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Possible Red Dead Redemption woes aren't sounding good photo

These past few days, Rockstar has been talked about quite frequently, with much of the discussion surrounding the studio falling into what can only be described as the "brutally negative" threshold. By all accounts, the troubling news isn't about to stop rushing out anytime soon.

As revealed to Joystiq by undisclosed sources, the fate of Red Dead Redemption is sounding, at best, highly questionable. One source said the game "was a complete disaster for most of 2009 and previous ... it has since turned around a little bit, but there are huge problems with it still."

Another spoke of even more issues: "Red Dead has been in production for six years (mainly because of horrible management/lack of direction due to fear of disrespecting Rockstar NY) and it will never get the money back in sales it cost to create for those six years."

Finally, a third source -- specifically noted as being someone from Rockstar -- gave yet another grave testimony. "It will take 5 million sales at full price to recoup the development costs of Red Dead. The good news is they are not expecting to make money with Red Dead Redemption."

"At this point, that project is just supposed to prove that the San Diego studio can make a great quality AAA title," the source concludes. Just when I thought I couldn't be more hyped for the game, something totally unexpected like this happens. I truly hope the team is able to work through these alleged hardships and put out a great product. So much potential.

Sources: Red Dead Redemption development in trouble [Joystiq]








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nanowerx's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 06:05
nanowerx
As much as I have loathed Rockstar the past few years, I am actually looking forward to this game.

It's unfortunate that GTA4 was boring and Max Payne 3 looks like Far Cry 3, though.
Jay Me's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 06:10
Jay Me
Noooooooooooooooooooo.......oooooooo!!!!

If this game has been affected in any way then there's going to be murders.
HoodedMiracle's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 06:25
HoodedMiracle
The lawless West...

Wait, no, that's the game.

Uncool, Rockstar.
Roek's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 06:26
Roek
Hope it still comes out and hope it's still a relatively polished project... It was looking to be one of my most hyped games of 2010.
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 06:29
RonBurgandy2010
This game comes out the day before my bday.

I hope it's worth it.
MCChampaignMillionaire's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 06:55
MCChampaignMillionaire
OMFG I pray to god that this game does not suck
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 06:58
Maurice Tan
Still want it! Hopefully the problems mean that it's not mainstream enough and that it's made for total Western buffs. Fine with me :D
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 07:02
Chronic Logic
Rockstar should stick to what they know best, moar GTA please, or clones of it at least.
Sir playedallot's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 07:03
Sir playedallot
shootn me some fine redskins trophys, yehaa
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 07:26
Murumasa123
Honestly this is my most hyped game of 2010. Really hope this doesn't effect the quality, the whole wide open west with loads of stuff to do in between towns looks utterly superb.
@Chronic Logic
This IS what they know best Red Dead but in the style of GTA.
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 07:28
Sean Carey
Did not want to hear this -- my most anticipated title of next year. :(
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 07:39
wanderingpixel
They've spent too much money not to release it. Canceling this game at such a late state of development would be worse then not releasing it at all.
Coltronathon5000's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 07:43
Coltronathon5000
whaaat really? the game looks amazing though
Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 07:45
Drakengard
Ouch. I imagine the CEO of Rockstar is popping aspirin like candy over this one. Six years? That's longer than the Zelda game that Nintendo's working on right now has been in development which is 5 years. Holy crap...

Its certainly bad news all around. Just how a manager could mishandle themselves for that long without anyone stepping in and firing his ass is beyond me [multiple bad managers, then???].

Take note people, this is how solvent companies can get themselves into financial trouble. It just takes one game to really mess with the balance sheet for the whole house of cards to fall down, not that Rockstar is a house of cards, not yet anyway.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 07:51
Airbr1dge
At least it's not anouther gta.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 08:01
Black Nexus
5 million, this better be one hell of a game, and its not by the sound of things.
grasslunatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 08:10
grasslunatic
6 years? It better not suck.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 08:16
KwikPwn
The trailers I saw for Red Dead were AMAZING, with some of the best visuals I've ever seen.

I wonder if this is clever way to get the hype train going for a rockstar game that isn't gta.

Otherwise, someone needs to go to rockstar ny and smack them bitches up.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 08:22
Xzyliac
No, no, shut up, shit the fuck up!

I need my bliss. Give me back ny bliss!

*craddles in a fetal position* It's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. I'll play the game. Yeah. And it'll be awesome. Life is bliss. Life is hope. Life is...
TheTruth's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 08:23
TheTruth
If those last trailer showing gameplay were any indication, yeah, the game looks like shit. Never understood the people excited by that trailer.
We'll see, it was an early trailer...of ten minutes of gameplay. That stuttered, had the stiffest animations since the last gen in games and graphics on par with GTAIV, which in HD did not look good.
And before some blind lover of westerns says all I did was list visuals, that's because it was visual. I haven't played it. And judging it on what was shown, that sure would match up and give credibility to what these "unnamed sources" are claiming is going on. It looks on track to being a mess at this point.
Skribble's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 08:42
Skribble
@TheTruth: Good job on neglecting all of the gameplay, character and story elements that were described by the narrator and displayed in footage. Did you even listen to what the guy was saying? Because it describes quite a huge chunk of what the game is and the style its going for.

