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I am about to utter a something I would have never, ever thought would escape my lips, and it is this:

Rush Limbaugh could not be more correct.

On Rush's radio show yesterday, a caller phoned in and essentially made the same assertion Jack Thompson made on Fox: namely, that the shooter had most likely been trained by video games, or had been brainwashed by them, etcetera. Rush responded:

"Not every video gamer goes out and murders 33 people on the college campus though.  There's more to this than that.  We can find all kinds of societal problems and ills, but the fact of the matter is that whatever you would look at as a bad influence -- video games as you mentioned -- it may desensitize people, but it doesn't turn everybody into mass murderers."

Just goes to show you that you can't judge a pundit's stance on video gaming by their political slant; Jack Thompson has many liberal equivalents, and, evidently, one of the most conservative people in America agrees with us gamers.

Hit the jump for the rest of the transcript. 

CALLER:  What I really think is an issue is video violence, video gaming.  I will guarantee you, I'll bet my last dollar in my pocket, that this shooter will be found to have been a compulsive video gamer, and when people are living that kind of lifestyle -- and college students do this a lot.

RUSH:  Look.

CALLER:  Yeah?

RUSH:  (sigh) Let's say you're right.

CALLER:  Okay.

RUSH:  Not every video gamer goes out and murders 33 people on the college campus though.  There's more to this than that.  We can find all kinds of societal problems and ills, but the fact of the matter is that whatever you would look at as a bad influence -- video games as you mentioned -- it may desensitize people, but it doesn't turn everybody into mass murderers.

CALLER:  You're absolutely right, but the classic forms of brainwashing are involved with compulsive video gaming: sleep deprivation, food deprivation, isolation, and then, as I say, if you're shooting people eight hours a day in a cyber-environment, then it just lowers the resistance to honoring human life.

RUSH:  Well, look, there's no question that some people probably are affected by that.  In this case, let's not jump the gun on this guy and make him a video gamer.  We'll find out soon enough everything we want to know about this guy, and I guarantee you that much of what we find out will be America's fault.  Just be patient.  This stuff will all come out.  I want to ask you people a question.  I want you to be honest.  You don't have to tell anybody else what you think.  You don't.  You can answer this privately.  I'm going to ask you a question.  You do not have to tell anybody what you answered.  When you first heard the news yesterday, and the death toll kept rising and it finally got up to the 30, 32 number, the 33, how many of you were not really all that profoundly affected by it?  The reason I ask the question is, how many of you have become desensitized? The previous caller used the word. There is so much violence on television and in the movies, the video games, I guess, you want to throw those in, violence in newscasts, and we hear about 35 people dead in Iraq every day.  

Some people just after awhile, you don't have an emotional reservoir left.  Your emotion is all spent.  You can only care about 35 people shot so much because, here we had 30, 33 people killed, 30 injured in one incident, but the number of deaths on the highways -- which, granted, are not murder, but there's a pretty big murder rate in the country, various cities around the country. I just wonder how many people, when this first happened, were desensitized. It didn't affect them the way it would have if it -- and I have no answer for this, I'm just asking the question because... The reason I asked this is because this is so extraordinary. I would be surprised if a whole lot of people said that it didn't affect them.  But within our generations, our two generations, the last 50 years, there have been a substantial number of these things.  Not every day, not every year, not every month, of course.  They do happen, but they are not symptomatic of something wrong in the country.  Now, I remember when I was hosting my television show, this would be the early nineties, and there was the first incident I can remember of a seven-year-old killing a four-year-old. 

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After this, he proposed a few of his own theories as to why the shootings occurred -- namely, a lack of Godlessness in schools and the tendency of liberal professors to talk about how crappy the world is without offering a solution -- but he had me at "let's not jump the gun on this guy and make him a video gamer."

 


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that1guy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:27
that1guy
Bout damn time!
LieutenantFrost's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:27
LieutenantFrost
I read about this on GamePolitics, and nearly crapped my pants. A major public figure actually defending games? FTW!
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:30
michiyoyoshiku
and unlikely Hero Emerges
Tbomb's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:35
Tbomb
Yeah! I submitted this hahaha!
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:38
BahamutZero
dude does Oxycodone; he knows what's up. I bet he loves to blast bitches in halo.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:41
Snaileb
GTFO. I HATE RUSH, but this is good. HALP!!
tazarthayoot's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:46
tazarthayoot
I can't believe that I agree with him on this one. Did anyone else feel a bit of a chill from hell?

He's still a big, fat, idiot though.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:46
BluDesign
Bahamut brings up an interesting point.

