycott group when Prototype gets the higher score.
ah ah ah ah staying alive
Swizzler121's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:52
Swizzler121
those aren't quotes. you fixed their grammar to make them sound more intelligent.

"They are also saying things like; "Valve is a greedy company, only releasing L4D2 to get money!"

Okay... Well, guess what? Sequals happen! Lets see, hmm... CoD: World at War, Modern Warfare 2, a new Maden game practicly every 9 months, and the list goes on and on... But no one has ever made such a big deal like this in respond to a sequal until now."

not only is most of that info incorrect, its written by a grade-school dropout.
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 10:59
HiddenAHB
Only if Valve waited 4 years to release the sequel..
Wait, those bitches would whine anyway so, from my point of view Valve is in a lexical quandry.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:01
Daxelman
This is the point where Valve should bring out the Banhammer.
AngryJoeShow's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:02
AngryJoeShow
@Jim_sterling
JIM COME ON MAN this is stupid ass hell man, I JUST commented on Aziz and now this? Well since you guys are going crazy over this left 4 dead 2 crap, might as well post my response there HERE:

You know what? Screw you guys. Screw Hamza CTZ Aziz, Screw Jim and Screw Adam.
Look at Left 4 Dead 2 yourself compare it to left 4 dead the original and ask yourself if it feel like a sequel or an expansion.

Eff this im making a response video. We got these 3 guys bashing on gamers WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS about the game.

STOP WHININGSZ LOLZ. Well you know what? No one is forcing you guys to not buy left 4 dead 2, so why dont you guys quit YOUR bitching over other Peoples opinion. Let them do what the HELL they want with their money...

Oh and this whole "Game companies dont own you the gamers anything" iS HORSE MANURE.

Adam, Jim, and Aziz Light expect a video response tonight from the OTHER side. You want to act like this is some HUGE controversy. Well the report both sides.
DonPixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:03
DonPixel
Well it is certainly ridicolous that people care so much.. in the other hand no matter how much I respect Valve it was a stupid decision to come out with L4D2 so soon... they should have sell campaings and characters ala Fallout 3 in Xbox live and steam.. why a full release? i like the game but not feeling like a full secuel just right now..

Hopefully their gonna learn for this... you dont sell a product market dont want, period.
AngryJoeShow's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:06
AngryJoeShow
Wait and now we have "Vavle-Loyalists" Attacking these gamers who look at L4d2 and see an expansion and not a sequel?

This is f*cking retarded.

What is the American Revolution? Its just a damn game people. why the hell would you attack your fellow man just for his opini....oh. right.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:08
Shadowiii
Just buy the game or don't buy the game. Shit.
HertzaHaeon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:11
HertzaHaeon
Joined!

Have fun NOT playing L4D2, haters.
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:16
Char Aznable
@AngryJoe

From the makers of Hamza CTZ Aziz, we introduce Aziz Light. Now with 40% less body hair!

Seriously, dude. Give it a rest. This story is tiresome. Like Shadowiii said, let your wallet do the talking and move on to something you actually enjoy playing.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:19
wardrox
Fucksake
Kris S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:19
Kris S
@AngryJoe
But nobody is forcing these people to buy the game either and they have been told that L4D will still be supported. If they don't want it, they don't have to buy it. I mean as far as I know Valve don't force you too buy games.
I don't get what you're angry about but then you weren't shouting me out so whatever. For me personally, I believe that people are entitled to their points of view but if they want to make a thing about it and start a pathetic protest group then they deserve all the flak that comes to them, especially when they come on here and attack all of us for wanting the game.
That's my take on it anyway, feel free to put your point across.
Kris S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:21
Kris S
"I mean as far as I know Valve don't force you too buy games. "

Don't know what was going on there..should be to. Oops :P
KMCC's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:21
KMCC
@AngryJoe: ?????????????
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:27
Darren Nakamura
I searched for a pro-L4D Steam group to see if I could join it, and there were like, hundreds, each with only ten members. I sort of just want to show Valve support though; I'd rather not get into it with the anti-L4D people.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:29
Kraid
@KMCC : I fucking lol'd thanks a lot.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:42
Chris Carter
@AngryJoe
So you're allowed to have an opinion, and others aren't? It's not even like you disagreed with it: you just straight out said they shouldn't have an opinion.
AngryJoeShow's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:43
AngryJoeShow
@ Otomiruninja Those L4D2 Boycotters are not "My Side" neither are the Valve-Loyalists. This just got to new levels of stupid and I'm rethinking the angry video response.

If I do the points I would make were the original points I was going to make 2 months back when I was making a retrospective on "Why does everyone think Left 4 Dead" Is a God among games. Because really its not all that great. (and then include some stuff they should put in the next one).