If you actually think the animations are stiff and the graphics are bad, then you can go troll somewhere else. It uses the Euphoria engine, you know, the program that blends character animation with the most realistic IK physics in the industry? Meh, I cant be bothered arguing with you. You are obviously finding things to complain about.
JynxShot's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 08:52
JynxShot
I'm worried by this news but it sounds like it's largely sales-related. What are those "huge problems" that still linger?

No, it sure as shit won't outsell GTA, even with the marketing push R* has begun. I think it will still be a triple-A title, it still has the GTA team and they know what they're doing.

I'm still buying a copy. Even if it's just Okay, I'll likely still enjoy it. At the very worst the game will be bad and then poor sales will dictate we won't see another. I don't think it will get that far.
Sotanaht's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 09:01
Sotanaht
Since I've yet to play a great game from NY Rockstar, I don't find this disconcerting in the least.
deaddays's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 10:06
deaddays
This is bad news. I look forward to Rockstar releases more than any other developer out there. I know I can always expect a polished, entertaining product.

If the quality control at Rockstar is starting to dip, I don't know WHAT I can believe in anymore. *kicks rock*
Lysergio's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 10:13
Lysergio
@Skribble
Don't waste your breath on the obviously blind troll trying to drum up hate. If he can't see how incredible the animation and graphics alone are shaping up, then there must be a wiring problem in said troll's brain.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 10:24
Sexualchocolate
Yuo, should have made a fucking wii game about cute animals or some kind of quiz/brain training game.

This industry is fucked.
Lysergio's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 10:30
Lysergio
@Sexualchocolate
Yeah, like maybe just a blacksmithing horseshoe mini game collection.
Scalping and whore slappin waggle!
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 10:46
Shadowiii
That is a fantastically appropriate header picture.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 10:49
DaedHead8
This sure came out of left field, I hope the game still turns out well.
Ghost125's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 10:50
Ghost125
shit i was afraid of this, now it have come true.....
BS3 Owner's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 10:54
BS3 Owner
Hey, Rockstar San Diego. Give Lysergio a lead creative job for this title!
He'll definitely give it the AAA touch it needs. He's a genius.
Grandmas Boy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 11:05
Grandmas Boy
Rockstar, don't you dare fuck this one up.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 11:15
Rockvillian
Wow for once I was interested in a Rockstar title. Hope they pull through, I know plenty people who are excited for this.
Tiauguinho's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 11:17
Tiauguinho
For me 2010 has too games I'm looking for: Mass Effect 2 and Red Dead Redemption.

Please Rockstar San Diego, do not disappoint!
John Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 11:45
John Johnson
Wait, but what do we the consumers really care about whether or not this game makes a profit, so long as it's good?
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 12:47
king kong five
@John Johnson

I think the implication here is that it won't make a profit because it's not good.
Lysergio's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 12:55
Lysergio
@king kong five.
Wrong. If you read the article, yes it says it has problems, but the issue is the time/money management deal. They spent too much time on it and are worried about recouping that and of course, Step #3: PROFIT.
I will buy TWO copies if it helps!
moreno's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 13:11
moreno
wow. just watched some videos of this game. looks awesome.
widowhams's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 13:28
widowhams
god i hope they dont fuck it up this game has so much potential
skittlesareyum47's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 14:02
skittlesareyum47
if these fuckers cancel this game i will fucking go on a rampage!!!... verbal rampage *ehem* No but seriously this looks amazing they can't cut it!.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 17:12
Syn
hmm...I almost hope all of Rockstar's endeavors flop now because you absolutely cannot treat your employees like dirt. That's NOT OK, Rockstar!
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2010 20:04
B-Radicate
Note to Rockstar: I would buy this game if it were a slideshow of the previously released screenshots if that's what it took for it to see release. Take that for what you will.
Flamma Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2010 13:39
Flamma Man
It's obvious they aren't going to cancel the thing, look at all the wasted resources. However, I do believe the quality of the game's going to dip a little.

Either way, they're going to loss a lot of money if this game isn't above half decent.
The Amazing Shenazin's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2010 00:57
The Amazing Shenazin
this is one of my most anticipated games :(
mi55ter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2010 06:42
mi55ter
This was one of my most anticipated titles too. Sounds like I might wait for the reviews first before I buy it, too...
charizard del chainsaw's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 20:25
charizard del chainsaw
no no no no.

i have been getting so stoked over this game for the past couple months.

PLEASERULEPLEASERULEPLEASERULE <crosses fingers>
systemaddict's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/24/2010 02:18
systemaddict
I realize this is needlessly bumping -- but I found this link pretty easily when just doing a cursory search for Red Dead.

SO - it's fair to say at least that these concerns were all for naught. Game is awesome.
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