We're all wanting to rally behind Rush over this, but Rush is a pill popper. Is he the best we've got to stand behind us?

That would've been like us electing Hunter S. Thompson to the office of President of the US. Day after being sworn in, Cheney would've been shot...

What I'm saying is, while it's cool that some neo-douche can see our side of things in some regards, we do not want him on our side. We want him to respect our side and leave us alone. Completely.
Joe Burling's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:47
Joe Burling
Rush is just sick of people making excuses every time something like this happens. Hell, I am, too. Some people are just fucked up. Period. End of story.

When something happens that people can't explain, they try to fill in the gaps with the things they don't connect with. In this case, people don't understand how someone could go out and shoot 30 people, so they wonder what's different in that persons life. Video games get a bad rep because EVERYONE watches movies, but not everyone plays games. This same person is more likely to attack video games over violent movies because he/she is more likely to watch a violent movie.

The Scientologists were trying to blame drugs. Jack Thompson and Dr. Phil were trying to attack video games.

Did anyone ever just stop and think, "Wow, this dude must have been really fucked up in the head. Maybe it was a chemical inbalance in his brain. Maybe his parents fucked him up as a kid."

Could it be that video game actually reduce violence?
Cruds's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:48
Cruds
Who is that guy, did he play Archie Bunker?
OutrageousToob's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:53
OutrageousToob
I agree with him for the most part. However, I wouldn't say he's defending video games per se (at least not for the sake of the industry), he's simply acknowledging the fact that there are 54,710,458,235 factors at play here and jumping the gun saying, <I>"Oh golly gee! Thems newfangled vidya games turn lil' Timmy into a killer they can!"<I>.

He seems to genuinely realize that there are thousands of other external/internal causes and/or conflictions that could have triggered this. Hell, we've been hearing about 9/11 and Columbine for years now; though, we should never forget the past, lest we repeat it. News anchors, movie critics, authors, journalists often mention these tragic events whenever they can as a means to fill out there news cast/article, or to perhaps spark meaning where there is none. I firmly believe that the continuous mentioning of these events gradually desensitizes people; folks get sick of the constant references and they eventually stop caring.
splotki's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:54
splotki
I always knew Rush Limbaugh had a heart of gold...
Raymod's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:56
Raymod
i can safely say the Video games didn't desensitize me because i was shocked during the attacks on the world trade Centre buildings, i was shocked by the Footage coming out of Afghanistan and Iraq, then after seeing the constant flow of footage from Afghanistan and Iraq of shootings, bombings and the preperations for Beheadings that's when i became desensitized.
It's not that i didn't care about what was happening it's just that it didn't surprise me.
It just seems to be common place now.
WAR should stay in the war zone, i know the people have a right to know about what is happening but they don't need to see it on tv every day.
OutrageousToob's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:58
OutrageousToob
@ Canadian Geese

Agreed. People feel the need to find reason where there very well may be none. Some folks <B>are</B> just fucked up.
imcowman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 10:59
imcowman
@dvddesign:
being a pill-popper may not be good for you, but does it discredit someone?

@Canadian geese:
I completely agree, thats for not being lazy like me and typing it out so poetically
OutrageousToob's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:01
OutrageousToob
Wow... I messed my BBCode up right good.
Milhouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:01
Milhouse
Wow, very well said! The guy might be an idiot sometimes, but he got it straight there. Not every game is about violence and desensibilization to violence is something we should seriously look onto.
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:05
BahamutZero
Interesting that video games have been brought up so far where there is literally ZERO evidence the guy even played PONG. I mean, at least at Columbine they mentioned DOOM and the matrix in their crazy ass ramblings. It's just close to elections and this is a huge, easy distraction from real issues like (ironically) gun control and the Iraq war
tazarthayoot's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:08
tazarthayoot
Destructoid Robot for District Selectman 2008: A controller in every hand, and no caps in anyones asses!
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:11
B-Radicate
i love how the media jumps all over the topic of violence desensitization (?) when something like this happens and yet it is the same media that airs videos of horrific bombings, shootings, and beheadings almost daily. they try to point the finger at videogames and movies when they themselves play a huge roll in the consumption of violent-filled content.

if a channel like cnn or fox news doesn't want the viewing public to feel emotionally desensitized to horrific acts such as this shooting then maybe they could stop showing uncut footage of other such acts from the world over.