I was putting together a list of things for the video then BAM vavle announces left 4 dead 2 and they really only address one of the things I had ready - We need Melee weapons.

So Your right man, It would be stupid to get involved in this loyalist vs rebel thing. I'm just going to go with my original points.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:43
Timmeh
Jim Sterling - staunch defender of conveyor belt sequels.
AngryJoeShow's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:50
AngryJoeShow
@Magnalon
I Guess thats a good point. But its These guys who are bitching about other peoples opinion - as if they aren't allowed to have one. Then I bitch about these guys bitching about the original bitching about L4D2.

A whole lot of bitching going on.

The fact is that it does still look like a "conveyor belt sequel" similar to what madden does every year. At least right now it does.

Does anyone know if they have completely revealed every new feature so far? Maybe all this is for nothing.
Ikey Heyman's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:50
Ikey Heyman
haha, wow. can't say I'm surprised. all this L4D2 drama is doing for me is just making me more impatient for its release. I want it bad. D:
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 11:59
Holyetheline
@Havoc Fang

Dude, it's weird... my friend was like "I don't like that fiddle music, though." and I was like "WTF Dude it's zombies in New Orleans they're not gonna be listening to hip-hop or metal..." and he was like "O ya!" so all you gotta do is educate them a little.... and seriously, fuck those retards who hate on Valve for L4D2.
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:01
UglyDuck
NO!


NO NO NO NO NO!
Don't step away from this shit. It's fantastic. I want this more than anything else on Dtoid. Fuck the people who say it's too much coverage.
KidKobun's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:03
KidKobun
Ummm if there was a new Madden game every nine months wouldn't they eventually begin to release before the calendar year they are issued? That would mean that from the release date of any given Madden title, within three years from that day, four Madden games would have been released; two within the same calendar year (Jan-Dec).

I don't think so Tim.

Also, I have to somewhat agree with the people causing the fuss. There is still a lot of mileage in L4D, and the same can be said with CoD4, but instead they choose to release an entire new game. It is sad how far the average consumer attention span lasts these days...nanoseconds. Actually, in this case roughly a year.
Blackdeath's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:12
Blackdeath
In a group of over 30k, theres bound to be a couple that are just morons and obnoxious, I dont see how this is a portrayal of the entire group. If thats the case the pro L4D2 people are no better since they've been trolling the other group since day 1.
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:12
RICHARD BLOCKER
And now, A few quotes from AngryJoeShow:

"Adam, Jim, and Aziz Light expect a video response tonight from the OTHER side."

"@ Otomiruninja Those L4D2 Boycotters are not "My Side"

Thanks for coming out, Joe. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.
817539's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:20
817539
I don't really like the idea of making a sequel so soon. But then again, its not like I hate it either. I'm just gonna sit down and play some L4D2 when it comes out. No soon-sequel racism on my part.
waves's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:25
waves
Meh. It does seem a little soon to release another full price game. Then again I thought the first L4D was a bit bare bones, and not really worth $60. I was hoping they'd add some more campaigns or something...

So I won't be picking this one up, but it's hard to get too worked up about it. I will simply buy a different game and play it. Wee!
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:39
mix
And the funny thing is that if the games gets pushed back 6 months or something people will whine their asses of.

I lol at most people for being so fucking stupid.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:39
Los255
This is the most retarded non-issue in the history of gaming. Confirmed.

"DURR HURR VALVE R GREEDY!"

They're gonna get you're money regardless even if it was released 2 years from now...
andycadaver's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:39
andycadaver
I believe we have hit a milestone, ladies and gentleman. We are at the pinnacle of gaming development. If we rise up and scream about the injustices of bodacious sequels, new vicious zombies, and innovative new gameplay features, as gamers united, we can destroy Valve and put an end to their grossly-nonegotistical and gamer-friendly reign of badass zombie pain.

Seriously though, I'm so weary of this. All you interesting people out there need to find something more productive in your lives to protest, maybe actual oppression, and identify it as well as you've falsely identified this. I admire your tenacity, o' bitches, my bitches, and I salute your resolve. It would be an honor for you to lend your talents to something much more important. Where were all of you douchebags back in 2003 when we were protesting war in Iraq?! Oh that's right, probably sitting on your ass and complaining about another video game franchise 'selling out'.

But I've clearly found the worst possible place to rant about this. I love you DTOID users.
AngryJoeShow's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2009 12:45
AngryJoeShow
@RICHARD BLOCKER
Nice. What did I win? Maybe you should have won something too! You are an excellent detective. However the other side, my side, is just simply that l4d2 = expansion. Not the "Boycott" Side. I'm happy though that your around, i'd like to see your breakdown of some other comments if you would.
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