i blame the media well before i blame the videogame industry. there is a clearly defined line between videogame fantasy (however "real" a game may try to be, it is still fantasy) and real-world violence. watching pixelated blood squirt on my screen in gears of war is far less unnerving than seeing a limbless body being pulled out from under a building after a suicide bombing halfway around the world. which one would you see on the 5 o'clock news?
monosylabik's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:17
monosylabik
see when you dont take the oxy you actually make sense rush.

i never expected this from him. its like opposite world...is oprah going to come out tomorrow preaching the words of the devil?
Hexen525's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:25
Hexen525
I hate that man very much, but he does make sense there(a first for him imho). I am shocked he didn't just jump on the band wagon, or is it because he has his own cause to champion? Does he have something else he wants ot blame for this?
galagabug 's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:39
galagabug
whoa. intelligence. out of a conservative.

is it chilly in here?
brad drac's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 11:42
brad drac
-> dvddesign: HST getting elected US president would have been the greatest day in all of history, bar none.

I like the point limbaugh made about the iraq war. It bothers me quite a bit the way everyone seem so torn up about 33 people being shot when worse happens daily, in america's name, over in iraq. Not to say what happened wasn't tragic, but at least it was the actions of only one clearly unbalanced person.

I suspect I know why he did it though, he was pissed on account of being a really shitty play write...
Paul Soth's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 12:00
Paul Soth
Just want to say if anyone here starts throwing around rhetoric about people "defending freedom" and others (who they don't like) "taking away our freedoms," then I know we're fucked as a community.

Politics ruins everything. I just want to enjoy myself, not worry about what bumper stickers the other readers have on their car.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 12:21
Sharpless
@B-Radicate

Well, there's a slight difference between informing people of violent things that actually happen in the "real world" and someone sitting down and participating in a violent simulation. I think I understand your point, though. I can't count how many times I've watched the news and just been bombarded with murders and rapes and virtually no positive news whatsoever. It's all sensationalism.

Speaking of sensationalism, that's all that the video game issue is to most politicians and networks, especially Fox News. Video games are an easy scapegoat, the most "inferior" of the medias that depict violence in western culture. It's a good way to play to the crowd, attacking the easy target. It's good to see Rush making sense, even if it's probably only because of his stance on gun control.
dklancer02's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 12:24
dklancer02
If you would notice near the end of the transcript, you would see that he uses video games as a jumping off point to head off any claims for gun control. The man is not defending video games out of the goodness of his own heart, they are simply a means to an end for his real point.

I do have to give him credit though, he's a master of spin.
broham's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 12:35
broham
Politics ruin everything?

I always love the whole "Republican Bad, Democrat/Liberal Good" posts.

It's shocking, sometimes us crazy Conservatives can actually put forth a compelling argument. Cuz', you know, EVERYTHING that comes out of Hillary Clinton's mouth or Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnel, Al Gore, Obama, John Kerry is pure gold.


Joe Burling's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 12:41
Joe Burling
@OutrageousToob,

Messing up bbcode can have a pretty cool effect sometimes, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. Thx for the props.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 13:24
Mxyzptlk
Hell, I'd vote HST for president even if just his decomposing corpse were running for office. The never-found body of Oscar Acosta for VP too!
DryvBy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 13:27
DryvBy
I'll admit it. I like Rush, but he's no Michael Savage!!!
Wil's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 13:29
Wil
Rush is still the biggest piece of shit ever to be involved in the media in any way shape and form. That includes the actual shit that comes out of the people that work in the media and of course Bill O'Rielly. Although Bill is very close.... I'm gonna have to go with Rush on this one. Pill Popping > Sexual harassment
imcowman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 13:58
imcowman
@Wil:

are you out of your mind?
would you rather know someone pops pills, or someone that sexually harasses people??
SpiderChrist's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 14:00
SpiderChrist
"much of what we find out will be America's fault"
my sentiments exactly Rush
Anthony Burch's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 14:00
Anthony Burch
I'd have to agree with cowman on this, Wil. I'd rather befriend a drug addict than someone who suggests using a falafel as a sexual aid.
infinity's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 14:36
infinity
pretty cogent argument if i ever read one...rush limbaugh FTW, perhaps? maybe?
realyst's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 14:37
realyst
I think I just heard the fabric of space-time tearing...
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 14:47
BluDesign
Cowman,

I'd think on a lot of the shit that Rush has criticized earlier, yes, being a drug addict makes his opinion less credible.

I'd associate with neither. Drug addicts inevitably turn into leeches on you, depending on you to take care of them rather than them attempt to fix their pathetic, chemically controlled mind.

And I've never heard of a sexual deviant who breaks into people's houses to steal shit to buy their porn. Or a sex freak going to 15 doctors to get prescriptions for Viagra to keep up their habit.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 14:58
John B
Wow. I've never seen such guilt in my life.

"But ... I agree with a conservative! No, I have to save my ego! How can I do that ... Oh, yeah! I'll do what I do best and call conservatives names just because I can! He's a 'pill popper'!! It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what he said, but it makes me feel less guilty for agreeing with him! Pill popper! Pill popper!"

Maybe if you guys actually -- shock!! -- LISTENED to Rush instead of what the media tells you about him you'd understand that he's far more complex in his views than you obviously think.

Grow the f*ck up and stop seeing everything as conservative/liberal, Republican/Democrat, black/white, good/bad.
PwnDaddy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 14:59
PwnDaddy
Well, finally somone ACTUALLY looks at what causes something before laying blame. Too bad it's Rush, they guy is a douce. But seriously, I've been screaming this a while. People will eb people, and just because they listen to a certain band, or play a certain game, or watch a certain movie it doesn't mean that they are more likely to go out and kill 30 people willy nilly. It's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. A person's point of view is affected by his surrounding's, sure, but ultimately it's the person's decision to do something; nothing ever drive's anyone to do anything. As for desensitize, I frag people all day long, and when I saw this I was just depressed that this shit happens. I've seen too much of the War in Iraq, too many conspiracy theroies from 9/11, and heard too much Columbine bullshit in the past 2 days then I ever wanted to hear in a lifetime. Desensitized? I think not. Sometimes, I think that the only people who seem to care about the actions are other gamers; everyone else tries to twist something into their own ideals and goals. Selfish bastards.

/rant
Sci-fi Sushi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 15:00
Sci-fi Sushi
Yey, I agree with broham!
I am a conservative.
To put something out, I believe there are more liberals against videogaming than conservatives. Like Hillary Clinton.
KyleGamgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 15:05
KyleGamgee
I like Rush.
Everyone has an inner Truth-o-Meter. When I go to buy a car or watch the evening news or take a sales call at work, Red Flags and buzzers go off in my head like crazy. You get the idea.

When I listen to Rush, a lot of the time I don't feel like I agree with what he says, it's more like he says what I already feel.

And then of course he'll say something that sets off a buzzer and a Red Flag, 'cause I'm not mindless. I can think for myself, and no one has all the answers.
leshrac55's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 15:56
leshrac55
Even complete idiot assholes like Rush can be right sometimes. Good that someone who apparently has a lot of listeners isn't jumping on the "blame videogames" bandwagon, but just because you're wrong or lie about crap doesn't necessarily mean you're ALWAYS wrong or lie about crap. No reason to go nuts here.
Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 16:50
Oni
When I first read this this morning, my jaw hit the floor. Here is a man who I can barely tolerate listening to for longer than two minutes, practically defending the art form I love most. Rush is somebody people actually listen to, and here he is saying that this kid pro'lly had more problems than a few too many games of CS:S.

My world went topsy-turvy for awhile. I had to lay down.
CrackaSlim's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 17:25
CrackaSlim
Wow, there is something wrong when Rush fucking Limbaugh answers are the most logical. I can't wait for Fred Phelps to say it's okay to play GTA!
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 17:31
deiga-the-semivaliant
Hillary Clinton's views toward video games and the fact that I don't like her personality much makes me pray that ANYONE else but her wins the nomination.

I'm all for a female President but... next time.
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 17:32
deiga-the-semivaliant
Oop, forgot to address the post. I do that sometimes.

Yeah, I am shocked at Rush's viewpoint, but just remember that not every conservative or liberal think alike, just as the shooter at VT doesn't represent me as a Korean.
Crockpot's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 18:01
Crockpot
Go Rush!.... whoa... that felt weird...
PetiePal's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 19:06
PetiePal
Hell the kid didn't even play games. He was too antisocial. o read the two stories he wrote, Frank McBeef and Mr. Brownstone. The kid was totally molested as a child. He was also clearly mentally ill. Sad, but it's pretty obvious games had nothing to do with this.

Good for Rush to agree.
DryvBy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/18/2007 20:00
DryvBy
@everyone calling Rush a drug head

Let's just admit it, most of you are smoking mary jane or something right now (or right before logging in). Pain killers are not mind altering. Addicting, yes. Heck, if you wanna put the guy down for that and say he shouldn't be creditable, let's just discredit anything that pops up on Digg. Digg = pothead paradise. DUGG DOWN!!1
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